Review Winners and Losers of the Trade Period 2022

[Young_Guns]

Gold Coast was happy. Geelong was happy. Bowes was happy.

It didn't affect any other club in any way. And there was no suggestion of underhand dealings (eg an uneven trade to convince a team not to bid on a certain player, etc). Why the hell would the AFL step in?

I wouldn’t say Gold Coast was happy. Craig Cameron was probably the only happy person around after he somehow managed to keep his job after that debacle.
I’ll never understand what he could’ve said to the higher ups at the Suns to make them believe that was anything but complete incompetence.

 

[FB19]

Gold Coast was happy. Geelong was happy. Bowes was happy.

It didn't affect any other club in any way. And there was no suggestion of underhand dealings (eg an uneven trade to convince a team not to bid on a certain player, etc). Why the hell would the AFL step in?

Potentially the worst take I’ve read here and that’s saying something. Yes suns happy to essentially be forced to lose a top 10 pick and have to add another top 10 pick to accommodate it. then watch Geelong smooth out the deal which they probably could have done themselves and kept bowes. And afl said whoever got the deal had to give a second back,
then they changed it to a third, then just let whatever happen. In a free market that’s fine but the AFL say they govern trades and this showed they don’t.
Geelong said they had wanted Bowes a long way out before the trade was done, so when suns learned that why didn’t they take pick 7 off the table as clearly unnecessary? And in all of that, Craig Cameron kept his job. Absolutely the biggest farce but what do you expect from this laughable organisation.

 

[Ash1337]

Blues won by acres boot.

 

[MisterMarcus]

I’m still filthy with the bowes deal.


I can say it is pure jealousy.

At least you're honest about it.

Other opposition supporters showing fake outrage about 'principle'.....as if they wouldn't be breaking out the kneepads to do a similar deal themselves.

 

[FB19]

At least you're honest about it.

Other opposition supporters showing fake outrage about 'principle'.....as if they wouldn't be breaking out the kneepads to do a similar deal themselves.

My outrage (see 2 posts ago) is at the afl and a bit the suns not Geelong. We needed that pick we were not fast enough to see the opportunity so well played. These days would take more than kneepads to cushion the blow (pardon the pun).

 

[juss]

Not sure how much of Geelong you watched but Bruhn's second half of the year was excellent. Early in the year I was very unconvinced. But he stepped up.

Bowes had some injury issues. But showed enough to think he can be a solid role player. Which is absolutely fine when he came with pick 7.

Bowes was the token set of steak knives you get as a promo when you buy the actual item you want.

Pick 7 was the win here, largely due to Gold Coast's incompetent management.

 

[HairyO]

At least you're honest about it.

Other opposition supporters showing fake outrage about 'principle'.....as if they wouldn't be breaking out the kneepads to do a similar deal themselves.

Every single club wanted that deal. 17 teams would have jumped at it.

But that doesnt change the fact that the Suns should have been penalised for gross incompetence and the salary dump should have been the contract.

The AFL also said they would only sign off on a 2nd round pick going back but then threw in the towel and gave up caring.

Geelong getting a great deal and incompetence by another club and the AFL are surely enough to bring outrage by others.

The worst players in this are the AFL. They were so s**t scared that no deal would happen that they let Geelong ream GCS rather than do their job and enforce there rule on all trades needing to be reasonable.

With no deal they would then have had to penalise their own club. Which would be too humiliating.

 

[Orange crush]

Every single club wanted that deal. 17 teams would have jumped at it.

But that doesnt change the fact that the Suns should have been penalised for gross incompetence and the salary dump should have been the contract.

The AFL also said they would only sign off on a 2nd round pick going back but then threw in the towel and gave up caring.

Geelong getting a great deal and incompetence by another club and the AFL are surely enough to bring outrage by others.

The worst players in this are the AFL. They were so s**t scared that no deal would happen that they let Geelong ream GCS rather than do their job and enforce there rule on all trades needing to be reasonable.

With no deal they would then have had to penalise their own club. Which would be too humiliating.

There have been a number of dodgy trades between gcs and the cats over the years … like some kind of pay back for letting gcs nab gaj

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Freo swapping Acres for O'Meara is arguably one of the worst trade moves in recent memory.

