Tony Abbott just doesn't ******* get it

[Power Raid]

When I wrote, "where are these opportunities", I didn't mean place and not sure why you took it as such.
I am over talking about this and immigration with you. You should write a book with so much knowledge.

I am just in a lucky position because people helped me in terms of $s, professional support and emotional support over many years. I was also lucky to be in the right place and backed companies like FMG, RIV and AGO. These companies have gone on to employ 1,000s of people including many of my friends. As a result, I am in a fortunate position where I filter hundreds of ideas a day through a network, seriously investigate 10 a day and execute on 1 of those.

These opportunities are no longer for me but I get a real kick out of helping people as people helped me when I needed it. I now focus most of my energy in third world and emerging nations in building tax systems and mining regulations with fellow Australians. The view is to create sustainable industries in places like the Philippines (gold), Somalia (salts and fishing), Guinea (bauxite and power stations), Saudi (PVC production, caustic and aluminum) Peru (copper and gold) etc. My other big passion is clean energy and have ambitions to do in energy what I have done in iron ore.

Is it easy? no. is it hard? no. anyone could do it, if they had the opportunity.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

as I said previously, to work this needs an overhaul of our industrial relations, red tape and green tape. it may even require an overhaul of our education system too.

a change to the welfare system alone is doomed to failure.

-_-

 

[DivideandMultiply]

rubbish

you only pay back your HECS when you come out the other side a success and earning good $s.

Not rubbish at all, apart from the barriers they are introducing to tertiary, they and state liberal counterparts have been responsible for a significant program of cuts to TAFE and training programs and support.

Likewise, government policy so far has seen an increase in unemployment across both private and public sectors.

 

[Power Raid]

Not rubbish at all, apart from the barriers they are introducing to tertiary, they and state liberal counterparts have been responsible for a significant program of cuts to TAFE and training programs and support.

Likewise, government policy so far has seen an increase in unemployment across both private and public sectors.

We benefited from Keating's reforms for 20 years but now we need another brave person to reform our nation (tha't not Tony by the way). We need welfare reform and IR reform.

oh, and we put to much value on education but not enough on hard work and giving people a fair go. education sectors have breed lifestyle players who never contribute in the real world. Education should be reformed to create closer alignment to industry and teachers should be forced to do real work to remain relevant.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

We benefited from Keating's reforms for 20 years but now we need another brave person to reform our nation (tha't not Tony by the way). We need welfare reform and IR reform.

oh, and we put to much value on education but not enough on hard work and giving people a fair go. education sectors have breed lifestyle players who never contribute in the real world. Education should be reformed to create closer alignment to industry and teachers should be forced to do real work to remain relevant.

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5662-roy-morgan-monthly-unemployment-june-2014-201407030530

As for the last sentence, empty words. University educators are almost always active researchers, so are by and large making significant real world contributions. As for closer alignment, again, the government cut funding for successful, as well as revenue neutral (or even positive), industry/public sector partnership programs.

 

[Power Raid]

http://www.roymorgan.com/findings/5662-roy-morgan-monthly-unemployment-june-2014-201407030530

As for the last sentence, empty words. University educators are almost always active researchers, so are by and large making significant real world contributions. As for closer alignment, again, the government cut funding for successful, as well as revenue neutral (or even positive), industry/public sector partnership programs.

so for these real world contributions, how many really skilled and capable people wander around aimlessly and fail to achieve anything? further when they do, have no capability or access to commercialise it?

The people paying dearly for costly education, due to the laziness and fat within the sector, is poor students who are then burden with high fees. This needs to change!

 

[DivideandMultiply]

so for these real world contributions, how many really skilled and capable people wander around aimlessly and fail to achieve anything? further when they do, have no capability or access to commercialise it?

The people paying dearly for costly education, due to the laziness and fat within the sector, is poor students who are then burden with high fees. This needs to change!

What laziness and fat? Per dollar spent we have the most efficient tertiary education sector in the world, by a number of metrics.

Education in this country needs better funding, not further cuts, if we are to compete.

 

[Power Raid]

What laziness and fat? Per dollar spent we have the most efficient tertiary education sector in the world, by a number of metrics.

everything is good then. no need for change or improvements......and the long term unemployed can just rot and die.

well done! I love the compassion.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

deranged rambling

mmmmmmhmmmmmm

Things aren't great and are becoming worse. I have listed detailed responses and alternatives to any number of policy positions in other threads.

The key here though is welfare cuts and education cuts are harmful, not helpful. We need to ease access to education and better fund means of retraining, especially for the long term unemployed. Likewise, our approach to mental health identification, treatment and support is woefully substandard, especially when there is overlap between mental health challenges and employment. Ground was being made, but again, critical support by the current government has been removed.

