Why has everyman and his dog tipped Brisbane for top 4 this year??

[dtm06]

You've obviously put a bit of time and effort into your post, but perhaps you should take a leaf out of Wittgenstein: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent". There's many half-truths and blatant lies in your post, sprinkled with a couple of salient points. Just because it's long, it doesn't make it compelling.

I'm sure one of my colleagues with a bit more time of his/her hands will be able shortly to give you a fitting rebuttal.

tried to TFB. was half asleep so i hope it makes sense.

 

[Slattery_20]

What's the obsession with every bigfooty scribe putting Brisbane in the top 4 in their ladder predictor.
Now even footy experts like myself are prone to making the odd mistake here and there, but I personally can't see the Lions finish that high.

What has changed since last year that warrants such a lofty expectation:

*Johnny Brown's 2007 will be hard to replicate
*No other serious options up forward considering they want to play Bradshaw at CHB
*Travis Johnstone will not be the answer. His immaculate kicking skills are offset by his laziness and turnovers.
*Black, Power and especially Lappin are not getting any older.
*Their round 7-14 losing streak was concerning.

What are your thoughts on the Lions for 2008?

Media have a collective hard-on for Jon Brown. BF too. I'm surprised, most Hawks supporters I know love the bloke too

IMHO they rely on far too few
Brown or Charman or the big ranga Ape-man go down, they're knackered

 

[SunKing]

Solid defence
elite midfield with black,adcock,lappin,power,johnstone,ricsha and up and comers like proud
forward line with brown,bradshaw,brennan,hooper and the promising clark and henderson
charman and leuenberger in the rucks

That's a top 4 list so it's easy to see why most are tipping bris for the top 4.

 

[raskolnikov]

I don't understand all the love for Brisbane. If one side outside the top 8 last year finishes in the top 4 this year it will be St.Kilda or Freo.

 

[Grimreepah]

Also to whoever made this thread, we had a pole on the lions forum a month or so ago just for lions supporters and most thought 5-8. Just interesting to see that we're being talked up more by other teams than ourselves.

And if you look at the ladder predictions thread there seems to be more people tipping us to miss the top 4 than make it, so 'everyman and his dog' is a bit of an exaggeration.

 

[Aristotel]

*Johnny Brown's 2007 will be hard to replicate
*No other serious options up forward considering they want to play Bradshaw at CHB
*Travis Johnstone will not be the answer. His immaculate kicking skills are offset by his laziness and turnovers.
*Black, Power and especially Lappin are not getting any older.
*Their round 7-14 losing streak was concerning.

Amen to that!

Saw a couple of matches last year where Johnstone appeared to be asleep whilst playing.

Just as eventual giant-killers Collingwood were 'snoozing' when Brisbane thrashed them by 93points late in the season...

This has probably added to the hysteria.

Lions to finish 14th....

 

[William C]

Lions to finish 14th....

bahahahahahahahahahahah












hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

 

[hellfire]

A top 3-4 midfield in the country.

The best forward in the country.

An excellent ruck division.

Some fantastic youth, solid backline... it's all bound to come together... and 2008 will be the year.

 

[Slattery_20]

Charman + a 19 year old looks pretty fragile to me as far as rucks go

 

[Fevalution]

what a load of absolute crap. obviously you think by recruiting 1 good player carlton will make the 8. and richmond where will they get there big improvement from.both of these teams finished at the bottom fot the last to years, and carlton even more. i think mayb you should concentrate more about thinking what you will write than actually just typing whatever verbal diarrhoea your pea brain thinks of next its quite clear your are carlton supporter who has been saying nothing for the past 5 or so years but noW that the media is giving you a chance you actually think you are a chance of finishing top 8. YOU ARE NOOOOOOOOOOOOO CHANCE.

As Thrawn said, why was Carlton even mentioned in this thread as a rebuttal, but if you wish to, I might add. I didn't even state Carlton would 'make' the top 8, but that they are in a 8-12 area. Despite what has happened, 2008 shows that talent wise, we have a more exciting prospect than your mob does. We're not relying on the key players of the last 5 years like Brisbane still are, but now we have Judd to lead the midfield along with Stevens...both unavailable in 2007. Fevola had a bad year last year, starting from the off-season in Ireland. We had our chance to inject our youth into the game, and that experience will only help. In hindsight...Carlton can really only improve.

