Booing of Adam Goodes (revisited after our Apology Ceremony)
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Agreed, the footy world needs to move on and get the pies back on the winners list.
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That's the thing, no-one seems to know what they are booing about but apparently it is some style of play issue. It's just posthumous reasoning to justify something pretty ugly in my view against someone who everyone who knows him says is a terrific guy.
Even bracketing the question of race for a minute, if any player was being piled upon like he has been I'd be saying that's enough. It looks very much to me like bullying and that's something I can't abide. People can make their own minds up but I find it pretty pathetic to be raising this action to some high-principle.
Nova Peris is one of my all time fav politicians who forever changed the meaning of Tim Tam.
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Are your feelings genuinely hurt by that dance?
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Interesting article
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-28/booing-of-goodes-wouldnt-happen-in-nt-says-aflnt-chief/6654276
Mr Frawley told ABC Local Radio he was preparing a submission to the AFL requesting that a Sydney Swans game be scheduled in the Northern Territory next year.
"We don't have that here in the NTFL," Mr Frawley said.
"It stands out for the rest of Australia as a model here that racial things are not tolerated, around the NTFL or any league around the Northern Territory."
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-07-28/booing-of-goodes-wouldnt-happen-in-nt-says-aflnt-chief/6654276
Mr Frawley told ABC Local Radio he was preparing a submission to the AFL requesting that a Sydney Swans game be scheduled in the Northern Territory next year.
"We don't have that here in the NTFL," Mr Frawley said.
"It stands out for the rest of Australia as a model here that racial things are not tolerated, around the NTFL or any league around the Northern Territory."
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Are Adam's?
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Yes I believe they are. Correct me if I'm wrong though
I meant you are defaulting back to "you're all racists and posts of similar ilk" not you are "making racist remarks".
I showed you what I meant in that last post, ie calling someone or implying someone are racist is a taunt get it?.... good.
So I did put up.
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So you said I was making 'racist taunts' but you meant I had said 'you're all racists'
I am at a loss to know what you are actually talking about, where have I said 'you're all racist'? If anything I have said the opposite
The Royal Sampler
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The problem is that now the booing is guaranteed to continue. Those who began booing because they think Goodes is a tosser are not going to accept that they should stop on the grounds that it is racist or provides cover for racists. They will boo because to stop would be to admit they shouldn't have been booing in the first place.
This would have died a natural death some time ago if not for all the phony outrage from up on high, and the media pretending to have "no idea why anyone might boo Adam Goodes" etc.
This would have died a natural death some time ago if not for all the phony outrage from up on high, and the media pretending to have "no idea why anyone might boo Adam Goodes" etc.
There are many issues that people have raised as "reasons":
1) The incident with the girl and predominately calling her the face of racism the following day - thus bulling her, even after finding out she was a child.
2) Not forgiving Eddie after he apologised
3) People thinking he used his 'Aust of the year award' to dis the country
4) The way he plays
All reasons that have lead to him being disliked by some. However, for it to lead to the extreme booing of him with absolute venom, in a way that has never been seen before, I believe is an excuse to spew out racism under the cover of the above "reasons". For some it is even worse they just spew out racist words and call them 'banter', like that idiot that got turfed out.
I found points 1 & 3 above disappointing, but they are no different to other things that other high profile people may have done that i disagree with. I don't boo them either, I just don't agree with their actions.
So you said I was making 'racist taunts' but you meant I had said 'you're all racists'
I am at a loss to know what you are actually talking about, where have I said 'you're all racist'? If anything I have said the opposite
I was saying you are using the "racist" taunts (tags) as in the call of your/their racists by your posts you agree with the media then you put the other rubbish when your arguments get shot down.
It can be read both ways, I know what I meant so you take it however you please couldn't give 2 fcuks.
This is the thing though. It is drawing a long bow to think that Goodes is a bigger tosser than many other tossers to play the game. We have had druggies, rapists, drug cheats, wife bashers, Akermanis etc that have played this game. Many have been booed by a very small section and even then for only a very short period of time. Watson for instance 1-2 games and he admitted to cheating.
