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1) Geelong has currently taken the least time to accumulate their last 100 wins and the most time to accumulate their last 100 losses.


2) Three teams have taken 5 more years for their last 100 wins than Geelong and 1 team 6 years.


3) Brisbane and Collingwood have got their last 100 wins from the same number of matches.


4) St Kilda is the only Melbourne based team not to have lost 100 matches this century.



5) Fremantle is the only non-Victorian team not to win 100 matches this century.
(4 Victorian teams also haven’t.)


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1. A Thrilling Arvo

In Round 13, 1938, four games ended in one point victories. Essendon defeated Collingwood (Ess 17.17.119 d Coll 17.16.118), Melbourne defeated Hawthorn (Mel 9.16.70 d Haw 10.9.69), Geelong defeated St.Kilda (Geel 14.20.104 d St.K 15.13.103), and North Melbourne defeated their Southern counterparts (North 13.18.96 d South 14.11.95). 3 of the winners were innacurate kickers.

2. Luck of the Draw

The first two rounds of 1911 had three draws. In the opening round, Carlton drew with Essendon 45-45. One week later, Carlton drew AGAIN, 66-66, to South Melbourne, while Bert Whittington had the chance to win the game for Geelong after the siren against Melbourne, but missed, giving a 54-54 draw. These were the only draws for the year.

3. A bad career

Tom Allen (Richmond) might as well have the worst start to his short career. In Round 14, 1949, he debuted against North Melbourne. Out of Richmond's 8.24, he contributed a lovely 0.11. He kicked more behinds in that match than goals in his whole career. Would have been a great game if he got 11 goals instead. Stuart Spencer (Melbourne) followed suite seven years later against Geelong, kicking 11 behinds as well, and no goals.

4. Ten goals, and they lose?

Gary Ablett's 1993 year in goalkicking was strange. In Round Six, Ablett nabbed fourteen goals, but they lost by 4 goals. In Round Thirteen Ablett kicked ten goals against Adelaide (with champion Modra kicking just 1), and they lost by 20. Two weeks later, Ablett was to kick 11 straight against Melbourne, but Melbourne won by 14 anyway.

19, A Good Goalkicker's Day Out.

Round 19 looks rather popular with one man goalkicking feats. Fred Fanning kicked 18.1 against St.Kilda in Round 19, 1947. Peter McKenna kicked 16.4 in Round 19, 1969. Tony Lockett bombed 16 straight against Fitzroy in Round 19, 1995, and one year later, in the same round, Jason Dunstall kicked 14.2
 
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  1. The last draw in Round 9 was fifty years ago in 1960, between Richmond (last that year) and Geelong (ninth of twelve)
  2. 11 goals 17 to 12 goals 11 (83 points each) is the most frequently occurring drawn score, with four occurrences in:
    1. 1944 (first of two successive draws between Fitzroy and Essendon)
    2. 1950 (St. Kilda’s first points at Princes Park since 1924)
    3. 1960 (the above game)
    4. 1980 (where St. Kilda avoided the wooden spoon by drawing with North Melbourne)
  3. The three biggest losing margins by a team winning the last three quarters are all against the Swans, with the two biggest being in finals, viz:
    1. by Footscray in the 1997 Third Qualifying Final (35 points)
    2. by Collingwood in the 1932 First-Semi-Final (26 points)
    3. the third (and biggest in a home-and-away game) was by Geelong in 1993
      1. equalling a record of 25 points by Geelong against Carlton in Round 15, 1934
  4. Since the last time a team was goalless at three-quarter time (West Coast against Footscray in 1992), seventeen AFL teams have been goalless at half-time.
  5. Essendon, Footscray, Geelong, North Melbourne, Port Adelaide and St. Kilda alone have never failed to score a goal in the first half since 1993. Sydney did so twice in 1997 alone.
 

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Round 9 2010.

1) Only the third match St Kilda has won were both teams scored equal goals and behinds. Previous: 8.8-56 v Essendon 7.7-49 round 8 1966, 17.17-119 v Hawthorn 8.8-56 round 15 1967.

2) First time Hawthorn has defeated Carlton when they were 9 places above them on the ladder.

3) First time Adelaide has won a match by 2 goals exactly.

4) Melbourne v Port Adelaide: Only the 5th time a team has had a lead of 33 pts. or more at 3/4 time and only won by 1 point. Previous: Round 9 1960 Essendon 13.10-88 v Sydney/SM 12.15.87 (3/4 time lead 34 pts.), round 19 2002 Geelong 16-6-102 v St Kilda 15.11-101 (3/4 time lead 38 pts.), Richmond 12.13-85 v Sydney/SM 12.12-84 (3/4 time lead 33 pts.), round 15 2009 Collingwood 17.9-111 v WB/Footscray 16.14-110 (3/4 time lead 34 pts.)