I think there is an element of truth to points 2, 3, 4, and bits of 1 (although I disagree on most of the specific examples and I think some of the logic is a bit flawed). Point 5 is a matter of opinion, backed up by very selective pieces of info. I disagree and think Leigh is a good coach. Point 6 is a collection half truths and lies. Also it is all negative and doesn't consider any of the positives in Brisbane's 2008 campaign.

Honest post. I know number 5 is opinion based considering my like for those players, then to see favourites playing in position, but it still is annoying that 2007 was so different to 2006, and Matthews possibly did play a role in that. As for 6, it is very touchy, however it is still something to still think about. Brisbane were forced to dislike Akermanis by the management and leader because of there individual relationships, and surely that can have an effect on those other intangiable team aspects in culture, loyalty and morale...but further to that, if you look 16 months on since the Akermanis departure, you do see Voss retiring. Surely its something that probably made you think about the wrong he had done. If Voss was as good player as some say he was (he is the best leader, but still not convincing to me he was better than Hird and Buckley), he could've played another 1/4-1/2 year. It would've been enough...his knees may have been shot, but seriously, that excuse has been going round since 1998, but he still played extraordinarily well in those last 9 years. $900,000 is just under 1/6 of a salary cap...thats around 7 players...it went to 0, but 1/2 fit Michael Voss would've been worthy enough.

And continuing on, their have been 3 dramas in this pre-season that also should be thought of, once again relating to the Aka break down. A key player retires 'selfishly' towards the team (probably a word i could describe to Voss), in that he made the decision after the draft and was immediate. The other two revolve around the strange goings of Jared Brennan and Rhan Hooper...surely raised some alarm bells, and surely makes you personally think that loyalty is down.

Oh yeah, another thing in that time...Mal Michael...forgotten all about it. He retires, to only be re-drafted and still be playing good footy for the Dons. It is not a troll, but maybe there is some questions needed to be answered... don't question my credibility...hopefully that is clear to realise where I was coming from.

 

[konstas_87]

while i'm quietly confident, i actually don't like it that every1 has chosen us as the "dark horse" of 2008, because the team that usually takes that mantle is rarely the team everybody had actually predicted.

In all honesty i think we should worry about making the 8 before even dreaming about top 4.

 

[Ron]

Good forward line.
Excellent midfield supplied by very good quality ruckmen.
Reasonable defence.
And of course - a bloke called Leigh Matthews in the box.

They had these things last year as well.

I can't see them making top four, i reckon around the 7-8 mark.

 

[MacMum]

Brisbane has the fountain of youth?

Damn!.....you have discovered our secret weapon!!!

 

[Fevalution]

lol are u serious or just taking the piss?
Next time you say stuff, try and make it at least remotely believable. That has gotta be one of the most ridiculous posts ever.

Remotely believable...do I need sources on a forum that has footy nuts who can recall the past 10 years of AFL footy? You are a follower of Brisbane and should open the other eye to acknowledge that criticism is better than none.

1) A starting midfeild of Black, Power, Lappin Adcock and Charman is not exactly what i would consider "sluggish". Johnstone won't have a tag up here so should be able to rack up the possesions. Lappin is very consistent but not our no1 mid, that's S. Black. Also once you play over 10 years, you don't suddenly become crap. look at buckley.
Also there is depth. Nowhere near as good as those players mentioned but stiller, rischitelli, brennan, selwood and co provide good rotation.

Sluggish is a word that probably is more common to show a negative side performance wise. I am not exactly saying that though. The word sluggish traditionally means S-L-O-W. The midfield is aging, and can't rely on skinny knees of Nigel Lappin...quick reflexes of Simon Black...and small legs of Luke Power, when in there 10th+ seasons of football. I know Jed Adcock is an addition, but he was far too superior as a backman, which just means there is a hole in your defence which I personally think is vulnerable. Look at Collingwood and Heath Shaw, he was to move onball possibly last year because of similar attributes of Adcock, but his consistent dominant work as a backman, not only loose to set up play but putting his body on the line and taking more contested marks than any small backman/midfielder in 2007, is too much of a loss.

As for Johnstone and a tag...how does those two words go together...I must admit, its not football season yet so i may need to recall it, but I really can't remember Johnstone being 'tagged' that often over his career. Marc Murphy has played 8-9 seasons less and been tagged more minutes than Johnstone, who accumulates possies on the wing in space because thats his role...not saying it in a negative way, just saying, 'what tag?'

