UFC 193 - Fight Week!

[Quivorir]

Hmm after finally seeing it again im not so sure about this. Throws the punch well after the buzzer imo.

https://streamable.com/fcs5

 

[MMAPride Scott]

Hmm after finally seeing it again im not so sure about this. Throws the punch well after the buzzer imo.

https://streamable.com/fcs5

interesting

 

[radiojake]

I saw a few people there with the Reebok merch on, but it is ridiculously overpriced, and (along with the look of it) would be the main reason it doesn't sell in higher numbers. $160 for a jacket, $140 for a shirt, or $110 for shorts? Even at half those prices, I'd assume even the most die-hard fans would baulk.

I was working in the merch stands both yesterday and on Saturday...

sold way more of the expensive Reebok stuff on the Saturday, which I guess is when the die-hards came out to see the weigh-in etc - There were hundreds of people milling about the place at 7am Sat when I started work - which I thought was pretty crazy...

But after working merch at lots of events now (AFL / World Cup Cricket / Foo Fighters / Bon Jovi / Taylor Swift / etc ) I should stop getting surprised at how much money people waste and how early people get to events to buy all of the crap....

 

[Agenfrida]

Aaaaaaand there's amateur footage of a brawl at the Crown Casino Perth during yesterday's card floating around on social media. No doubt pushing back any prospect of the cage ban being lifted in this lifetime after the media get full wind of it.

There's always going to be f.u.ck.heads that think they're super hero's. Although there's nothing that I can see that links it to the UFC except that the UFC was on that day. You're right though, the media will blow it up and make more out of it than it was. I wouldn't class it as a brawl personally, more like 2 spanners jumping someone. Won't help the cause of getting the sport legitimised though.

 

[Jab]

The internet is having fun with this.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Not once in a generation fighter, once in human history!

I assume that now applies to Holm

 

[Damon_3388]

I was working in the merch stands both yesterday and on Saturday...

sold way more of the expensive Reebok stuff on the Saturday, which I guess is when the die-hards came out to see the weigh-in etc - There were hundreds of people milling about the place at 7am Sat when I started work - which I thought was pretty crazy...

But after working merch at lots of events now (AFL / World Cup Cricket / Foo Fighters / Bon Jovi / Taylor Swift / etc ) I should stop getting surprised at how much money people waste and how early people get to events to buy all of the crap....

Fair enough, you'd obviously know better how much actually got sold than I would. Having not looked at it on their online store before, I was just really shocked by how pricey it was.

 

[Alex_Y]

Peter Fitzsimons can now join Paul Kennedy as hypocritical sport journalist from Australia
http://www.smh.com.au/sport/boxing/...-how-has-it-come-to-this-20151115-gkzpqe.html

I like both but I have to call them out here....
Rugby hits rattle the brain and cause damage 2 peter ya damn

Thanks for posting the article.

In regards to people like Peter F, thinking that the sport should be banned, if UFC should be banned, does that mean all self defense, such boxing. kickboxing, and MMA should be banned from being taught aswell? Because you might aswell. Because in many gyms, they conduct full contact sparring sessions, which is no different to fighting on fight day, expect there is no crowd.
And it's a necessary component. You can hit pads or bags all day, or even do light sparing, but there is no equivalent self defense to full contact sparring/fighting, where you are feeling a shot at full power, with someone trying to knock you out. There's nothing that develops guts also, as much as full contact sparring. There is no substitute for it, and in my opinion, full contact sparring/fighting sessions are a crucial aspect of self defense.
Therefore if you ban fight events, you might as well ban the Boxing/Kickboxing/MMA gyms altogether which would be ridiculous.

Maybe Peter S should just man up, and let men be men.

 

[radiojake]

Fair enough, you'd obviously know better how much actually got sold than I would. Having not looked at it on their online store before, I was just really shocked by how pricey it was.

I was surprised how expensive it was too, in a way, but merch always is...

In all honesty yesterday (well, the stand I was in anyway) sold most of our jackets because of the wind tunnel that is Docklands Stadium and heaps of people got caught out without a jumper and were cold...

 

[Nickos66]

Thanks for posting the article.

In regards to people like Peter F, thinking that the sport should be banned, if UFC should be banned, does that mean all self defense, such boxing. kickboxing, and MMA should be banned from being taught aswell? Because you might aswell. Because in many gyms, they conduct full contact sparring sessions, which is no different to fighting on fight day, expect there is no crowd.
And it's a necessary component. You can hit pads or bags all day, or even do light sparing, but there is no equivalent self defense to full contact sparring/fighting, where you are feeling a shot at full power, with someone trying to knock you out. There's nothing that develops guts also, as much as full contact sparring. There is no substitute for it, and in my opinion, full contact sparring/fighting sessions are a crucial aspect of self defense.
Therefore if you ban fight events, you might as well ban the Boxing/Kickboxing/MMA gyms altogether.

