Recommitted Zach Merrett [UFA 2027] - Wanted a trade to Hawthorn, but it didn't get done

[Lore]

There we go, that's the clip:

 

[TheFourPillars]

No actually.

The statement was made (by a hwks supporter) that Hawks don't throw players out of the club who don't want to leave. Which is a factually incorrect statement as someone mentioned Burton, who didn't want to leave the Hawks when you traded him.

You than, true to hawthorn supporters form in this thread, providing a coping mechanism why you traded him.

Irrespective though, the original statement is still incorrect. Hawthorn do indeed trade players who want to be there.

Its not a coping mechanism. What am I coping with? the Merrett trade. If so, I have well and truly moved on. you're right I just saw Burton's name being thrown up and gave you a reason as to why he was moved on.

 

[boncer34]

Its not a coping mechanism. What am I coping with? the Merrett trade. If so, I have well and truly moved on. you're right I just saw Burton's name being thrown up and gave you a reason as to why he was moved on.

The reason is irrelevant to the conjecture that Hawthorn dont trade players who want to be at Hawthorn though isn't it?

 

[TheFourPillars]

The reason is irrelevant to the conjecture that Hawthorn dont trade players who want to be at Hawthorn though isn't it?

I think Rob Mcartney came out and said exactly that this group of players are not going to be asked to be traded by the club as they are tight knit group and they set their own standards, goals and expectations.

 

[boncer34]

I think Rob Mcartney came out and said exactly that this group of players are not going to be asked to be traded by the club as they are tight knit group and they set their own standards, goals and expectations.

That didnt answer my question

 

[TheFourPillars]

That didnt answer my question

What happened in the past with players is irrelevant with what Rob has said.

 

[boncer34]

What happened in the past with players is irrelevant with what Rob has said.

Not for the conversation you inserted yourself into.

Here, I'll even prepare your part for you,

"Yes we have traded players against their will in the past and it was silly of my fellow Hawks poster to state we dont do that."

 

[jannissary]

What happened in the past with players is irrelevant with what Rob has said.

pure, raw cope here. keep back stepping

 

[Dazza the Viking]

Is this thread still going

 

[TheFourPillars]

Not for the conversation you inserted yourself into.

Here, I'll even prepare your part for you,

"Yes we have traded players against their will in the past and it was silly of my fellow Hawks poster to state we dont do that."

Yes that is true. As i said i didnt see the context

 

[TheFourPillars]

pure, raw cope here. keep back stepping

There is no cope what i just wrote is the truth. Anyways leave u guys to it have fun

 

[hawkman]

The reason is irrelevant to the conjecture that Hawthorn dont trade players who want to be at Hawthorn though isn't it?

Under this coach? Or are we going back 7 years under Clarkson?

 

[Proper Gander]

Ryan Burton was a bit up himself. Did not get along with the playing group.

How many ITKs got that one out there?

 

[HairyO]

Weddle will take a pay cut yo avoid going to essendon

Lore said Essendon will finish 10th in 2026 with Merrett staying. Finals in 2027. Weddle will be 23 then and Merrett will be in his final year of the current contract.

Nothing but blue sky from now on.

 

[Proper Gander]

Lore said Essendon will finish 10th in 2026 with Merrett staying. Finals in 2027. Weddle will be 23 then and Merrett will be in his final year of the current contract.

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Where?

 

[ReturningHawk]

There persists some kind of narrative that the Hawks were consistently low-balling the bombers and undervaluing Zach throughout this process and didn’t stump up enough. When you look at the final offer, it’s as large an offer as we’ve seen in recent years. Can’t think of many trades in recent years that wouldn’t get done for picks 10, 22, F1, F2 and a player.

Equally, the notion that the Dons were somehow obliged to accept any offer is completely flawed. They didn’t want to lose Zach, and so that’s why we are where we are.

The blame lies with Petroro. He’s the one that tried to arrange a trade for a club captain inside 3 weeks. It’s his job to foster dialogue, make sure both parties negotiate in good faith etc. There was zero good will, neither side had a read on the situation, and in the end a lot of energy was expended for nothing.

 

[leighmo]

There persists some kind of narrative that the Hawks were consistently low-balling the bombers and undervaluing Zach throughout this process and didn’t stump up enough. When you look at the final offer, it’s as large an offer as we’ve seen in recent years. Can’t think of many trades in recent years that wouldn’t get done for picks 10, 22, F1, F2 and a player.

Equally, the notion that the Dons were somehow obliged to accept any offer is completely flawed. They didn’t want to lose Zach, and so that’s why we are where we are.