I know you have midfield depth (which team doesn't), but its very similar in likes of Rischi, Selwood and Stiller, adding Sherman...they're not damaging enough but get games. Also, as for Proud, dominant, but a 1st round should...the problem i see is Leigh Matthews...where and how will he use him if your midfield is so good.

2) McDonald retiring was a big blow for us and wood wouldn't have been traded if beau had retired before trade week imo. however charman is quality and still only youngish (26ish?). Leuenberger is good and gonna be brilliant but i doubt he can hold down the no1 possy effectively this year should charman get injured. tippet, clark and bennan may be required and if this is the case then you are right, the rucks will be a big problem this year. But if charman stays injury free it won't be a problem.

Good to see you looking at both areas (despite some saying ruck is great), however Charman is young, but I still reckon he has seen his peak. He does have grunt though, but you know that if he didn't have his day spa, he may still be at the tribunal. As you really say, ANY loss of Charman should hurt.

3) I don't see why drummond would suddenly lose all of his class and not be able to play like he did this year. Don't think he was ever gonna get dropped but he is injury prone. Brennan is inconsistent yes but i think everyone knows that. Hooper had a fantastic year. His issues are well behind him i think. McGrath can go missing but he improved when put into the midfeild last year. lol i dont think colm begley is god and he isn't our defensive leader. he's still trying to make himself a regular starter. Chck your stats on merret. i think youd find he kept his direct opponents relatively quiet especially for a first year FB.
Yes our form was inconsistent but that happens with young teams and we have shown when everything clicks we are very dangerous.

I did check Merrett and his opposition stats...giving him benefit of the doubt. I am not sure he got most goals kicked on him, but surely most scored off. Even if it was his first year in defence, the Big Gingerbread Man probably gets too much credit because of his spoil stats. Mal Michael lead clearly for many years...it is a Brisbane statistic because effectively the full-back seems to train/learn that way I guess...but still gives too much away. People do rate Begley very high as he is Irish...I haven't seen anything special from him, and your the first Brisbane member on this forum that says he isn't a penciled in regular...alot rate him way to high. As for Drummond, he did play loose and collect the stats...however he didn't do too much with them in effecting the game. If an opposition coach wanted to take him out of the game, they would easily, but as i said, no real danger except fantasy points. Players like Malceski, Bowden, McLeod and Shaw brothers started to get tagged in games and did shut down there numbers...coaches just can't waste taggers in a forward line (Copeland is one) where they have a (newly named just then) Jarrad McVeigh role

4) Bradshaw, Clark and Brennan should be able to provide adequate assitance. Obviously if brown goes down there is a big hole in the forward line but that just shows how good he is. I imagine Carlton would find it hard if Fev went down. Also Bradshaw is a proven 50+ goal kicker and despite his knee reco should be able to kick a few. And why the hell does it matter if he's over 30? you gotta get this thing out of your head that 30 y/o players aren't good enough.

The thing is, Brennan and Clark did give assistance to Brown 'at times', meaning they are capable and have been for a long time, but do it rarely and do it at wrong times...Clark kicked 5 in losing game, Brennan's only real big match when he bagged 7 was over-shadowed by a team effort. Carlton would find it hard without Fev, but have Waite and Fisher who both kicked more goals than Brennan in as many/less games...that is why we are rated like you...both finished outside the 8...we had 5 wins, you had 9

Bradshaw is not gonna lose his skills...but recovery won't be immediate. The age is concerning the knee injury, and Bradshaw's durability has been shattered in possibly last three-four years. On top of that, he is a key still to you guys because his versatility, and the club is still relying on him to come back and dominate. People like North fans arent mentioning Thommo's comeback, because they understand the situation.

5) sherman was injured and struggled to reclaim his form. should be in for a good 08. brennan is inconsistent but i don't see what this has to do with leigh matthews. as for moody i don't know what has gone on with him. has never really performed but i bet if there was one man to get him to play his best footy it would be matthews.

I said Sherminator was injured, but he still got limited game time when he hit his straps. He was left out when despite the injury he could still be placed in the guts or a more damaging position, rather than bench. Moody has shown enough but consistently goes in and out...surely confidence breaking...plus the limited gametime. Brennan was mentioned due to Leigh constantly shuffling him around the ground. He is a no.3 draft pick, but Matthews would switch him round so many times. I saw him in the back half shortly after his run of goals late in the season at the MCG.