 

[Power Raid]

mmmmmmhmmmmmm

Things aren't great and are becoming worse. I have listed detailed responses and alternatives to any number of policy positions in other threads.

The key here though is welfare cuts and education cuts are harmful, not helpful. We need to ease access to education and better fund means of retraining, especially for the long term unemployed. Likewise, our approach to mental health identification, treatment and support is woefully substandard, especially when there is overlap between mental health challenges and employment. Ground was being made, but again, critical support by the current government has been removed.

good point re the mental health. It is an extremely complex issue as every individual is different meaning no one solution fits all and quite often there is no solution. As you highlight, it is an area of great concern and requires greater attention but unsure if education centers should try and play a function better suited to the health sector. Sure education centers may have a role to play in health but their primary focus must be education.

I also can't fathom why someone would claim the education sector is so good yet cry foul as soon as any government support is adjusted. For me, I find it offensive that our smartest people require government support especially those taking home over $80k. This funding should be redirected to the long term unemployed to find their place in the workforce through subsidised wages and areas like mental health.

We must stop subsidising our smartest most capable people, breeding a culture of entitlement and help our most needy. Maybe we could get our teachers, lecturers and university students who are against repaying their HECS to work at men's shelters to understand who they are really robbing from.

 

[Atley]

If we think of work as enjoyable, rewarding, positive and an important part of being in a society; then suddenly work for the dole is not a punishment rather a key to belonging!

Do you actually know what people on wftd do?

I doubt it.

 

[Dry Rot]

This has just got a lot more silly and ugly

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/nat...-dole/story-fn59noo3-1227003575905#mm-premium

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-polit...k-for-dole-for-jobseekers-20140727-zxdc3.html

 

[Power Raid]

Do you actually know what people on wftd do?

I doubt it.

getting out and participating is enjoyable

or are you one of those people that think some types of work are beneath them?



Over time, to be successful this program should be linked closer to industry especially in remote locations where labour is scarce

 

[Slax]

rubbish

you only pay back your HECS when you come out the other side a success and earning good $s.

The new fee structure will drive some women away from more expensive courses as they will be aware of the necessity to choose between work and family. If you take off a few years to have a couple of children your income earning potential is stopped, but whilst not working your HECS debt is still increasing. It is very realistic that a woman who did medicine and went on to be a specialist and had 3 children would still have a HECS debt well into her 40s.

Menzies claimed as his great legacy opening up higher education to all Australians. Howard and Abbott have claimed they looked up to the great man but have systematically destroyed what he was most proud of.

 

[Todman]

The new fee structure will drive some women away from more expensive courses as they will be aware of the necessity to choose between work and family. If you take off a few years to have a couple of children your income earning potential is stopped, but whilst not working your HECS debt is still increasing. It is very realistic that a woman who did medicine and went on to be a specialist and had 3 children would still have a HECS debt well into her 40s.

A woman who is a medical specialist would on a zillion more dollars than you or I. Pity she didn't learn how to handle money.

 

[Power Raid]

The new fee structure will drive some women away from more expensive courses as they will be aware of the necessity to choose between work and family. If you take off a few years to have a couple of children your income earning potential is stopped, but whilst not working your HECS debt is still increasing. It is very realistic that a woman who did medicine and went on to be a specialist and had 3 children would still have a HECS debt well into her 40s.

Menzies claimed as his great legacy opening up higher education to all Australians. Howard and Abbott have claimed they looked up to the great man but have systematically destroyed what he was most proud of.

what a load of crap.

most women manage the budgets for their households and are very capable of weighing up the cost benefit for themselves and their families. These decisions are not based on quantitative assessments but qualitative too. If someone really wants a particular career they will make appropriate sacrifices elsewhere like getting a smaller mortgage, saving before they enroll or paying back their HECS faster.

If they are only interested in $s, then yes they may consider a different course or occupation.

Hold on a moment, I am struggling to finish my post as I shed a tear for GPs who can earn $2,500 a day Monday to Friday and $4,000 a day on Saturday and Sunday on a remote localities. So a single mum can stay home Monday to Friday, then fly out on the weekend leaving the kids at grandma and grandpa and earn $8k a week for two days work ($400k a year). If she did FIFO being one week on and one week off before having kids she would earn $20,500 a week or $533k pa. Oh dear, how will she ever pay back her school fees? She might as well wipe her ass with her degree as it is clearly not worth the paper it is written on.

I think it is good that our brightest, smartest, most capable and privileged people take a moment and think about the allocation of resources. I also think it is a good thing to allocate more of our scarce resources to the most needy people in our society.

