Strapping Young Lad
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Disagree. It is not relevant and there is no chance that it was one of the club's criteria.With respect to your post, the whole concept of securing a long term facility is be able to adapt to all possible future scenarios. Whilst I agree it's not something that should be in focus in the short to medium term, it could very well be something to look at in 30 years.
Did I hear accommodation in the wind when Newbold was talking about the project?
100% agree.Please stop.
There is zero chance of us building a stadium and if we did, zero chance of an AFL game ever being played there.
So many reasons why, but primarily current stadia contracts, and the fact that even a 20K seater is totally financially impossible. It would be the death of our club if it was attempted.
Please stop perpetuating this message. Stupid, gullible people might believe that it has 1% chance of ever happening.
I wouldn't want to be a landlord to St Kilda FC. I've heard about their wild parties and questionable acts involving school girls and dwarves.Slightly off the beaten track but I can definitely see us splitting the land and becoming the landlords for a future St Kilda facility as well
With Melbourne looking for a second facility I see no reason why we couldn't become their landlord at Waverley Park either
I dunno, depends on whether you get an invitation, I suppose.I wouldn't want to be a landlord to St Kilda FC. I've heard about their wild parties and questionable acts involving school girls and dwarves.
Melbourne can sub-let Waverley Park from us.Slightly off the beaten track but I can definitely see us splitting the land and becoming the landlords for a future St Kilda facility as well
With Melbourne looking for a second facility I see no reason why we couldn't become their landlord at Waverley Park either
Please stop.
There is zero chance of us building a stadium and if we did, zero chance of an AFL game ever being played there.
So many reasons why, but primarily current stadia contracts, and the fact that even a 20K seater is totally financially impossible. It would be the death of our club if it was attempted.
Please stop perpetuating this message. Stupid, gullible people might believe that it has 1% chance of ever happening.
Can't tell you how it is divded however if we can use the 15% equity more efficiently elsewhere i.e. to fund Caroline springs, dingles land purchase etc. then there isn't too much downside in having that stake owned by someone else.How is it we only own 85% of Waverley?
Which 15% don't we own?
Actually it is impossible to make it work.Not impossible but unlikely. We would need a co-tenant and St Kilda is the only one that would consider shifting some games there. Metrocon was built for 150 million and plays 11 games there. IF that is the benchmark of a profitable stadium then we could do it with a co-tenant. I'm sure we can assess this and would only proceed with a contract either with the AFL and/or st kilda in place.
I assume the 15% that was retained my Metricon.How is it we only own 85% of Waverley?
Which 15% don't we own?
You're talking as if we'd be doing it tomorrow. The discussion (at least the one I've been following) is the possibility of it 30-50 or more years from now. There's plenty of stuff clubs do these days that if you considered doing it 30-50 years ago people would have the same reaction you're having now.Actually it is impossible to make it work.
Get out the calculator and work it out. Principle + interest on a commercial loan of $200M would be $20M annually. Do you suggest playing the four Tassie games there? How much money would even eight games generate (if St Kilda or anyone else were stupid enough to join us as we fold)? Certainly not $20M more than we currently make from Tassie. Our club would fold before construction was complete.
Metricon is only profitable for GC because they did not pay to build it. They are not paying back the $150M + interest.
Plus it is used for other events.
Commonwealth Games or Foo Fighters @ Dingley anyone?
30-50 years??You're talking as if we'd be doing it tomorrow. The discussion (at least the one I've been following) is the possibility of it 30-50 or more years from now. There's plenty of stuff clubs do these days that if you considered doing it 30-50 years ago people would have the same reaction you're having now.
The amount of money a club like ours might generate relative to the cost of a boutique stadium development might narrow significantly over this time or it might blow out further. With technology progressing at such a great rate there's no knowing what new methods of construction might be available in 10-20-30 years time that significantly cuts the costs of building something like that.
Fair enough if you don't think it's likely to ever happen but to categorically reject it and claim it impossible? There's realists and then there's pessimists.
I assume the 15% that was retained my Metricon.
Lanuceston makes money out of 5 AFL games a year plus a few local league games and its a 20k seat stadium.Actually it is impossible to make it work.
Get out the calculator and work it out. Principle + interest on a commercial loan of $200M would be $20M annually. Do you suggest playing the four Tassie games there? How much money would even eight games generate (if St Kilda or anyone else were stupid enough to join us as we fold)? Certainly not $20M more than we currently make from Tassie. Our club would fold before construction was complete.
Metricon is only profitable for GC because they did not pay to build it. They are not paying back the $150M + interest.
Plus it is used for other events.
Commonwealth Games or Foo Fighters @ Dingley anyone?
Obviously when the time came, again 30-50 years down the track, the feasibility and specifications of any potential stadium development would be worked out then. With considerations revolving around points like membership size and accessibility. There's apparently already plans in place for road access from the highways and who knows what other public transport developments will occur over that time.30-50 years??
Good thinking, a landlocked and inaccessible 20k stadium to service a club of 100 to 120k members...
Never put a cap on potential future growth.
Want proof? Look at the membership numbers of the two "Big 4" clubs who signed on as tenants at Docklands vs membership numbers of MCG tenants....
What do you mean by Launceston makes money? Do you mean the actual stadium or the Hawks?Lanuceston makes money out of 5 AFL games a year plus a few local league games and its a 20k seat stadium.
How do you know how much money Aurora stadium makes (and it only seats about 14K)?
Their own website has capacity approx 20K, but that includes jamming in several thousand people standing.not that it matters but aurora seats 20.
i hope in 30-50 years time you won't have any 20k attendances. Think of the natural growth, its just not going to be the norm anymore. Low drawing games would be 30k+
Their own website has capacity approx 20K, but that includes jamming in several thousand people standing.