6) the aker saga was well over a year ago now. i can't speak for anyone but me but i was ok with him leaving and i can understand why jb was so upset because he has so much pride in the club. I think you'll find the players were united on this issue. Sounds like pretty good culture.
Voss leaving has nothing to do with culture. His body had given all it could and he did the right thing leaving as a champ rather than playing on another year and denying a younger player more experience. To suggest he needed to stay on another year to be considered to be better tan hird and buckley is stupid. buckley hardly played a game last year!
Mcdonalds body as gone. he retired coz he could give no more. It would've been nice if hadly stayed but he was in and out of the side and needed a fresh start and i think most people could appreciate that. already spoke about hooper and brennan.

Read my last reply to Grim about my reasonings on that point

 

[bradrowe#32]

They're incredibly over-rated.

 

[Fevalution]

A top 3-4 midfield in the country.

Better than Brisbane's

WCE - Kerr, Priddis, Braun, Stenglein, Fletcher etc. is better
CARL - Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Carrazzo, Gibbs, Bentick, Simpson, Walker
STK - Dal Santo, Hayes, Ball, Montagna, Armitage, Harvey
ADEL - Goodwin, Thompson, Edwards, Knights, Van Berlo, Shirley, Reilly
GEEL - Bartel, Ablett, Chapman, Corey, Ling, Kelly, Enright, Prismall
HAW - Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Crawford, Sewell, Young, Tuck
PORT - K Cornes, C Cornes, Salopek, S Burgoyne, Cassisi, Pearce
DOGS - West, Cross, Cooney, Boyd, Gia, Akermanis, Griffen, Ray

ARE ALL BETTER

The best forward in the country.

J Brown is the no.1 forward, however...he is ONE of SIX in a forward line. Fremantle's Pavlich, Tarrant and Farmer will be hard to match in 2008 after a forgettful 2007..thats 2 1/2 of Brown

An excellent ruck division.

Are you talking about Brisbane or another team? Charman, Leuenberger ... umm ...who else? NO-ONE... If one gets injured they will need to promote Tippett (194cm) from rookie list, and if that is not an option, then...umm, Bradshaw and Clark are there back up... WOW... even Collingwoods division is BETTER in Fraser, Wood, Bryan and Thoolen...and thats possibly still the worst (excluding Pattison and Simmons leading tigers).

Some fantastic youth

Henderson played FF without Brown...didnt get a kick in the other two matches he played, already over-rated me thinks. Proud is a 1st round as is Leuen-yet to hit out to advantage-berger. Clark is injury prone, Collier goes alright, Begley over-rated big time...is a good list of youth...but...everyones youth looks good

solid backline

Hardly...Roe gets left out of Lions fans best 22...and he is their second best. They have Merrett, Patfull, Roe, Bradshaw (maybe), Begley, Mills, MacDonald, Drummond... wayyyy to vulnerable

 

[Hollow Knight]

It appears Fevalution is a name whore.

If he hasn't heard of a player, they must be no good.

By the way, Daniel Merret outperformed Mal Michael by a significant margin last year.

Writing a lot of text may make you look insightful but your posts are full of glaring inaccuracies (especially the Begley comment... wtf was that about). I may have also misread part of it but did you say Voss retired selfishly? He played for years without knee cartilage... the fact that he stuck around and played in great pain when the glory years were over was incredibly unselfish.

Pro tip: Watch more football.

By the way, I don't think we are are by any means a certainty for top 4.

6-11th seems about right.

 

[Kochie 16]

This is IMPOSSIBLE for me to see. I have actually rated them bottom six for a finish, but looking at their list and expectations compared with others it could be worse.

There are say 5-6 teams expected to be certain top eight finishes (Collingwood, Geelong, Hawthorn, Kangaroos, Port Adelaide, West Coast). I've then thrown in Fremantle to once again have a shot at the flag like last year, even though what happened...simply showing them as the improvers. Fighting out the last spot in the eight is very difficult, but I just don't rate Brownbane. These teams are Adelaide, Carlton, Essendon, St Kilda and Western Bulldogs, along with Brisbane capable of eighth spot.

Also, looking at the lists, Richmond have a solid chance in being better than Brisbane...and my wooden spoon prediction of Melbourne are capable due to their bad luck last year.

So...why don't I rate Brisbane a chance?

