Society/Culture Feminism part 1 - continued in part 2

[Kynge of Begrem]

Not my terminology

you agreed that it was 'the crux of the matter' hence you share ownership of the terminology.

 

[kfc1]

you agreed that it was 'the crux of the matter' hence you share ownership of the terminology.

So you agree with what I posted then?

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

So you agree with what I posted then?

 

[kfc1]

The only response you had concerned Spurious Pea's choice of words so I assume that you agree with the rest.

 

[kfc1]

http://m.afr.com/p/opinion/why_left_feminists_don_like_kids_zCbYWk9GxhdiLHnYdE3fsM

Interrsting opinion piece from Mark Latham

 

[Illinois Nazi]

http://m.afr.com/p/opinion/why_left_feminists_don_like_kids_zCbYWk9GxhdiLHnYdE3fsM

Interrsting opinion piece from Mark Latham

Yeah, that should lead to some reasoned and sensible debate.

 

[kfc1]

Yeah, that should lead to some reasoned and sensible debate.

It is pretty easy to choose to be a stay at home dad when you get a nice politicians pension in your account every fortnight but he does make a few reasonable points

 

[Illinois Nazi]

It is pretty easy to choose to be a stay at home dad when you get a nice politicians pension in your account every fortnight but he does make a few reasonable points

Yes. I did note also that he isn't studying medicine full time as well.

 

[Richard Pryor]

He does make some interesting points related to stay-at-home mum's being generalised as oppressed unfulfilled people, but much like everything to do with Mark Latham, he comes across as a raving lunatic.

 

[Illinois Nazi]

Oh, it was also amusing how he "chose" to give up his position of opposition leader to stay home with the kids.

 

[kfc1]

He does make some interesting points related to stay-at-home mum's being generalised as oppressed unfulfilled people, but much like everything to do with Mark Latham, he comes across as a raving lunatic.

Well put.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

What would his pension be? 100-150k? Would be a pretty easy gig. Plus I am pretty sure he isnt looking after babies, but older children who are at school most of the day and gets to spend his days gardening and cooking. Christ I am glad he never became PM.

 

[fleabitten]

His basic point is still valid though. That woman's comment about needing anti-depressants to cope was pretty pathetic and we do often see motherhood demonized by women who prefer to pursue a career. As a single dad, I got to experience a lot of the aspects of parenthood that other dads might miss out on. It would have been even more enjoyable/easier if I had a spouse going to work and earning money (and then being able to give a helping hand with things when they got home).

For the record, once my kids were at school, I was also studying and working. Maybe not as demanding as medicine, but still a full plate. I assume this woman makes use of day care or nannies or other things that she would have been able to afford that I couldn't.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

His basic point is still valid though. That woman's comment about needing anti-depressants to cope was pretty pathetic and we do often see motherhood demonized by women who prefer to pursue a career. As a single dad, I got to experience a lot of the aspects of parenthood that other dads might miss out on. It would have been even more enjoyable/easier if I had a spouse going to work and earning money (and then being able to give a helping hand with things when they got home).

For the record, once my kids were at school, I was also studying and working. Maybe not as demanding as medicine, but still a full plate. I assume this woman makes use of day care or nannies or other things that she would have been able to afford that I couldn't.

Were her comments self deprecating or serious?

I haven't seen her article. Is she one of the many women in this country who is taking medication to deal with post natal, or indeed any form of, depression?

It is a pretty cheap shot for someone in Latham's position to make.

 

[fleabitten]

Were her comments self deprecating or serious?

I haven't seen her article. Is she one of the many women in this country who is taking medication to deal with post natal, or indeed any form of, depression?

It is a pretty cheap shot for someone in Latham's position to make.

I don't know if she was serious, but if it was a joke, isn't that worse?

Agree it's a cheap shot to single her out like that though.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

I don't know if she was serious, but if it was a joke, isn't that worse?

Agree it's a cheap shot to single her out like that though.

If it was a joke they have both succeeded in stigmatising mental illness.

 

[cartwright]

This is the piece he is talking about?

http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/pillpop-culture-20141114-11mldl.html

 

[fleabitten]

This is the piece he is talking about?

http://www.smh.com.au/good-weekend/pillpop-culture-20141114-11mldl.html

Yeah, seems like he's reading way too much into that.

He has a decent point buried somewhere in that piece, but he shouldn't be singling her out for anything in her article. The decent point, i think, is that being a parent is very rewarding and being a stay at home parent is preferable to having to go out and work for a lot of people. I can't really understand how anyone that loves kids and enjoys being a parent would prefer to go out and work. The parent that has to do that has drawn the short stick IMO and families where both parents do it probably shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

 

[Kynge of Begrem]

Yeah, seems like he's reading way too much into that.

He has a decent point buried somewhere in that piece, but he shouldn't be singling her out for anything in her article. The decent point, i think, is that being a parent is very rewarding and being a stay at home parent is preferable to having to go out and work for a lot of people. I can't really understand how anyone that loves kids and enjoys being a parent would prefer to go out and work. The parent that has to do that has drawn the short stick IMO and families where both parents do it probably shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

+1
I guess he had to find something to write a paid piece for the AFR about to supplement his meagre parliamentary pension

 

[cartwright]

Yeah, seems like he's reading way too much into that.

He has a decent point buried somewhere in that piece, but he shouldn't be singling her out for anything in her article. The decent point, i think, is that being a parent is very rewarding and being a stay at home parent is preferable to having to go out and work for a lot of people. I can't really understand how anyone that loves kids and enjoys being a parent would prefer to go out and work. The parent that has to do that has drawn the short stick IMO and families where both parents do it probably shouldn't have had kids in the first place.

Yep. He's added his own spin into what she actually said.

 

[Slax]

Here's a myth - That Germaine Greer is helpful in promoting their cause

 

[Tas]

Here is an interesting article "Feminism is in danger of becoming toxic."

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality

 

[fleabitten]

Here is an interesting article "Feminism is in danger of becoming toxic."

http://www.theguardian.com/commenti...t-shirt-dapper-laughs-julien-blanc-inequality

I agree with a lot of that. Had to laugh when she said "we feminist campaigners" though.

 

[Tas]

I agree with a lot of that. Had to laugh when she said "we feminist campaigners" though.

Due to BF autocorrect?

 

[fleabitten]

Due to BF autocorrect?

Yeah, it's hard now to read the word campaigner without mentally subbing in the other word.