5) Geelong now has the highest percentage for a team on 7 wins and 2 losses since Collingwood in 1958.


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mianfei said:
Sydney did so twice in 1997 alone.[/LIST]
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Was one of them that game against Freo that had horrible weather?

EDIT: Could have been. Funnily enough we won the game after qtr time. Freo kicked 4.6 in the first quarter and only managed 2.6 for the rest of the game. (Swans kicked 3.12 :p)
 
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Connor7395 said:
Stuart Spencer (Melbourne) followed suite seven years later against Geelong, kicking 11 behinds as well, and no goals.
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Over the space of three weeks that year including that match he kicked 0.18!
 
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What do Melbourne, Collingwood, Richmond, Essendon and Carlton have in common?

Want a clue? Look at the list below....

1900 - Melbourne
1910 - Collingwood
1920 - Richmond
1930 - Collingwood
1940 - Melbourne
1950 - Essendon
1960 - Melbourne
1970 - Carlton
1980 - Richmond
1990 - Collingwood
2000 - Essendon

Yes these are the only teams to have won a Premiership at the start of the decade. So judging by the teams so far this year... and as much as I hate to say it... it looks like the Magpies will be take home the bacon this year... unless Carlton can do a repeat of 1970... but that's just as bad :p

Will any club be able to break this trend from these five clubs this year?
 
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Ed_Gein said:
Was one of them that game against Freo that had horrible weather?

EDIT: Could have been. Funnily enough we won the game after qtr time. Freo kicked 4.6 in the first quarter and only managed 2.6 for the rest of the game. (Swans kicked 3.12 :p)
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It certainly was. I have read about the weather in Perth at that time and thirty-six millimetres of rain fell that night. Given that Perth, I have read, averages about three hours of rain per rainy day, the rain might have been very heavy.

In the first years of West Coast, Melbourne-based teams discovered to their cost that, owing to the sandy soils, playing in the rain in Perth is nothing like playing in the rain in Melbourne (which to me is further argument against indoor stadiums like Docklands because the variety lost is still greater than it would be if all grounds played the same way in the rain). A classic case comes from comparing the following two games between the Eagles and the Bulldogs:

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June 14, 1991    WACA

[COLOR=Blue]West Coast[/COLOR]    7-3  10-8   21-10  25-15  165    
[COLOR=Blue]Footscray[/COLOR]     0-2   2-3    3-3    7-5   47

23 August, 1992    Western Oval

[COLOR=Blue]Footscray[/COLOR]     3-5   4-6    6-10   7-11  53    
[COLOR=Blue]West Coast[/COLOR]    0-0   0-2    0-2    3-5   23
Apart from Footscray kicking seven goals, there seems nothing in common, but the weather for both games was essentially the same: strong winds and driving rain.

The difference is that on the sandy Perth soils rain drains off and does not form mud, so that players are never going to become bogged even if the rain is very heavy. On the clay soils of the Victorian Volcanic Plain, however, rain (which is actually generally much lighter than in a Perth winter) stays in the ground and forms mud when compacted even by moderate use like the Western Oval had. The result was that moving the ball becomes very difficult, and defensive football based around skilled backmen - the style with which the Eagles and Blues won their premierships in the period those games were played - loses its effectiveness completely.
 
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Good point Mianfrei, and along the same lines were the Kangaroos, who in the Carey era were peerless in wet (but not muddy) conditions. The kick it long tactic and Carey in an open forward line made their style very hard to beat, Geelong had a good record against the Roos of the 90's but notably two games (qualifying final 1997 and Rd 5 2001 at Skilled) the Kangas easily outplayed Geelong in conditions such as this. Maybe because of being more of a possession style, Geelong seem to be better when there is a bit of mud about. Although the paucity of rain in Geelong over the last few years makes this a moot point (a few exceptions like Bris and Freo in 2004).
 
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Most minor premierships in the reserves competition (1919-1999)

Geelong (13) 1923, 1924, 1930, 1937, 1938, 1948, 1960, 1963, 1964, 1975, 1980, 1981, 1982
Melbourne (12) 1931, 1932, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1939, 1949, 1956, 1969, 1970, 1984, 1993
Richmond (9) 1929, 1946, 1954, 1955, 1966, 1971, 1973, 1977, 1997
Carlton (8) 1926, 1927, 1928, 1951, 1953, 1986, 1987, 1990
Essendon (8) 1921, 1941, 1950, 1952, 1968, 1983, 1992, 1999
Collingwood (7) 1919, 1920, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1965, 1976
North Melbourne (7) 1947, 1957, 1967, 1978, 1979, 1995, 1996
Footscray (6) 1936, 1945, 1962, 1988, 1994, 1998
Hawthorn (4) 1958, 1959, 1972, 1985
Fitzroy (3) 1944, 1974, 1989
St. Kilda (3) 1942, 1943, 1961
Brisbane Bears (1) 1991
South/Sydney (0)
 