1) Their list - Travis Johnstone arrives into an already sluggish midfield that has seen better days. Johnstone is into his 11th year, and has seen his peak, which should've been higher as a no.1 draft pick. Nigel Lappin was one of their best and consistent players last year, he is well into his thirties now, and can't be the no.1 midfielder...as for another elite player in Simon Black, well, he may have come runner up in the Brownlow, but injured pre-season and also into double digits for years at the senior level may play a part. As for their depth, its ordinary for my liking. Too many inconsistency across players.

2) Ruckman - They've lost Beau McDonald after the drafts, and before the season starts...he was still valuable to their structure. They traded Cameron Wood to the Pies and got an aged midfielder in return. Matthew Leuenberger is good, but had only 6% HOA last year over the whole season...thats 6 every 100 hitouts...1/2 the ruckman get 7 a game. Jamie Charman...well, he's had his prime too and will squeeze out...his agression is good, but stupid...like a Chris Bryan.

3) Inconsistency - Josh Drummond was very good last year, amazingly good playing like Joel Bowden...but this kid is surely no chance to continue that form...he was on the cut list quarter through the season. Jared Brennan didn't want to play football anymore...he played only 4 good games of footy last year anyway, out of 21. Rhan Hooper goes the same...he didnt sign at first, but he is in their best 22, but can't be relied on...as well as in the same team as Ashley McGrath, who may kick a goal every game, but another who can't be relied on. Colm Begley is god up in QLD...don't know why, he's pretty much there defensive leader know that Adcock has been forced to make the midfield look quicker and more efficient. Daniel Merrett gets praised for holding down FB and having the most spoils...as well as having the most scored off him last year.

There form could also be called inconsistent...won first two...lost next two...won next two...then didn't win between rnds 7-13 (7 games without a win)..then won five on the trot...the didnt win the last four games (notice anything?)

4) One man show - Jonathan Brown played a full-season and Brisbane still didnt make the finals...if he breaks down, then there buggered. He is the no.1 forward target in the game. Having a 30 yo veteran in Bradshaw to return as a utility doesn't exactly provide assistance..he is coming off a reco, playing since 1997, his 12th year coming up. As for Henderson...surely you can't require a man to be a key to success in his first year, he still isn't a Forward, but a Utility. He impressed NAB Cup as he had the ball sent to him 20 times, but has failed in the other two PS games.

5) Leigh Matthews - I thought Jared Brennan, Justin Sherman and Matthew Moody would be gun players now...but Brennan is inconsistent and never strung 3 games together in his career as he gets swapped around every month. Shermans career (dw bout his injury scare) has been possibly stuffed by Matthews...he comes 2nd in b & f, then disappears to play no game time. As for Moody...Brisbane fans hate him, Matthews obviously has his favourites...and if there was more care, this kid would be best 22 in most teams...and he is for Brisbane, but they don't see it.

6) Culture - Is it stuffed? Akermanis, one of the greats, gets kicked out because he can write...yet Brown has a loud mouth and does ridiculous attention seeking things on TFS. Voss absolutely roots the clubs financial situation with a back end contract...if he was better than Buckley and Hird he would've played that year and atleast be loyal enough to get paid for $900,000 for something...instead he probably got another $200-300k on Channel 10 ($1,200,000 for nothing). Then Beau McDonald walks to screw the side...oh yeah, lets not forget that Richard Hadley didn't sign...Jared Brennan disappeared and Rhan Hooper almost retired

I can't see the Lions making the eight...maybe even top ten

1.) Of course our Midfield has seen better days, we had the 'fab 5', arguably the best midfield combination ever! These days we have 3 of the 5 left, but is still a very good & competitive midfield. Johnstone (like Brennan) isn't the most consistent player going around but he is highly skilled and a quality midfielder. Since when was Lappin our No.1 midfielder? Simon Black Has been our top midfielder for quite a while now and can have far more of an influence than Lappin does these days. All due respect to Lappin, we all know he's heading towards the twilight of his career, but he's still playing A grade footy (just like Bucks did in his post 30 days).

2.) This is the one area we now have a problem in, If Charman goes down then we're stuffed in the ruck department.

3.) What evidence is their that Drummond won't be as good (if not better) than he was last season? Colm Begley a god? He struggles to get a spot in our top 22! And where the hell do you get the idea bout Merret conceding the most goals in '07? If i remember correctly he conceded less than 2 goals a game on average and had no more than 4 kicked on him in any game.