Maybe Peter S should just man up, and let men be men.

People like Peter F should be given as little airtime in public forum discussions as possible and sat in the corner in a dunce cap with a big roll of bubble wrap to keep him quietly content. He's got form on this topic from the last Hunt v Bigfoot fight and seems to relish the negative social media attention he brings on himself. He sees himself as a pariah and as being vindicated by all the negative feedback he receives from his blatantly pighead and ignorant opinion articles.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Dana count have looked more pissed when putting the belt on Holm. All he could think is the cash cow (what an apt description for Ronda) just got butchered.

 

[Damon_3388]

Thanks for posting the article.

In regards to people like Peter F, thinking that the sport should be banned, if UFC should be banned, does that mean all self defense, such boxing. kickboxing, and MMA should be banned from being taught aswell? Because you might aswell. Because in many gyms, they conduct full contact sparring sessions, which is no different to fighting on fight day, expect there is no crowd.
And it's a necessary component. You can hit pads or bags all day, or even do light sparing, but there is no equivalent self defense to full contact sparring/fighting, where you are feeling a shot at full power, with someone trying to knock you out. There's nothing that develops guts also, as much as full contact sparring. There is no substitute for it, and in my opinion, full contact sparring/fighting sessions are a crucial aspect of self defense.
Therefore if you ban fight events, you might as well ban the Boxing/Kickboxing/MMA gyms altogether.

Maybe Peter S should just man up, and let men be men.

I don't think it needs to be attributed to nature or "letting men be men" or anything like that. I just think linking a sport to the stupidity of others, or somehow making it seem like this is Roman Coliseum stuff where people are forced to barbarically fight for our enjoyment, is ridiculous.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Just another marketing opportunity, they'll make plenty on a rematch.

If Ronda destroyed someone like that it'd be years before a rematch.

So if the UFC are consistent - which they never are, she needs to win a few fights first.

Won't happen as at least they can cash in on that now the cash cow is dead.

 

[FireKrakouer]

I was at the event, sitting at Level One. Some idiot on Level Three shouted out "This is the most boring fight in UFC history!" during Joanna-Valerie, and started up the "10-9-8..." cricket countdown, which eventually led to the Mexican wave. These same group upstairs were leading the cringe-worthy "Aussie, Aussie, Aussie!" chants earlier during Whittaker-Hall, too.

I was there but fortunately didn't hear that yell. It's unbelievable. I have a terrible attention span myself, but this was two attractive women putting on an absolute kick boxing clinic, how could you complain? I actually didn't mind the Mexican wave though, thought it was funny and didn't affect me watching the fight.

 

[Damon_3388]

I actually didn't mind the Mexican wave though, thought it was funny and didn't affect me watching the fight.

I don't mind it usually, but where it originated from in this instance, I didn't like.

If Ronda destroyed someone like that it'd be years before a rematch.

So if the UFC are consistent - which they never are, she needs to win a few fights first.

Won't happen as at least they can cash in on that now the cash cow is dead.

Given how dominant Ronda has been, and that there aren't exactly other challengers beating down the door, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to expect an immediate re-match, probably for UFC 200. There'd easily be money and interest in it, and the cash cow is most certainly not dead.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

People like Peter F should be given as little airtime in public forum discussions as possible and sat in the corner in a dunce cap with a big roll of bubble wrap to keep him quietly content. He's got form on this topic from the last Hunt v Bigfoot fight and seems to relish the negative social media attention he brings on himself. He sees himself as a pariah and as being vindicated by all the negative feedback he receives from his blatantly pighead and ignorant opinion articles.

This Peter Fitzgerald dickhead wears a bandana and it isn't even for breast cancer awareness but rather because he thinks its fashionable. Enough said.

 

[matty lloyd the champ]

Watching Holly's interview was like soul food for me. She was just so esctactic and overjoyed yet she was humble and classy the entire time. She genuinely looked distressed at seeing her opponent knocked out like that and didn't celebrate till a while afterwards.

I shudder to think how Ronda would conduct herself if the roles were reversed.

 

[nobbyiscool]

I've tried to ignore this stupid point of view that Dana wasn't happy about Holm winning, but I can ignore it no more.

He was standing in the background with a beaming smile during her interview. When he spoke afterwards he sounded really happy about it.