 

[clogged]

getting out and participating is enjoyable

Jesus Christ you write some absolute s**t.

 

[Atley]

getting out and participating is enjoyable

or are you one of those people that think some types of work are beneath them?



Over time, to be successful this program should be linked closer to industry especially in remote locations where labour is scarce

Okay, thanks for showing you have no idea. I know someone who does it and all they do is sit on a bunch of crappy computers for six hours to get their hours signed off. Most of them bring in prepaid internet sticks as the computers don't come with the net. Not sure how that is enjoyable to be honest and I am not sure what they are participating in. This is not work, it is a complete and utter waste of time.

Labour is not scarce in remote locations, where do you make this stuff up from?

 

[Maggie5]

I love it how this crazy government shoots itself in the foot.
Here they were gaining slightly in the polls regarding their handling of MH17, then they go out and and release details of changes for the unemployed.
So what becomes the focus now? What will the public be talking about?
So glad that the adults are in charge.

 

[Slax]

Hold on a moment, I am struggling to finish my post as I shed a tear for GPs who can earn $2,500 a day Monday to Friday and $4,000 a day on Saturday and Sunday on a remote localities. So a single mum can stay home Monday to Friday, then fly out on the weekend leaving the kids at grandma and grandpa and earn $8k a week for two days work ($400k a year). If she did FIFO being one week on and one week off before having kids she would earn $20,500 a week or $533k pa. Oh dear, how will she ever pay back her school fees? She might as well wipe her ass with her degree as it is clearly not worth the paper it is written on.

I think it is good that our brightest, smartest, most capable and privileged people take a moment and think about the allocation of resources. I also think it is a good thing to allocate more of our scarce resources to the most needy people in our society.

Nice figures, but you've left out quite a few things and your figures are crap.

Firstly please disclose how you came up dollars per day as I would be extremely interested to know your methodology.

Secondly there are quite a few costs that a doctor has which comes directly out of their pay.
Medical receptionist wages, $30 per hour Monday - Friday, $45 Sat, $60 Sunday. This plus superannuation, annual leave, workcover, will add tp to another $25 ph to this. If working a full day then need to consider breaks and how to compensate for that too. Then you get operating costs, rent, insurance on building, supplies and insurance for malpractice which is extremely high.

I will also bet that grandparents are not willing to be dumped with kids every single weekend.

 

[Power Raid]

Nice figures, but you've left out quite a few things and your figures are crap.

Firstly please disclose how you came up dollars per day as I would be extremely interested to know your methodology.

Secondly there are quite a few costs that a doctor has which comes directly out of their pay.
Medical receptionist wages, $30 per hour Monday - Friday, $45 Sat, $60 Sunday. This plus superannuation, annual leave, workcover, will add tp to another $25 ph to this. If working a full day then need to consider breaks and how to compensate for that too. Then you get operating costs, rent, insurance on building, supplies and insurance for malpractice which is extremely high.

I will also bet that grandparents are not willing to be dumped with kids every single weekend.

The figures are for fifo doctors the mining industry is currently paying.

You can check yourself as similar figures have been quoted in the papers.

Note these fees go straight to the doctors pocket as the facilities are provided by the mining companies.

 

[Power Raid]

Okay, thanks for showing you have no idea. I know someone who does it and all they do is sit on a bunch of crappy computers for six hours to get their hours signed off. Most of them bring in prepaid internet sticks as the computers don't come with the net. Not sure how that is enjoyable to be honest and I am not sure what they are participating in. This is not work, it is a complete and utter waste of time.

Labour is not scarce in remote locations, where do you make this stuff up from?

Are you smoking crack?

The reason why a place is called remote is because it is away from towns and cities.

Try and find labour 800km north east of kal. There is heaps of work but hard to find labour. Even dish washers are on $150k.

 

[Power Raid]

Jesus Christ you write some absolute s**t.

Being unemployed is enjoyable?

May be we like different things but I would suggest the majority of us prefer to be employed or participating.

I would love to hear why you would make such a stupid claim?

 

[ep2018]

I think I understand what Abbott is trying to do. But it is affecting those who need the system.

For example he wants people to work for the dole who spend their lives living off it, lying and not bothering to get a job. However, those who absolutely require it for legitimate reasons are being hurt because of this.

I have a solution: the dole should be given in the form of a card, which can only be used for buying groceries, necessities and paying rent, amongst other things. Buying alcohol and drugs, as well as anything else not needed such as TVs, video games etc with these cards would be impossible. However, it would be a clusterphuck to implement though.

 

[poller]

Where are the Abbott promised 1 million job in 5 years , he didn't promise he will force people to work as salves