The blame lies with Petroro. He’s the one that tried to arrange a trade for a club captain inside 3 weeks. It’s his job to foster dialogue, make sure both parties negotiate in good faith etc. There was zero good will, neither side had a read on the situation, and in the end a lot of energy was expended for nothing.

This glosses over the bizarre tactics used by the Hawk’s recruiting team.

• Not making an offer until late on the second last day.
• Including HH without any prior discussions, and with him not even in Melbourne and available for a medical.
• Including an ultimatum on their first round pick.
• Trading out that pick one position higher just to include pick 22 (a pick which Essendon would not be interested in at all).

Clearly Hawks did not go into these discussions in good faith and were stonewalled by Essendon, and rightly so I think.

 

[Duckworth]

The blame lies with Petroro. He’s the one that tried to arrange a trade for a club captain inside 3 weeks. It’s his job to foster dialogue, make sure both parties negotiate in good faith etc. There was zero good will, neither side had a read on the situation, and in the end a lot of energy was expended for nothing.

sounds like my posting in here.

 

[HairyO]

This glosses over the bizarre tactics used by the Hawk’s recruiting team.

• Not making an offer until late on the second last day.
• Including HH without any prior discussions, and with him not even in Melbourne and available for a medical.
• Including an ultimatum on their first round pick.
• Trading out that pick one position higher just to include pick 22 (a pick which Essendon would not be interested in at all).

Clearly Hawks did not go into these discussions in good faith and were stonewalled by Essendon, and rightly so I think.

Why would we make an offer before Merrett requested a trade?
He told Essendon he wanted out, then we made an offer.

HH's name was added because Essendon had already asked about him.

We had other plans we were trying to make. Having a deadline makes sense.

The trade for 10 and 22 was because Essendon wanted to have a go at pick 1 from WCE.

 

[Skipper_]

Why would we make an offer before Merrett requested a trade?
He told Essendon he wanted out, then we made an offer.

HH's name was added because Essendon had already asked about him.

We had other plans we were trying to make. Having a deadline makes sense.

The trade for 10 and 22 was because Essendon wanted to have a go at pick 1 from WCE.

Sounds like Petroro is the guy you should be most annoyed with.

IMO he comes out of the situation looking far worse than both Essendon and Hawthorn.

 

[ReturningHawk]

This glosses over the bizarre tactics used by the Hawk’s recruiting team.

• Not making an offer until late on the second last day.

Made an offer at the moment they had confirmation from Zach and Tom.

• Including HH without any prior discussions, and with him not even in Melbourne and available for a medical.

HH was in Melbourne. You’re thinking of Lewis.

• Including an ultimatum on their first round pick.

A deadline is not an ultimatum. We stated that pick 9 would be traded unless we had confirmation that the Dons wanted it. That was all true, we traded away that pick the following morning.

• Trading out that pick one position higher just to include pick 22 (a pick which Essendon would not be interested in at all).

It wasn’t a direct swap. We gave extra picks to get 10&22.

Clearly Hawks did not go into these discussions in good faith and were stonewalled by Essendon, and rightly so I think.

Hawthorn clearly followed Petroro’s advice about what would get the deal done. Tom was wrong. I know you really want to blame Hawthorn but they made a reasonable offer that Essendon could’ve accepted. They didn’t want to.

 

[bluespooner]

talk about alcatraz!

I'm concerned about Merrett's mental health.

 

[randyzany]

don't know why you're trying to present troll remarks as factual statements, but that doesn't particularly matter in the case of this trade. hawthorn tabled their first offer at the "final-ish" moment in the trade cycle for zach, including a player we had no real interest in beyond "rumours" from the same "ITKs" that said merrett was going to hawthorn.

we saw a successful trade this period between sydney and carlton wherein will hayward was treated as a bargaining chip successfully. players have plenty of autonomy, and clubs can push the screws in to get a deal done. it's laziness on behalf of hawthorn.

why would we exactly do this, since welsh, vozzo, scott, rosa and every other plodder under the sun at the club with a modicum of power said he's not being traded. why would the club do hawthorn's job for them since we, again, consistently held the perspective that he was not going anywhere. at no stage has the club (<-- very important here) stated otherwise, and would not entertain offers.

why does getting a "blessing" from hawthorn matter when it's clear that they don't really give a shit about contracts and the like already? why pussyfoot around when we're not interested?

why? did essendon do anything except stick by the clubs word of "we won't trade him". such an illogical and remarkably stupid remark.

you've typed a lot here, good work! but it's a whole steaming pile of shit that is essentially blaming essendon for hawthorn being lazy campaigners, and how it wasn't being fair when essendon categorically stood by it's word of "not trading zach merrett"

Blessing as in Hawthorn has already indicated they are willing to part with that player in order to complete the trade so as to expedite the fishing expedition process. I realise clubs can talk to any player they want whenever they want but we’re talking specifically about Essendon being satisfied with the quality of the player included in this trade with Hawthorn and the best way to do that is by discussing it well beforehand.

