Steph Curry is over-rated Thread

[Superstar swan]

Lebron makes his teammates better but Steph doesn't. I've heard it all now.

Steph makes his team better before he even does anything. Every player has more space when he's on the floor due to the defense having to pick him up as soon as he crosses half court. And that's before you even look at what happens when he goes to work.

Thats called spreading the floor which wvery 3 point shooter does. Curry is not as influentual at physically making players around him better as lebron.

Offensively he is miles ahead of lebron but as an overall package, james has him covered.

Interesting fact: lebron has registered 11 seasons with an average 25/6/6/1..only 5 other players in history have registered a season stat line of that. Bird,jordan,barry,westbrook and drexler. But combined they still come up short.

James has had more 25/6/6/1 and seasons than every other nba player in history...combined.

 

[kozi]

Thats called spreading the floor which wvery 3 point shooter does. Curry is not as influentual at physically making players around him better as lebron.

Offensively he is miles ahead of lebron but as an overall package, james has him covered.

Interesting fact: lebron has registered 11 seasons with an average 25/6/6/1..only 5 other players in history have registered a season stat line of that. Bird,jordan,barry,westbrook and drexler. But combined they still come up short.

James has had more 25/6/6/1 and seasons than every other nba player in history...combined.

So you're saying every 3 point shooter spreads the floor the same amount as Curry? lol

And quoting Lebron's stats isn't even a valid argument when talking about making teammates better players.

 

[Superstar swan]

So you're saying every 3 point shooter spreads the floor the same amount as Curry? lol

And quoting Lebron's stats isn't even a valid argument when talking about making teammates better players.

Not the same as curry but plenty of players spread the defence out.

 

[kozi]

Not the same as curry but plenty of players spread the defence out.

How many players in the league have to be picked up from the moment they set foot across the half court line?

 

[Superstar swan]

Only one curry. No one can question his offensive prowess, however imo he doesnt offer as much on both ends of the courts that others do

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Iggy got an uncontested dunk yesterday because the three Pacers closest to the basket were watching Curry cut off the ball. Nobody else draws that much attention.

 

[fidstar]

Interesting fact: lebron has registered 11 seasons with an average 25/6/6/1..only 5 other players in history have registered a season stat line of that. Bird,jordan,barry,westbrook and drexler. But combined they still come up short.

James has had more 25/6/6/1 and seasons than every other nba player in history...combined.

I don't think that anyone is disputing James has had a better career than Curry, so not sure why talking about this is relevant.

 

[PP34]

Whikst steph curry is the most skilled player and best shooter we have seen, he is not the best player in the league. That mantle still belongs to james. Lebron can and does play every position on the floor,curry can only play guard and point guard. Lebron can defend any player/position in the league, curry cannot.

In a one on one and when lebron is in the mood (doesnt always do it and drives me insane because he is near unstoppable) there is no way stephy is stopping lebron get to the rim.

If you had to pick one out of steph and lebron to defend any position including each other, who would you go with ?

When people say he can defend all positions, they dont mean he can shut every player down, they mean when required he is physicaly capable of playing defence on any player. He has athleticism to play on guards, strength to play on pf and centres with high level iq.

If it comes down to it, steph is not physically capable of playing d agains the likes of lebron, griffen, davis , cousins etc. Steph will always heavily rely on help from teammates for his team to be elite in this league

Your missing the point. With seconds to go, lebron can pick up ANY player for the last plays of the game and play effective defence. It doesnt mean he can defend elite c or elite pgs for an entire game, when required he can.
Curry cannot. He will not stop lebron getting to the hole in an iso, he will not defend davis in the post etc. Lebron is a far more capable 2 way player than curry

How would steph go against said 7 footers.

Up by a point in game 7 of the finals with 8 seconds to go, who would you put your faith into defensively to make a play. Lebron or steph?

The thing is with LeBron on defence is that he only tries when he wants to, and has never spent a year focused heavily on making himself a two way force. He came close a few times with Miami but would still not be as effective as guys like prime Dwight on defence. The argument you constantly make about him being able to defend all five spots is rubbish, and I've never for a second agreed with it. In Miami, LeBron was playing in a small ball system focused on switching and taking advantage of the Heat's athleticism on the defensive side. This suited LeBron to a tee. He was surrounded by players that could harrass the ball handler on the pick and roll and make quick switches that allowed LeBron, Bosh and Wade along with others to end possessions on guys they normally wouldn't guard. The lack of dominant bigs with actual size suited that team's strategy perfectly. I can't really recall LeBron ever being some 5 position guy that would take whoever was best each night, and if he truly was a 5 position guy, that's how I would judge him. There's a reason Spoelstra would always have him guarding a three man or four man the majority of the night.