A absolute debacle Bell should apologise for

 

[Giant Pete]

Yeah from memory I was more worried about you losing Hill and Bruhn than Taranto and Hopper. You never looked thin for players who could run through midfield. But I've always rated Hill highly and give always been thin on outside players. And a talented young player like Bruhn leaving always raises question marks over retention.

But Bedford has been great and the younger players seem happier than they've ever been so the club looks in a miles better place than 12 months ago.

Nah… we’ve had “talented” young players come and go… it’s part of our reality… we have had to decide who we really wanted to keep from the outset.
Hard to argue with when you weigh up the careers of who we have kept and who we have let go.
So Bruhn going home is pretty common for us… there’s been plenty doing the same. We just do the best we can at the trade table and do well at the draft… Idun, Daniels, Taylor etc

 

[Footy Smarts]

Every single club wanted that deal. 17 teams would have jumped at it.

But that doesnt change the fact that the Suns should have been penalised for gross incompetence and the salary dump should have been the contract.

The Suns were penalised for gross incompetence. The same way Collingwood were with Treloar.

Isn't it amazing nobody thinks the AFL should've stopped the dogs getting Treloar for a song while Collingwood paid a chunk of his wage. But Geelong gets one top 10 pick for taking on a guy you all think is a spud for 4 years and all hell breaks loose.

Be honest. There's nothing underhanded going on here. You're just jealous it wasn't your club that got to bend Gold Coast over a barrel.

 

[HairyO]

The Suns were penalised for gross incompetence. The same way Collingwood were with Treloar.

Isn't it amazing nobody thinks the AFL should've stopped the dogs getting Treloar for a song while Collingwood paid a chunk of his wage. But Geelong gets one top 10 pick for taking on a guy you all think is a spud for 4 years and all hell breaks loose.

Be honest. There's nothing underhanded going on here. You're just jealous it wasn't your club that got to bend Gold Coast over a barrel.

Did Collingwood trade Treloar and their 1st round pick for a future 4th?

The Dogs traded their 1st round pick.

 

[Joao]

Salary trading is coming people, every club is going to benefit at some stage from it. Freo and Geelong were the first is all.

What will be interesting is how big of a hole a club could dig themselves giving up draft picks for cash. Could have West Coast like drop-offs on the regular in future.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Did Collingwood trade Treloar and their 1st round pick for a future 4th?

The Dogs traded their 1st round pick.

That pick was going on jamarra either way though.

 

[VinnieB]

The Suns were penalised for gross incompetence. The same way Collingwood were with Treloar.

Isn't it amazing nobody thinks the AFL should've stopped the dogs getting Treloar for a song while Collingwood paid a chunk of his wage. But Geelong gets one top 10 pick for taking on a guy you all think is a spud for 4 years and all hell breaks loose.

Be honest. There's nothing underhanded going on here. You're just jealous it wasn't your club that got to bend Gold Coast over a barrel.

At this stage you got Bowes and his large salary.
The GC pick you used hasn't really done anything as yet.

I'd say GC have done better out of it than Geelong at this stage, including a 3rd round pick they will need to match bids.

 

[VinnieB]

The Suns were penalised for gross incompetence. The same way Collingwood were with Treloar.

Isn't it amazing nobody thinks the AFL should've stopped the dogs getting Treloar for a song while Collingwood paid a chunk of his wage. But Geelong gets one top 10 pick for taking on a guy you all think is a spud for 4 years and all hell breaks loose.

Be honest. There's nothing underhanded going on here. You're just jealous it wasn't your club that got to bend Gold Coast over a barrel.

Unfortunately, the Pies have made 2 prelims since that trade.....

 

[FB19]

Salary trading is coming people, every club is going to benefit at some stage from it. Freo and Geelong were the first is all.

What will be interesting is how big of a hole a club could dig themselves giving up draft picks for cash. Could have West Coast like drop-offs on the regular in future.

Yes but that wasn’t genuine salary trading. Genuine salary trading would have led to a totally different outcome. If it was cash for pick 7 bottom clubs get the pick, which is what equalisation should be doing. cats only got it because a player had to be attached and they convinced bowes they were the best fit.

 

[BigFrizz36]

At this stage you got Bowes and his large salary.
The GC pick you used hasn't really done anything as yet.