But if all Essendon wanted to do was waste time and screw Hawthorn by preventing them from trading for any other player then I guess they succeeded. A bit too much of a pyrrhic victory in my opinion but Essendon will do Essendon things I suppose.

The point is that it was idiotic to expect Hawthorn to hurt themselves over this trade and to stoop to the incompetence the Bombers are renowned for.

Recent past history shows that Hawthorn do not operate that way. If Essendon had people with a modicum of intelligence running the club, they should have had the foresight to realise that Hawthorn would not play their silly games that would undermine Hawthorn’s relationship with their players. Only moronically run clubs would fall for that.

The AFL isn’t the NBA where players are constantly traded without their approval. If a club wants another one to trade one of their required key players then that club has to at the VERY LEAST make the effort to reach out to a player (after Hawthorn had confirmed it’s one of the players their willing to part with and include in a trade) that tickles their fancy and present a convincing case to move. That’s not stupidity, that’s just common sense and how well run clubs operate.

Hawthorn need to give Essendon a blessing to talk to their contracted players?

Essendon never wanted to be part of the trade. Why did they have to talk to anyone at all?

The stupidity of what you just wrote will haunt me for the rest of my days

Stop lying, if you were haunted by stupidity you would’ve already been rendered catatonic by your occasionally broken Shift Key and in particular your acceptance of the truly frightening display of stupidity by the Bombers admin for about 2 decades, which this failed trade is the latest example of. You seem to have it backwards, you appear to thrive on stupidity like a pig in shit as evidenced by your strenuous vigorous defence of the incompetence of those running Essendon.

Blessing as in Hawthorn has already indicated they are willing to part with that player in order to complete the trade so as to expedite the fishing expedition process. I realise clubs can talk to any player they want whenever they want but we’re talking specifically about Essendon being satisfied with the quality of the player included in this trade with Hawthorn and the best way to do that is by discussing it well beforehand.

But if all Essendon wanted to do was waste time and screw Hawthorn by preventing them from trading for any other player then I guess they succeeded. A bit too much of a pyrrhic victory in my opinion but Essendon will do Essendon things I suppose.

Essendon should've given a list to minimise disruption to Hawthorn's culture?

I can't even begin to describe the stupidty of this.

If that’s your interpretation of my post then you’re definitely the one with a lack of critical thinking skills.

It’s not about ‘minimising disruption’ of another club’s culture, the point is that it was idiotic to expect Hawthorn to hurt themselves over this trade and to stoop to the incompetence the Bombers are renowned for.

Recent past history shows that Hawthorn do not operate that way. If Essendon had people with a modicum of intelligence running the club, they should have had the foresight to realise that Hawthorn would not play their silly games that would undermine Hawthorn’s relationship with their players. Only moronically run clubs would fall for that.

The AFL isn’t the NBA where players are constantly traded without their approval. If a club wants another one to trade one of their required key players then that club has to at the VERY LEAST make the effort to reach out to a player (after Hawthorn had confirmed it’s one of the players their willing to part with and include in a trade) that tickles their fancy and present a convincing case to move. That’s not stupidity, that’s just common sense and how well run clubs operate.

the concept of meeting the terms of a contract as "holding someone against their will" is pretty funny.

I should take that approach with the bank and see if those dastardly pricks will hold me to my mortgage against my will. It's just not fair!

In an ideal world that’s how things should play out, with players honouring and seeing out their contracts. But in the real world pro athletes can change their minds for all sorts of reasons. Some are petty and selfish like say Tim Kelly and GAJ.

Both of those individuals left Geelong basically for being selfish narcissistic greedy like Karmichael Hunts and not because they had had a falling out with anyone at the club.

Irrespective of GAJ fans saying Bomba was being a big meanie to him and blame it all on him for GAJ leaving. The truth is Bomba knew GAJ had already signed a contract with the GC in December 2009 and couldn’t stomach his lying arse and treating Geelong supporters as idiots, hence his iciness towards GAJ in the last few months at the club.

