NFL Who Will Win the Super Bowl this Season?

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I'm not sure what's worse to labor thru....Brady vs manning debates or power vs crows debates.

don't bring Brady into this

 

[Exe Gesis]

don't bring Brady into this

He's inextricably attached to the manning discussion. When you talk about about one of the best qb's ever you're gonna have to draw parrallels with his peer(s) who also are one of the greatest ever. Like when you argue one of Elway Marino or Montana you're gonna have to include the others into it.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

He's inextricably attached to the manning discussion. When you talk about about one of the best qb's ever you're gonna have to draw parrallels with his peer(s) who also are one of the greatest ever. Like when you argue one of Elway Marino or Montana you're gonna have to include the others into it.

We're not really arguing if he's the greatest, well, if anything Royals is arguing that he's the greatest

 

[Exe Gesis]

We're not really arguing if he's the greatest, well, if anything Royals is arguing that he's the greatest

Marino is the greatest.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Marino is the greatest.

Fair call

 

[Exe Gesis]

Fair call

No, it's the right call

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I was leaning towards Derek Carr

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

He will be good, Raiders will be the next top AFC West team

 

[ausbacker]

He's inextricably attached to the manning discussion. When you talk about about one of the best qb's ever you're gonna have to draw parrallels with his peer(s) who also are one of the greatest ever. Like when you argue one of Elway Marino or Montana you're gonna have to include the others into it.

It's not really a debate though is it... One has regular season stats, the other has the rings.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

It's not really a debate though is it... One has regular season stats, the other has the rings.

One has had good teams and coach, the other hasn't.

 

[ausbacker]

One has had good teams and coach, the other hasn't.

Not a fan of Tony Dungy and his "quiet strength"?

You are right about John Fox. Mind you, if the media is to be believed, Manning is the HC and OC anyway.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Not a fan of Tony Dungy and his "quiet strength"?

You are right about John Fox. Mind you, if the media is to be believed Manning is the HC and OC anyway.

Tony Dungy was decent, not on Belicheick's level

but don't get me started on old mate Foxy

 

[ausbacker]

Tony Dungy was decent, not on Belicheick's level

but don't get me started on old mate Foxy

It's hard to argue that any coach is on BB's level. TB12 and BB are an interesting mix where I honestly believe the drive and ambition of each has made the other better at their job. It's the sporting equivalent of a perfect marriage.

It'll be interesting to see what happens after Brady retires.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

Might be too late to fire Fox if we want a ring with Manning

 

[Exe Gesis]

It's not the rings that makes Brady better than Manning. It's the clutch factor and working with a revolving door of average receivers.

 

[royals1922]

I'm not sure what's worse to labor thru....Brady vs manning debates or power vs crows debates.

Which Manning you talking about. In my time Montana is the best but presently Brady has done well with sometimes average offensive players.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Which Manning you talking about. In my time Montana is the best but presently Brady has done well with sometimes average offensive players.

I'm sorry to be so belligerent on this topic but when it comes to greatest ever qb and rb, the answer is Marino and sanders and that's the end. But I appreciate people have their legitimate reasons for others.

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

The way Brady works with his guys is amazing

 

[LicoriceAllsorts]

I'm sorry to be so belligerent on this topic but when it comes to greatest ever qb and rb, the answer is Marino and sanders and that's the end. But I appreciate people have their legitimate reasons for others.

Elway and Davis thx

 

[ausbacker]

It's not the rings that makes Brady better than Manning. It's the clutch factor and working with a revolving door of average receivers.

2006 was the only season Brady had a deplorable #1. Reche Caldwell strangely enough, made some plays.

Brady's always had at least one dependable guy in his WR corp. It's typically been the slot receiver funnily enough. I guess it's the way Belichick likes to construct his team when one considers the Erhardt-Perkins system the team runs. Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Patten were a large reason why the Patriots had success during Brady's early years. When you needed a play, one of them (generally Brown) picked up the required yards. What Brady had was a decent run game and RBs who could catch and run out of the backfield.

The thing with the Patriots is the big down the field threat isn't something that necessarily fits their game plan. Belichick likes high percentage throws that minimise the risk of turnovers but also put the receivers in a position to exploit the coverages. There was a big debate as to whether to not the Patriots stuffed the pick when they passed over Des Bryant in favour of Devin McCourty (I think they got it right). I'm not sure Bryant is bright enough to pick up the requirements of the Patriots system. It's why guys like college QB Minitron, guys with a high football IQ appear to flourish with Brady despite the lack of a big, household name. It's also a large reason why Gronk is unstoppable. He sees coverages and adjusts his routes to what Brady sees.

So yeah, I can see why people would say he's had an average group because the names aren't they but maybe, just maybe, they were guys who were right for the system. There's also the fact that Tom Brady is ******* awesome and improves everyone who plays with him.

 

[Angus Young]

Big game coming up this week (Pats v packers)...could tell us a bit

Could also be superbowl preview

 

[raven echo]

I'm not sure what's worse to labor thru....Brady vs manning debates or power vs crows debates.

Rodgers is better than both of them. Debate over

 

[juice t]

2006 was the only season Brady had a deplorable #1. Reche Caldwell strangely enough, made some plays.

And he managed a big one against the #1 Chargers

 

[ausbacker]

And he managed a big one against the #1 Chargers

Troy Brown, my boy, came up huge in that game! From memory that was the interception followed by fumble recovery.

 

[Exe Gesis]

2006 was the only season Brady had a deplorable #1. Reche Caldwell strangely enough, made some plays.

Brady's always had at least one dependable guy in his WR corp. It's typically been the slot receiver funnily enough. I guess it's the way Belichick likes to construct his team when one considers the Erhardt-Perkins system the team runs. Deion Branch, Troy Brown and David Patten were a large reason why the Patriots had success during Brady's early years. When you needed a play, one of them (generally Brown) picked up the required yards. What Brady had was a decent run game and RBs who could catch and run out of the backfield.

The thing with the Patriots is the big down the field threat isn't something that necessarily fits their game plan. Belichick likes high percentage throws that minimise the risk of turnovers but also put the receivers in a position to exploit the coverages. There was a big debate as to whether to not the Patriots stuffed the pick when they passed over Des Bryant in favour of Devin McCourty (I think they got it right). I'm not sure Bryant is bright enough to pick up the requirements of the Patriots system. It's why guys like college QB Minitron, guys with a high football IQ appear to flourish with Brady despite the lack of a big, household name. It's also a large reason why Gronk is unstoppable. He sees coverages and adjusts his routes to what Brady sees.

So yeah, I can see why people would say he's had an average group because the names aren't they but maybe, just maybe, they were guys who were right for the system. There's also the fact that Tom Brady is ******* awesome and improves everyone who plays with him.

Compared to the WRs Manning has had at Colts and Broncos......huge difference.