The venom aimed at Goodes is extraordinary and is ridiculously out of portion to other tossers. In fact, those that boo him because he is a tosser would be a small sample of the booing and would be drowned out or insignificant in the long run. In fact it would have ended by now. It is not those that think he is a tosser that need to stop booing, we need to stop the racists that use it as a cover.
Prove to me that they are booing because of color.
That's the problem here.
There is a large number of indigenous players in our great game. But only one is being booed on a consistent basis.
Why?
Because he's black? Then why are these "racist" booers not venting on Rioli? Or the many players at all clubs.
This is deeper than skin. It's about the man. But the media don't like that story so go with the easiest and most clickable headlines.
I would like the AFL to eject a patron for booing on the grounds of racism. The lawyers would have a field day. As they should.
At the moment it appears that our media commentators, and our AFL administrators have mastered the dark art of mind reading. How else can we explain their 100% conviction that the patrons booing are doing it as an act of racism.
1984.
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The AFL have summed this up well. It is no longer a debate about why Goodes is being booed. He is a person of significance in the Aboriginal community and is being booed continuously. It is a terrible look for the game and needs to stop.
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Adam Goodes: Footy has become a redneck wonderland
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The gutless drongos who boo Adam Goodes should have the courage to admit they're a bunch of ugly racists.
What a redneck wonderland footy has become.
Every weekend, somewhere in Australia, Adam Goodes steps out onto a footy field.
Simultaneously, an army of gutless drongos get ready to express their contempt for him, hiding anonymously in the choir of clowns who boo his every step.
Hey, bigots, don't get me wrong.
I defend your right to express your unfathomable sense of outrage and injustice. It must burn long and deep. Probably over the spiralling price of a pie at the footy or the quality of the rubbish beer your force yourself to drink whilst acting like obnoxious school kids.
Your worries and concerns must weigh heavily on your poor benighted souls. So knock yourselves out. Boo away. At least have the courage though to admit what it is.
Racism.
Naked, loud, contemptible, pathetic and unashamed.
None of this crap about Goodes staging for free kicks, being a "sniper" or sweet talking the umpires is the reason for the booing.
Don't use football as shield for your prejudice.
Adam Goodes has made it quite clear he hears those boos as a statement on his race and culture.
Blokes like Goodes tend to have a finely tuned radar for racism. When you have been living with it all your life you learn to speak it's many ugly languages.
So when he tells you what it means to him and you choose to boo, you're confirming to him and every other indigenous footballer what you're really about.
What you don't like and can't abide is that Adam Goodes won't be the Aboriginal footballer you want him to be.
He refuses to simply be the smiling face of AFL Indigenous Round where the game's self congratulation goes into over drive and Aboriginal people are celebrated in a set of proscribed rituals that say nothing about the true state of affairs and everything about our need to be absolved from responsibility.
A smoking ceremony here. A ceremonial dance there. A welcome to country and then goodbye, onto the next costume party.
No, Goodes wants to look you in the eye and talk about who we really are and where we're really at. Goodes wants to confront racism and its uncomfortable truths. In the stands you sit in, the mines you work in, the boardrooms you meet in, the homes you live in.
He won't simply be the Aboriginal man you want him to be.
And with your symphony of boos you've made it quite clear where you stand.
The fact that you fuel your own sense of outrage at Goodes and Lewis Jetta's "war dance" shows how feeble minded and self righteous you are.
Where's your sense of outrage at the appalling gap in life expectancy for indigenous people?
The massive over representation of indigenous people in jail?
The continuing scourge of deaths in custody?
Your silence is deafening on those issues. Your outrage reserved for a man who dances on the footy field.
And whilst you're booing ever louder and ever longer you can try drown out the truth of these things.
You can't. And you won't.
Because Adam Goodes' legacy will endure long after your hollow howls ring out.
And that must hurt the most.
Francis Leach is an ABC sports commentator. This article was originally published on this blog at http://www.francisleach.com Twitter: @SaintFrankly
Francis Leach
The gutless drongos who boo Adam Goodes should have the courage to admit they're a bunch of ugly racists.
What a redneck wonderland footy has become.
Every weekend, somewhere in Australia, Adam Goodes steps out onto a footy field.
