Speculation Zach Merrett

[Snuffaluphagus]

Not even sure Dodo was as bad as Welsh, and Welsh is deadset hopeless.

Hopeless feels like best case scenario, he's out of his depth with an ego to do serious damage. Trading Merrett should be no one's call but the list manager and coach

 

[Hawks_Footy]

Saw that but doesn’t change anything?

If you don’t want/need him why not just move on since you’re challenging for a flag?

There was plenty of talk on here from hawks side that a deal had been agreed in principle and Welsh made a captains call to say no.. Dons supporters on here called bull dust on it and that they never would've agreed.. based on what Scott said tonight that doesn't add up

 

[jdisc]

How will this affect Scott Pendlebury

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Scott Pendlebury

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26.5

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13.2

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13.3

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25.1

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12.3

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12.9

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3.4

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3.6

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12.4

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2.6

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's legacy?

 

[HairyO]

Congrats on you and your personal decision making skills in choosing/being allocated Hawthorn at a younger age so that footy is more enjoyable for you to follow than us. Well done.

My family were Essendon since football began. My dad broke my grandfather's heart when he swapped to Hawthorn.

One brother joined him and the other brother took the oppoetunity to go Carlton.

My sister is North Melbourne.

It can be done. Especislly when the club decides internal politics are more important than anything else.

Mind you, the media are desperately pushing for Hird. So maybe he is the right choice.

 

[cAsEy_18]

There was plenty of talk on here from hawks side that a deal had been agreed in principle and Welsh made a captains call to say no.. Dons supporters on here called bull dust on it and that they never would've agreed.. based on what Scott said tonight that doesn't add up

No they didn't.

I get you're going to be biased towards Hawthorn, but you don't need to absolutely make stuff up.

Majority of dons fans are of the belief that Scott and Rosa would have traded Merrett for the right deal, but Welsh came in over the top and basically said "not under any circumstances".

Also true is that Hawthorn can claim to have put forward a competitive offer, which to the neutral might appear that way, but didn't factor in what Essendon wanted and more importantly, could find useful. And "reasonably fair" offer wasn't going to be enough to pry the contracted captain of a direct rival away. Our mate Blind Freddy could tell you it was always going to require overs.

 

[KanesBurner]

There was plenty of talk on here from hawks side that a deal had been agreed in principle and Welsh made a captains call to say no.. Dons supporters on here called bull dust on it and that they never would've agreed.. based on what Scott said tonight that doesn't add up

Prior to today this thread has been going nuts so it’s not limited to any Brad Scott related stuff.

Just wondering why Hawks fans are soo invested in someone soo many claiming they don’t need and their draft picks are elite.

Why not be happy and not bother? Gives jilted lover energy lol. Unless it’s all just trolling in which case play on, just wondering if there was something I’d missed.

 

[Hawks_Footy]

No they didn't.

I get you're going to be biased towards Hawthorn, but you don't need to absolutely make stuff up.

Majority of dons fans are of the belief that Scott and Rosa would have traded Merrett for the right deal, but Welsh came in over the top and basically said "not under any circumstances".

Also true is that Hawthorn can claim to have put forward a competitive offer, which to the neutral might appear that way, but didn't factor in what Essendon wanted and more importantly, could find useful. And "reasonably fair" offer wasn't going to be enough to pry the contracted captain of a direct rival away. Our mate Blind Freddy could tell you it was always going to require overs.

You can agree to disagree but don't accuse me of making things up.. Dons fans on here believed it was an unacceptable deal and wouldn't have been agreed.. clearly based on tonight Brad had agreed on the deal

 

[Red4]

Welsh was never going to tick it off anyway, what is the point of dragging it out more than necessary. We came with a fair offer and it was rejected. That’s fine, but blaming Hawthorn when Bombers didn’t even engage is crazy. I actually think Rosa would’ve gone for the counter but the big man upstairs has too much ego

This has been basically verified by the coach as of yesterday. Nice one Bombers!

 

[triple treat]

See getting enjoyment out of someone else's just constant "this isn't fun" is a really poor personality trait.

Bit of friendly banter, spirited rivalry etc.. is all good, bit of fun and games. Genuinely enjoying seeing people down, regardless of context (and I appreciate that this is not unique to you, you're just signing up to be a part of the group) is... well, says a bit about you.

Thank you

 

[all seeing eye]

A year late and slightly devalued but definite goneski at years end.

 

[Yoda_]

Hopeless feels like best case scenario, he's out of his depth with an ego to do serious damage. Trading Merrett should be no one's call but the list manager and coach

Boards often get involved. I know it's not the sexy thing but Brad Crouch sought a move to Gold in 2019 but Adelaide vetoed the move. Apparently the Melbourne board vetoed the Harrison Petty move in 2023. When it does effect a clubs commercial business the board does get involved.

Hawks nuffies just want to hate on Essendon,

 

[QuietB]

100% agreed

we lack leadership, would be nice to have some on field of substance

Or off field

 

[Philhawk]

Boards often get involved. I know it's not the sexy thing but Brad Crouch sought a move to Gold in 2019 but Adelaide vetoed the move. Apparently the Melbourne board vetoed the Harrison Petty move in 2023. When it does effect a clubs commercial business the board does get involved.

Hawks nuffies just want to hate on Essendon,

Sorry, it should have been clearer.

Competent teams don’t have boards overrule the list management team.