GAJ just baselessly felt that Geelong had screwed him over when signed a 5 year deal in 2005, a deal he was over the moon at the time he signed it. But when he made huge strides in 2007 he felt cheated and demanded a bump to his contract, which couldn’t be done as all his other teammates also deserved to get paid as well, leaving no room in the salary cap for pay rises to any player that had signed years prior.

GAJ saw that as an excuse (it wasn’t, it was the truth) and decided to get what he felt he deserved and Geelong was ‘keeping’ from him via the new franchises and the rest as they say is history.

With Kelly it was obvious that he had made a lucrative and illegal draft circumventing and tampering agreement with the Weagles (explains his refusal to play for Fremantle at any stage of negotiations and made a mockery of his claims that his family needed to be back for the sake of the children) and why he continued to thrive and play great footy in his second season at Geelong after his request to be traded to the Weagles after just playing 10 games for Geelong was denied.

His partner had also something to do with it, she desperately desired to be a relevant famewhoring WAG in a location she had families and friends in, and could use the footy fame of her husband to her advantage.

Others leave for their own personal private reasons such as Allen Christensen who was right in his prime when he decided he wanted out of Geelong and the club accommodated his wishes without too much fuss.

But then there are others like Merrett that have nothing to do with the love of lucre but everything with wanting to leave a mediocre situation that they’ve tolerated for years and can’t stand anymore.

In these instances it is foolish to keep these types of players around as a club runs the risk of creating a toxic environment among the playing group by forcing a player that has made it clear that he no longer wishes to be there.

Essendon acting as if they had all the leverage in this situation and not being painfully aware of the damage they’re doing to their playing group by behaving in this manner goes a long way in explaining why the Bombers haven’t done anything for about 20 years, and that’s not a ‘troll’ that’s just facts.

A large part of the reason why Geelong has been successful is that they recognize their players are human beings and not pieces of meat to bartered with to improve the playing list.

Players all over the AFL have become well aware of Geelong’s respectful treatment of their players and unsurprisingly that has resulted in Geelong being the club more players at rival clubs make enquiries about to their managers to find out whether there’s mutual interest and a potential pathway to facilitate a move to Geelong.

I get that Essendon wanted to spoil Hawthorn’s chances of winning Premierships in the upcoming years but I don’t think Merrett moves the needle enough for them to do so.

The Hawks’ offer would have stripped them of a lot of substantial draft capital in the upcoming years and more or less remove them from the trading table for any of the future star free agents in the upcoming trade periods.

Regardless of what Essendon fans say, the trade offer was more than generous and all those Hawthorn picks could have aided in fast forwarding the process of building a Premiership list.

Assuming they’re used correctly of course and I guess that's the issue at the end of the day as Essendon has not shown the ability to do just that for many years.

 

[Yoda_]

This glosses over the bizarre tactics used by the Hawk’s recruiting team.

• Not making an offer until late on the second last day.
• Including HH without any prior discussions, and with him not even in Melbourne and available for a medical.
• Including an ultimatum on their first round pick.
• Trading out that pick one position higher just to include pick 22 (a pick which Essendon would not be interested in at all).

Clearly Hawks did not go into these discussions in good faith and were stonewalled by Essendon, and rightly so I think.

I have often thought that if Hawthorn were more mature about things this deal may very well have gotten done.

Reports state that HH was never the needle mover, literally would have been steak knives. How arrogant Hawthorn were is what denied this ever being done imho

 

[Yoda_]

I wont quote your whole mid paper double spread randyzany but you called out Tim Kelly

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Tim Kelly

Age

31

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

23.6

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

10.1

5star

M

3.4

3star

T

4.0

5star

CL

4.9

5star

D

19.9

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.7

5star

CL

3.6

4star

D

21.6

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

11.2

5star

M

2.8

3star

T

3.8

5star

CL

3.8

5star

and GAJ for being narccistic and greedy. I think this lands fairly and squarely on the shoulders of Tom Petroro.

HE (Tom) has re negotiated Zac's deal a number of times, even as late as last year to get more money. It seems now that back end, shrinking money is gone, he (Petroro) angled for a move behind EFC's back.

That is as bad faith as one can imagine.

 

[Lore]

?

Where?

I imagine they’re referring to this post:

Recommitted - Zach Merrett [UFA 2027] - Wanted a trade to Hawthorn, but it didn't get done

There we go, that's the clip:

www.bigfooty.com

They’ve conveniently omitted the part about “if we don’t get whacked by injuries again” though.