Yes as trading tool only, we wouldn't use it to pick up a kid from the draft, as we have plenty.
Though pick 4 on its own will not get us the player we need to replace Beams, same as pick 4 on its own wont be enough to land Beams to Brisbane.
Traded Dayne Beams and pick 67 traded for picks 5 and 25, and Jack Crisp
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Though pick 4 on its own will not get us the player we need to replace Beams, same as pick 4 on its own wont be enough to land Beams to Brisbane.
I really don't think this is a reality, though if it was, Sun's are mad and the Pie's are blessed.
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Totally agree with that. Pick 4 is not enough.
Just saying that a brisbane established player (Rich/Rockliff/Hanley/Redden) wont happen either.
The middle-ground negotiations are going to be interesting
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Just because Collingwood want an experienced ready made player it doesn't mean they will get one. Maybe they are better off starting that rebuild so Buckley can draft players that will do as he says.
It is much easier for Collingwood to say that he wants to leave just because his father is sick. No blame then attaches to the club and they can look good by letting him go. It would look much worse for the club and the player if they came out and said he wants to leave because:
- his father is very sick and he wants to be able to spend more time with him;
- he like many others at the club does not get on with Buckley;
- most of his closer mates have been forced out of Collingwood and he would prefer to play with his brother and be able to go out with his mates on the coast;
- he had had enough of being paid half as much as he is worth and is annoyed that Collingwood have not renegotiated it;
- Brisbane are willing to tear up his current contract and pay him twice as much as he is earning now for the next 4 or 5 years; and
- he can party with less scrutiny in Brisbane and the Gold Coast.
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I don't think Collingwood would be too gutted to have a crack at Brayshaw/Wright/McCartin if they couldn't secure a mature gun with pick 4.
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It isn't a reality just like Rockliff or Hanley aren't a reality.
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Yep, as far as I am concerned Collingwood has handled this with integrity thus far. They have indicated that they respect Beams's request and will do anything possible to help him stay at the club whilst allowing him family time, failing that a trade that suits them will need to be done before packing his bags.
Personally, as much as it pains me to see Beams leaving i do not begrudge him for being close to his old man. I think any club's supporter would be devastated at the loss of a player of his caliber. I am also pretty confident a deal will be done.
I agree that both of them are not going anywhere.
Realistically both clubs have handled things well so far and Beams has stayed out of it. Very professional and both have put positions without really raising anomosity.
Some of us supporters on the other hand have handled things not so well.
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I'm a bit surprised that more hasn't been made of Connors saying that Beams's dad is okay and on the mend. (Obviously the 5 year remission disclaimer is implied).
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Yea, look we are passionate supporters & at times passion bypasses logic. Our excuse is that we are losing a favorite son of the Club so afford a little leniency when dealing with us.
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I think we can all understand that. No-one likes losing a very good player. We'll excuse you if you get a bit passionate. But we probably wont excuse talking nonsense... just like you wouldn't excuse it from us
From a Brisbane point of view, we are excited that such a good player wants to come to us. We don't want to bust up our promising kids to get him, and some of our fans will swear black & blue that we wont give anything more than Pick 4 up. Ignore those ones... they are being unrealistic.
Yeah people seem to think he is dying...I read more like his dad has had a scare and Beams realized life can be short and wants to spend time with family. Prob helps with his friends bar Swan (near retirement) are no longer that the club... oh and he gets to play with his brother
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I think pick 4 and 24 is not a bad offer. If we can upgrade the 24 to make it a bit sweeter I'd be happy to do that also. I am not really willing to trade any of our young players.
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Don't forget the $$$$ although you'd have thought Beams was in for a big pay rise at the Pies anyway.
yep..I understand money wont be any different between the pies and lions... the suns are the losers here with them unable to compete
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It could happen with the likes of Merrett and possibly Patfull moving on.
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Yeah... Merrett and 24 for North's 15-ish?
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Melbourne's potential band 2 compensation (pick 19) makes more sense. Although an exchange of later picks might need to happen as well or we get a little shortchanged.
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Is their any chance we could trade pick 4 for Luke Shuey, than on trade Sheuy to Collingwood.
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Didn't think you could on-trade players, so would have to be a 3-team deal... but I could be wrong
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Sorry, that's what I meant. Three way trade involving West Coast getting our pick 4 and Luke Shuey going to Collingwood for Beams.
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The Brisbane Lions supporters are praying GC won't get involved.
Imagine the PR fallout of failing to get Ryder and then GC come in and get Beams?
And before you say they have no salary cap room.
Collingwood could pay a decent amont of Beams contract next year and it would expedite the deal. They could almost pay the full amount!
The Clark trade should make you aware they are a serious player.
Imagine the PR fallout of failing to get Ryder and then GC come in and get Beams?
And before you say they have no salary cap room.
Collingwood could pay a decent amont of Beams contract next year and it would expedite the deal. They could almost pay the full amount!
The Clark trade should make you aware they are a serious player.
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