 

[Yoda_]

Prior to today this thread has been going nuts so it’s not limited to any Brad Scott related stuff.

Just wondering why Hawks fans are soo invested in someone soo many claiming they don’t need and their draft picks are elite.

Why not be happy and not bother? Gives jilted lover energy lol. Unless it’s all just trolling in which case play on, just wondering if there was something I’d missed.

its the "gotcha" moment of immaturity that BigFooty has evolved into, the diclk measuring of clubs, its not for debate anymore, or education but genuine shithousery

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Boards often get involved. I know it's not the sexy thing but Brad Crouch sought a move to Gold in 2019 but Adelaide vetoed the move. Apparently the Melbourne board vetoed the Harrison Petty move in 2023. When it does effect a clubs commercial business the board does get involved.

Hawks nuffies just want to hate on Essendon,

If it happens consistently, I'm pretty steadfast its wrong. A board does not have the knowledge or expertise to overrule the people they've hired to lead the club. It is not how you build a successful environment and both those examples you gave just seem to emphasis a board should stay out of it.

 

[Yoda_]

Sorry, it should have been clearer.

Competent teams don’t have boards overrule the list management team.

all clubs have trade blunders, some go through, some dont. That's the nature of sport

 

[HeHateMe]

If it happens consistently, I'm pretty steadfast its wrong. A board does not have the knowledge or expertise to overrule the people they've hired to lead the club. It is not how you build a successful environment and both those examples you gave just seem to emphasis a board should stay out of it.

This.

I mentioned it last year but fell on deaf ears.

Board/governance is the What and Why, where the Footy Department/Technical is the How.

So the board absolutely has a right to to say No we are not trading Merrett, the What, due to the strategy, the Why.

But if they decided it's okay for Merrett to be traded it's over to the footy department to figure out the 'How' it happens.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

This.

I mentioned it last year but fell on deaf ears.

Board/governance is the What and Why, where the Footy Department/Technical is the How.

So the board absolutely has a right to to say No we are not trading Merrett, the What, due to the strategy, the Why.

But if they decided it's okay for Merrett to be traded it's over to the footy department to figure out the 'How' it happens.

I dont strictly agree with this, feels like we have slightly different positions. The board should have no right to say we arent trading Merrett. The board agree's on what is the strategy is and why and holds leadership accountable against KPIs for the strategy. Yes, the how is entirely with the footy department and the board should have no right to control list management or how a coach coaches in any way.

If they dont think the footy department is working towards the agreed strategy then they can fire the footy department and hold themselves accountable for the results.

 

[HeHateMe]

I dont strictly agree with this, feels like we have slightly different positions. The board should have no right to say we arent trading Merrett. The board agree's on what is the strategy is and why and holds leadership accountable against KPIs for the strategy. Yes, the how is entirely with the footy department and the board should have no right to control list management or how a coach coaches in any way.

If they dont think the footy department is working towards the agreed strategy then they can fire the footy department and hold themselves accountable for the results.

Merrett was the captain at the time that's why I think it's okay because it has some bearing on the commercial side. But you made me reflect and I wouldn't be happy if my clubs board stepped in that way, so your view is probably correct on how it should be.

 

[cAsEy_18]

You can agree to disagree but don't accuse me of making things up.. Dons fans on here believed it was an unacceptable deal and wouldn't have been agreed.. clearly based on tonight Brad had agreed on the deal

Well, you’re making stuff up.

 

[Philhawk]

He’s gonna stay.

This time it’ll be different under Hirdy

 

[hawkman]

Boards often get involved. I know it's not the sexy thing but Brad Crouch sought a move to Gold in 2019 but Adelaide vetoed the move. Apparently the Melbourne board vetoed the Harrison Petty move in 2023. When it does effect a clubs commercial business the board does get involved.

Hawks nuffies just want to hate on Essendon,

Not a great record of boards getting involved there. Maybe they should stay out of it

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He's being far more diplomatic then he needs to be. Said elsewhere but feels like they finally managed to cut out some of the cancer in Dodo and got a brand new one in Welsh

Its ironic that essendon think they can improve with guys like welsh and Solomon. With all due respect the whole problem at essendon has been culture for a very long time and its why they dont win things. While welsh and Solomon might be nice guys (as is sheedy and I can say this having met him) if essendon really want to improve they need to get all the 'past essendon people' ,and get them as far away from the club as possible and bring in coaches, board members and commercial staff who have no essendon bias at all and a fresh set of eyes. But I doubt that will happen.

 

[craffles]

I can't see Welsh being all good with a first and a second for him after wanting 4x firsts last year.

Would make him look like an absolute clown.

Welsh didn’t want 4 firsts, he consistently said Merrett would not be traded and that’s what happened.

Also let’s not go back the merry go round of last year where hawthorn kept trying to claim shitty picks in the 20s as having the same value as top 10 picks and the superstar hustwaite thrown in who cant even get a game in the seniors this year.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Welsh didn’t want 4 firsts, he consistently said Merrett would not be traded and that’s what happened.

Yes, that’s why Rosa and his team sat there at Marvel having discussions with Hawthorn and Petroro. How do you guys swallow this rubbish?

And also why Essendon said they wanted 3x firsts, which Hawthorn then offered… only for Welsh to say, nah make it 4 first rounders.

Essendon wanted Huss, and he was the only Hawk willing to leave the nest for opportunity. Stop making out like Hawthorn forced him on you.