I'd say GC have done better out of it than Geelong at this stage, including a 3rd round pick they will need to match bids.

Bowes is just average at best and he now takes up a list spot for 4 years and approx $1.6mill in cap space.

The kid taken with the pick needs to be good to make up for the Bowes impost.

There would be a fair few people who think that the Suns list and future prospects are brighter than that of the cats.

 

[Footy Smarts]

Unfortunately, the Pies have made 2 prelims since that trade.....

Yeah you've done incredibly well despite the gross incompetence in salary cap management. It says a lot about the recruiting and development that you can be up the top end despite the Treloar and Grundy contracts hurting so much.

 

[adammania9]

It's a fault in the system that Geelong were able to cop Pick 7 for picking up Bowes but being able to restructure the contract so that he wasn't on so much per season. If they wanted to offer him a four-year deal then fine, but the league should make salary dump trades to move up the draft order locked into the original salary.

 

[FootyLad0]

Bowes is just average at best and he now takes up a list spot for 4 years and approx $1.6mill in cap space.

The kid taken with the pick needs to be good to make up for the Bowes impost.

There would be a fair few people who think that the Suns list and future prospects are brighter than that of the cats.

Ahhh yes the proven list management of the current reigning Premiers who have missed Finals twice in the last 20 years is worse than the Suns management who have yet to even make a Finals series....

Do people even re-read the crap they post before posting it? lol

 

[BigFrizz36]

Ahhh yes the proven list management of the current reigning Premiers who have missed Finals twice in the last 20 years is worse than the Suns management who have yet to even make a Finals series....

Do people even re-read the crap they post before posting it? lol

Ahhh yes the old we did things well once so we can never make a mistake logic.

Do people even read posts prior to just assuming that their club is correct simply based on past results.

Once again I am more than comfortable to predict that the Suns will finish higher on the ladder than the cats next year and likely for the short term at least. That may be helped by the benefits they receive from their academy. I also simply believe that Bowes is an average footballer and that the player that you picked with the pick you received will have to be good to make up for the list spot and salary cap that you have thrown at Bowes.

To simply say "it will obviously work because we're always right and the sun's are always wrong" is the height of arrogance.

 

[MisterMarcus]

Bowes is just average at best and he now takes up a list spot for 4 years and approx $1.6mill in cap space.

The kid taken with the pick needs to be good to make up for the Bowes impost.

There would be a fair few people who think that the Suns list and future prospects are brighter than that of the cats.

At this stage you got Bowes and his large salary.
The GC pick you used hasn't really done anything as yet.

I'd say GC have done better out of it than Geelong at this stage, including a 3rd round pick they will need to match bids.

I see we've reached the 'Bargaining' stage now.....

 

[Saab NLAW]

The Suns were penalised for gross incompetence. The same way Collingwood were with Treloar.

Isn't it amazing nobody thinks the AFL should've stopped the dogs getting Treloar for a song while Collingwood paid a chunk of his wage. But Geelong gets one top 10 pick for taking on a guy you all think is a spud for 4 years and all hell breaks loose.

Be honest. There's nothing underhanded going on here. You're just jealous it wasn't your club that got to bend Gold Coast over a barrel.

I think it's the AFL's rubbery policy of now allowing clubs to effectively "buy" draft picks which is the issue, or at least it is for me. Geelong are just taking advantage of the AFL's nonsense, and it's every clubs duty to do that, to expose the AFL for the shambolic mess that they are.

It's like clubs being able to grab a top 5 pick academy talent with a bunch of 2nd or 3rd rounders. It's just plain wrong and I'm dead against it, even though my club has been one of the ones who have benefitted from it in the past with improving our draft picks through trades with the Northern clubs. The system is broken, the draft was the way to equalise the competition, not it's so distorted that it's a joke.

Power to Geelong for doing it, but the AFL are a bunch of muppets to allow it to happen.

 

[FootyLad0]

Power to Geelong for doing it, but the AFL are a bunch of muppets to allow it to happen.

This! No one raises it when other clubs do it, and nearly EVERYONE does things that shouldn't be allowed or are taking advantage of the system. People just don't like Geelong getting any benefits in a draft so rather than directing their anger and frustration at the real problem they'll blame the club that lives rent free in their head.