Simultaneously, an army of gutless drongos get ready to express their contempt for him, hiding anonymously in the choir of clowns who boo his every step.
Hey, bigots, don't get me wrong.
I defend your right to express your unfathomable sense of outrage and injustice. It must burn long and deep. Probably over the spiralling price of a pie at the footy or the quality of the rubbish beer your force yourself to drink whilst acting like obnoxious school kids.
Your worries and concerns must weigh heavily on your poor benighted souls. So knock yourselves out. Boo away. At least have the courage though to admit what it is.
Racism.
Naked, loud, contemptible, pathetic and unashamed.
None of this crap about Goodes staging for free kicks, being a "sniper" or sweet talking the umpires is the reason for the booing.
Don't use football as shield for your prejudice.
Adam Goodes has made it quite clear he hears those boos as a statement on his race and culture.
Blokes like Goodes tend to have a finely tuned radar for racism. When you have been living with it all your life you learn to speak it's many ugly languages.
So when he tells you what it means to him and you choose to boo, you're confirming to him and every other indigenous footballer what you're really about.
What you don't like and can't abide is that Adam Goodes won't be the Aboriginal footballer you want him to be.
He refuses to simply be the smiling face of AFL Indigenous Round where the game's self congratulation goes into over drive and Aboriginal people are celebrated in a set of proscribed rituals that say nothing about the true state of affairs and everything about our need to be absolved from responsibility.
A smoking ceremony here. A ceremonial dance there. A welcome to country and then goodbye, onto the next costume party.
No, Goodes wants to look you in the eye and talk about who we really are and where we're really at. Goodes wants to confront racism and its uncomfortable truths. In the stands you sit in, the mines you work in, the boardrooms you meet in, the homes you live in.
He won't simply be the Aboriginal man you want him to be.
And with your symphony of boos you've made it quite clear where you stand.
The fact that you fuel your own sense of outrage at Goodes and Lewis Jetta's "war dance" shows how feeble minded and self righteous you are.
Where's your sense of outrage at the appalling gap in life expectancy for indigenous people?
The massive over representation of indigenous people in jail?
The continuing scourge of deaths in custody?
Your silence is deafening on those issues. Your outrage reserved for a man who dances on the footy field.
And whilst you're booing ever louder and ever longer you can try drown out the truth of these things.
You can't. And you won't.
Because Adam Goodes' legacy will endure long after your hollow howls ring out.
And that must hurt the most.
Francis Leach is an ABC sports commentator. This article was originally published on this blog at http://www.francisleach.com Twitter: @SaintFrankly
Kynge of Begrem
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Just finished reading that, you beat me to posting it. Thanks for sharing it with the board.
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When Goodes said what he said about remembering whose country I was living in, it offended me personally. That is more than I can say about any of the Careys, Milnes or Akermanises of this world. None of whom I would waste a moment defending were they to become the target of booing, mind you, but I understand if people find Goodes to be objectionable on a uniquely personal level.
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Anyone hear bec wilson and dermot brereton go at it on sen today, bec wilson basically said that dermot was inciting people to boo goodes saying it was racist, shes just as big a flog as goodes is, dermit was only saying it how it is and she took him out of complete context, she is an enept journalist who didnt even research her facts, im glad dermot rang in while she was on and made her look like a fool!! Made for good listening. yeah sure some people may be racist and thats the reason they boo him but id say most people are booing goodes due to the fact hes a sook and a complete flog, id boo him if he was white wouldnt make a difference to me, i love the way aboriginals play the game and i respect that he is trying to stand up for his people but he does it in the complete wrong way, its the way he sooks about every little thing that is unaustralian and the fact he was the australian of the year gets on peoples nerves, him singling out that 14 year old girl was just the start and ever since he hasnt warmed himself to too many people
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Yes, and Adam has a right to feel hurt by booing, as do the umpires or any other player who has ever been booed, but that doesn't make it racist. The same as fans have a right to be angry being termed racists and having players direct war dances at them.
The whole thing is feeding on itself. I would love it for our fans to not boo him when we play Sydney in a couple weeks.
I wish the Sydney game was in Melbourne so I could boo him hard.
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War is peace, all u racist campaigners need stop booing the umpires!
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