4.) You need to watch more Brisbane games, We're more like a 3-4 man show. If anyone of Jamie Charman, Jonathan Brown, Daniel Merret & Simon Black goes down we are pretty much stuffed.

5.) Go play in the traffic! Brennan has the bad game from time to time we all know that, but he still got selected every game except for 1 game and consistent performances for the majority of the last 9 rounds. Sherman's Career stuffed, the same could be said for Chris Judd when Worsfold played him even when he was clearly injured, and as far as I know he's still playing footy and so is Sherman! We played Sherman for 12 of the first 13 rounds and he was well below par and barely touching the footy, let alone put it to good use. Major confidence issues with him last season and hopefully he has recovered from them. And as for Moody the only Club that he'd get an instant top 22 selection is at Carlton! From the way you were raving on about him I seriously doubt you have watched him play in 2007 at all, IMO he is the biggest Hack going around and I'm very surprised he's still employed by the club!

6.) Aker got traded cos he shot his mouth off a bit too much this time rounds and the club had to do something about it. Voss retiring has nothing to do with his credibility or the club's culture. His body was absolutely knackered when he decided to retire, he still rates up there with Bucks & Hird, despite retiring and getting paid for the last year of his contract. Hadley got traded, Brennan re-signed and Hooper is still a player for the Brisbane lions so who cares?

 

[Kochie 16]

Better than Brisbane's

WCE - Kerr, Priddis, Braun, Stenglein, Fletcher etc. is better
CARL - Judd, Stevens, Murphy, Carrazzo, Gibbs, Bentick, Simpson, Walker
STK - Dal Santo, Hayes, Ball, Montagna, Armitage, Harvey
ADEL - Goodwin, Thompson, Edwards, Knights, Van Berlo, Shirley, Reilly
GEEL - Bartel, Ablett, Chapman, Corey, Ling, Kelly, Enright, Prismall
HAW - Hodge, Mitchell, Lewis, Crawford, Sewell, Young, Tuck
PORT - K Cornes, C Cornes, Salopek, S Burgoyne, Cassisi, Pearce
DOGS - West, Cross, Cooney, Boyd, Gia, Akermanis, Griffen, Ray

ARE ALL BETTER

Really I'd only rate 4 of those teams better, the other 4 (the Highlighted teams) We are either equal to (Port, Crows & WCE) or better (Carlton).

The only creditably players Carlton have in their midfield is Judd & Stevens, the rest are up & coming youngster will talent.

Brisbane: Black, Power, Lappin, Adcock, Johnstone, Stiller, ect

 

[Kochie 16]

Pro tip: Watch more football.

Even better tip: Watch a team play some games (more than 2 games) before commenting on them! That way you won't look like an idiot!

 

[Grimreepah]

And continuing on, their have been 3 dramas in this pre-season that also should be thought of, once again relating to the Aka break down. A key player retires 'selfishly' towards the team (probably a word i could describe to Voss), in that he made the decision after the draft and was immediate. The other two revolve around the strange goings of Jared Brennan and Rhan Hooper...surely raised some alarm bells, and surely makes you personally think that loyalty is down.

Yeah I still think you're talking nonsense. Beau kept breaking down in the preseason and retired because his body was shot. Richmond made a big play for Hooper and he stayed at Brisbane. Brennan was a bit of a battle but ultimately he stayed as well. Other players were targeted and they stayed too.

 

[#1 Dogs Fan]

What's the obsession with every bigfooty scribe putting Brisbane in the top 4 in their ladder predictor.
Now even footy experts like myself are prone to making the odd mistake here and there, but I personally can't see the Lions finish that high.

What has changed since last year that warrants such a lofty expectation:

*Johnny Brown's 2007 will be hard to replicate
*No other serious options up forward considering they want to play Bradshaw at CHB
*Travis Johnstone will not be the answer. His immaculate kicking skills are offset by his laziness and turnovers.
*Black, Power and especially Lappin are not getting any older.
*Their round 7-14 losing streak was concerning.

What are your thoughts on the Lions for 2008?

If that is the case i want all three at the Dogs on a 30 year contract each

 

[Kochie 16]

If that is the case i want all three at the Dogs on a 30 year contract each

Not gonna happen, the 'fab 3' will never die out!

 

[huggy_b]

Not gonna happen, the 'fab 3' will never die out!

its those IV drips and coolrooms I tell ya!

 

[Kochie 16]

its those IV drips and coolrooms I tell ya!

Ssshhh, the 'other teams' might figure our secret out!