Wer talking as a total package. Steph curry is obviously better offensively but the difference in lebrons defensive capabilites puts him ahead of curry.

Haven't watched a whole lot of LeBron this year, but I'd assume he's not trying much on defence once again.

Plus lebron makes everyone around him much better. Better teammate and better leader than curry

That truly is an awful argument to use with Steph Curry. He's currently smashing the team record books each and every night with this streak, and is currently running an offence that is unguardable. As good as LeBron is, and as big as the presence he creates is, he never has been a part of a team that had the NBA bamboozled trying to stop them defensively. You can always give LeBron the jumpshot, and make it tougher for others. Teams still willingly give him shots.

Based on him being in 5 finals series in a row and raising the cavaliers from the duldrums of the nba. Love was s**t last year and irving was already there and could not get them to the post season

1 of only 2 players in nba history to rank top 25 in assists and points

LeBron didn't do the same in his first stint with Cleveland. In his time at Miami anything less than finals was horrible, and the fact the Celtics and Pacers, two under matched teams almost knocked them out isn't exactly great. Funny how he returns to Cleveland and gets back to the finals so soon. He was surrounded by genuine talent beside him and on the bench. The East was also as weak as I can ever recall it in the playoffs. No team got close to taking it to a hobbled team whereas in the previous few years Boston or Indiana probably would've eliminated that team.

Thats called spreading the floor which wvery 3 point shooter does. Curry is not as influentual at physically making players around him better as lebron.

Offensively he is miles ahead of lebron but as an overall package, james has him covered.

Interesting fact: lebron has registered 11 seasons with an average 25/6/6/1..only 5 other players in history have registered a season stat line of that. Bird,jordan,barry,westbrook and drexler. But combined they still come up short.

James has had more 25/6/6/1 and seasons than every other nba player in history...combined.

LeBron can be physically dominant and unguardable when he wants to be, but seemingly only pulls the unstoppable form out in playoff time.

Curry provides one of the greatest defensive dilemmas ever posed to NBA defences. On pick and rolls you go under he shoots, double team or hedge and he finds the open man every time, try to ice it and he can hit shots from near half court. Then there's his Ray Allen like movement to get open catches from teammates. The movement was something defences couldn't cope with when guarding Ray Allen, here we are with Curry having that plus his brilliant pick and roll skills. The cutting off ball causes defensive chaos. There's a reason Harrison Barnes, Draymond Green, Klay Thompson, Iggy and others constantly find themselves on the end of a brilliant team passing sequence. Teams throw defenders at Curry to ensure he doesn't get space.

Seriously on Saturday do yourself a favour and just focus on the attention Curry attracts and then watch his reactions to it. He creates so much chaos. Like LeBron his team would be pretty mediocre without him. Their offence looks ugly without him.

Not the same as curry but plenty of players spread the defence out.

Name me another player that is a threat from anywhere over half court scoring wise and possesses Curry's IQ and skills.

Only one curry. No one can question his offensive prowess, however imo he doesnt offer as much on both ends of the courts that others do

Even defensively, he's not as bad as people say. He's far from being a Charles Barkley like superstar that is just terrible defensively. He's definitely improved since year one. And teams even have to strongly consider shot selection with the Warriors. Poor shots can lead to transition offence for the Warriors and you're not getting near them if you're front rimming shots constantly and allowing Steph and Klay to get head starts.

Also, other than LeBron there's not really another two way player like that, so I don't understand how you can say he doesn't offer as much as others on both sides.

 

[ExRoyboy]

You have to love both Lebron and Steph but at the moment I think Steph is the best player in the NBA and it's not even that close.

I have never ever seen a player shoot like he can and he is very efficient as well. He is an amazing ball handler and his passing, while a little loose at times is also elite now. Others have said this and it's true that he draws so much attention now (teams are pretty much face guarding him from when he crosses the halfway line) that he opens the floor for the rest of the team. The Warriors are historically great largely because of Steph Curry. The other players all make a contribution and Draymond Green is certainly critical to their structures but it is Curry who makes them historically great. With the age of their roster they could win three or four championships if Curry stays healthy. The fact anyone ever thought he was over rated now just seems ridiculous.