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Garner, Dumont, Wood, McKenzie shows how much young talent we still have on this list to name a few.
Every club could make an equivalent claim.
Wood and Dumont are the only ones in the group who consistently posted quality VFL performances.
You could say the same about levi for the first 5 years. They have the talent - the want/attitude will define if they make it.Every club could make an equivalent claim.
Wood and Dumont are the only ones in the group who consistently posted quality VFL performances.
Garner had a very strong year first up in the VFL as far as i can recall. In the bests 5 or 6 times.
Nor would I have. He was good, but not as consistent as the other two lads.Thought he had a couple of crunch kick cameos. Hope you're correct as I wouldn't have rated his 2013 VFL season in the same bracket as Dumont and Wood's 2014.
You could say the same about levi for the first 5 years. They have the talent - the want/attitude will define if they make it.
Cunners is the greatest example of this - his attitude was always first class.
Nor would I have. He was good, but not as consistent as the other two lads.
Just looked it up. In the bests twice and got over 20 touches once, only once over 1 goal in a game.
Our best 22 = our Prelim team with the following changes:
OUT: Greenwood, Jacobs, Black
IN: Cooney (TBC), Higgins, Waite
Edit: forgot Lachie, chuck him in for Firrito or a most likely injured Narni.
The problem for me is Waite/Petrie are too similar. Black is a point of difference when fully fit.
Garner will make it so long as he can stay healthy. Has the tools and tenacity.Probably comes down to definition of talent.
I don't think Garner and McKenzie have shown enough all-round game consistently in the VFL to say they have long-term AFL talent EVEN if they apply themselves fully.
Like the above posts though, I hope they do.
Probably comes down to definition of talent.
I don't think Garner and McKenzie have shown enough all-round game consistently in the VFL to say they have long-term AFL talent EVEN if they apply themselves fully.
Like the above posts though, I hope they do.
Whilst a fair point on the facts I think it best to treat them very differently.
McKenzie is all or nothing. Does an impressive kick sure, and then goes to a contest wearing his skirt and plays footy like it's basketball. Very frustrating footballer.
Garner is Turner like in his approach, and I don't believe he is the type where stats will ever show actual impact despite his (maybe) lack of pure talent.
Ben Brown is similar compared to Robbie Tarrant - one has second, third efforts and hands in play, tackling etc, whilst the other either marks or he is invisible. I am all for the type of player who does the 1%s and if they get plenty of it even better.
My point was disagreeing with the view that you could take the premise that McKenzie and Garner have long term AFL talent to the bank.
Both have elements of a good AFL player but both have limitations. Actually they are basically an inverse of each other.
It wasn't a commentary on how I personally rate player attributes.
Agree with your appraisal of the players and emphasis on effort/impact but obviously the club sometimes prioritises inherent potential or other qualities over workrate.
Otherwise Greenback would still be at Arden Street and Bastinac would be shooting out ping pongs for money in a Bangkok bar.
No way either of them can be certain to make it KC - totally agree on that (I also put Jacobs in that bracket despite the popularity vote on here that he is Voss mark II if he "finally plays in his natural position")
Both have limitations for sure, but I'd take the 100% trier over the softie any day of the week - especially in big games when more pressure is applied.
Greenwood always showed this over Bastinac for example, and for former mine was always very under-appreciated whilst we are stuck with the flaky and front-running former.
So yes, I completely agree with you on that point so for mine Garner is my pick by a long way if I had to choose between the two (not that we are of course)
Not bad. Okay, first thing is who's missing in addition to Spud, Froggy, Wood? (Jmac, BJ, Patch, Mullett, BMac, Tippett, Tarrant). Fair depth there, and arguably Jmac and Patch are best 22, with BJ and Mullett next best.So........ for round 1 next year, assuming all fit and healthy:
Hansen Thompson Wright
Atley Grima Mcdonald
Wells Swallow Boomer
Higgins Petrie Black
Brown Waite L.T
Goldy Cunners Gibson
NDS Ziebell Turner (Bastinac)
First defender in = Spud
First mid in = Dumont (or Bas on the ground)
Forward in = Wood
Issues
- Too top heavy up forward?
- Overall lack of speed?
Not bad. Okay, first thing is who's missing ....... Jmac.
Lack of speed? Yes,
Nor would I have. He was good, but not as consistent as the other two lads.
Just looked it up. In the bests twice and got over 20 touches once, only once over 1 goal in a game.
Yeah forgot Jmac. But can't see both he and Wright getting a game.
Not much we can do about the lack of speed in the team other than bring in Mullett. But then he could only replace Bastinac, wright/jmac, or a Gibbo type play (which obviously wont happen), or drop a tall forward.
If Atley pushes into the midfield rotation, Jmac will slid into defence.