But of course... I'm going to put this down to the same complete failure to understand marketing and promotion that caused people to not see how contrived the weigh in was.

As if Dana White didn't see dollar signs as soon as Ronda got kicked in the head. For starters, talking to random people on the train on the way home, I don't reckon there's a single person in that arena yesterday who didn't see 50 bucks for the rematch as an added expense for going to the event.

Whether they do it at UFC 200, whether they try and separate out the big fights they have coming - this rematch is going to be one of, if not the biggest pay per view number they've ever done.

 

[toxic]

Aaaaaaand there's amateur footage of a brawl at the Crown Casino Perth during yesterday's card floating around on social media. No doubt pushing back any prospect of the cage ban being lifted in this lifetime after the media get full wind of it.

Link?

 

[Nickos66]

Link?

It's all over Facebook, 9 News Perth I think released the original footage.

Here you go.

 

[phantom13]

A few random musings.

1- Im sure Dana would be concerned, the UFC would have had marketing and fights for days with Ronda. Cyborg, Meisha etc. Hate on Rousey all you want but the girl sells fights. Having said that Dana is a fan first and foremost and like most of us would have been loving the fight (which was great)
2- Ronda deserves a rematch, dont be stupid enough to suggest she doesn't. If Also loses by KO would anyone say he doesn't deserve another shot? Ronda had 6 defenses all finishes, i'd argue no one deserves a rematch more regardless of how it finished.
3- having said all that, I am an unabashed Ronda megafan, loved her since she first called out Meisha and mangled Julia Budds arm but i dont see a rematch going much differently, styles make fights and Holly appears to be her kryptonite, Rondas hands wont improve enough in 6 years let alone 6 months and Holly beat her in the grapple, the clinch and everywhere else. Ronda beats everyone in that division with one hand tied behind her back but i dont see how she beats Holm, Holm has new fights and new challenges now too lets see if she can be as dominant as Ronda was.
4- Obviously its an easy click bait but is there any suggestion that the perth brawl had anything to do with the UFC? I know it was being shown in the pub but there would be fights in casinos just about everyday.
5- Finally the merch was a f**king joke. To be fair i would never buy the reebok stuff on principle but i was just in the US and managed to make it to a few UFC gyms as well as the Reebok store in NYC and i can tell you the shirts in the stores were 30-45 bucks US and still no one was buying them. I also went to the Glendale gym (where Ronda trains) and you can buy Glendale Fight Club shirts there for $15-$30 much better designs for a fraction of the price if you want to support the fighters. The Reebok deal is disgraceful.

 

[phantom13]

A few other points

- With the exception of Bethe and Meisha i think Ronda has been pretty respectful of most of her opponents, i remember her hugging Zingano after there fight? I think this bad ass nasty fake bitch thing has been blown up a bit. The Holm thing was bizarre no doubt (i still think she had a terrible cut and lost the plot at the weigh in) but her and Meisha hated each other and people might forget but Meisha wasn't exactly an innocent little angel in that exchange.
- Rousey didnt try to stand and throw with Holm, the matador thing is a prime example of what Rousey was trying to do, you dont need to rush in like that to throw hands (even when you have poor technique). Rousey even managed to get the clinch a few times but she still couldn't get her down. The armbar attempt only came about because Ronda managed to land better from a failed takedown but it was still a silly position to go for an armbar (or any submission from).
- Its easy to say Ronda needed a plan B etc. its also not entirely wrong but keep in mind Ronda did exactly what she has done in 12 other fights that she won (11 in the first round) tell me anyone here would go "its worked every other time and im the most dominant UFC fighter in the sport right now but yeh, we should throw that gameplan out for this fight". Holly won this fight, Ronda didnt lose it.

 

[Quivorir]

The game plan needed to be tweaked though, and it was pretty evident it wasn't. Holm would probably be her strongest opponent yeah? You're not gonna be able to simple put your chin down and just throw her to the ground like the others, you need to change it up.

 

[Nickos66]

I really enjoyed this article in particular.

http://www.mmafighting.com/2015/11/...-ronda-rousey-hubris-and-potential-redemption

 

[phantom13]

The game plan needed to be tweaked though, and it was pretty evident it wasn't. Holm would probably be her strongest opponent yeah? You're not gonna be able to simple put your chin down and just throw her to the ground like the others, you need to change it up.

You go into the fight being 12-0, the gameplan you have used in every other fight has buried every other opponent. Yeh her gameplan needs tweaking but there was no way to know that before the fight. All im saying is armchair experts can easily say that after the fight.