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Most wooden spoons in the reserves competition (1919-1999)

St. Kilda (16) 1924, 1926, 1927, 1938, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1970, 1971, 1975, 1978, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1994
Hawthorn (12) 1925, 1928, 1929, 1932, 1941, 1943, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951
North Melbourne (12) 1930, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1942, 1956, 1960, 1969
South/Sydney (10) 1939, 1961, 1963, 1968, 1973, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992
Fitzroy (8) 1950, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1995
Melbourne (5) 1923, 1944, 1974, 1980, 1997
Essendon (4) 1959, 1966, 1967, 1977
Richmond (4) 1919, 1958, 1990, 1996
Carlton (2) 1957, 1999
Collingwood (2) 1982, 1986
Geelong (2) 1993, 1998
Leopold (2) 1921, 1922
Footscray (1) 1981
West Melbourne (1) 1920
 
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  1. The 200-point aggregate barrier was first broken in Round 13 (1909), the 250-point barrier in Round 12 (1930) and the 300-point barrier in Round 10 (1940). A strange pattern or a round too early for Melbourne and Geelong?
  2. Round 10 of 1970 has proved the closest round since 1951. The most decisive win was seventeen points - yet Collingwood trailed St. Kilda by sixty points, or more than the combined winning margin of all the games, during the second quarter.
  3. Round 10, 1982 is the only round where every team scored a century. (It is ironic that Melbourne could have won with fewer goals had Barassi Sr. been accurate in 1940 and did win with fewer goals in 1982)
  4. The fewest equal goals was in a match between South Melbourne and Fitzroy in shockingly cold weather (10˚C) in Round 10 of 1908. South won 2.19 to 2.6!
  5. St. Kilda did not win in Round 10 from 1973 to 1988, and South Melbourne did not win in Round 10 from 1960 to 1975, after which they beat a St. Kilda side that kicked 3.22 with the wind at Moorabbin.
 

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Youngest team (in which ages of all players are known): Footscray, R8 1959 - 20.69 years
Oldest team: Richmond, R15 1923 - 28.21 years
Shortest team (in which heights of all players are known): Carlton, R15, SF, PF & GF 1915 - 174.6cm
Tallest team: Essendon, R22 2007 - 190.5cm (Sheedy's final game as coach)
First team to have more handballs than kicks: Sydney, R12 1993 (a very poor team - should've rung alarm bells!)

Team winning percentages in relation to leading goalkickers:
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[FONT=Courier New]LG Plyd  Won Lost Dr   Win%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]---------------------------[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]0   24    0   24  0   0.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]1 1127  129  987 11  11.9%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]2 5049 1311 3675 63  26.6%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]3 7428 3116 4223 89  42.5%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]4 5921 3354 2500 67  57.2%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]5 3717 2478 1204 35  67.1%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]6 1992 1444  537 11  72.8%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]7 1014  814  196  4  80.5%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="white"].[/COLOR]8  519  413  101  5  80.1%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New][COLOR="White"].[/COLOR]9  239  198   40  1  83.1%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]10  119  107   12  0  89.9%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]11   75   70    5  0  93.3%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]12   38   37    1  0  97.4%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]13   15   15    0  0 100.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]14   10    9    1  0  90.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]15    4    4    0  0 100.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]16    4    4    0  0 100.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]17    2    2    0  0 100.0%[/FONT]
[FONT=Courier New]18    1    1    0  0 100.0%[/FONT]
 
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worbod said:
Most wooden spoons in the reserves competition (1919-1999)

St. Kilda (16) 1924, 1926, 1927, 1938, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1970, 1971, 1975, 1978, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1994
Hawthorn (12) 1925, 1928, 1929, 1932, 1941, 1943, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951
North Melbourne (12) 1930, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1942, 1956, 1960, 1969
South/Sydney (10) 1939, 1961, 1963, 1968, 1973, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992
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Posts I have written about South’s missed relocation opportunities and early VFL market interference, you will see I have argued that, both economically and in playing strength, there was an overwhelming case in 1925 to only admit Footscray. Your results of the Reserves competition clearly show just how much Hawthorn and North Melbourne were not in the 1920s remotely viable as League clubs. (When revenue-sharing came, it merely transferred their problems to Fitzroy and South Melbourne as those clubs lost their working-class supporter bases!)

St. Kilda in the 1930s were exactly like Fitzroy in the 1980s: fairly successful on the field, but threatened constantly by severe debts that teh club was unable to pay though its players remained essentially amateurs. The Saints’ 1939 successes over Carlton and Richmond who had probably ten times as much money must rank as one of the greatest “David v Goliath” stories in Australian sport. At the time, those who did not understand St. Kilda’s parlous financial state thought they were in for a run of on-field success, but in reality St. Kilda could not afford the on-field success it was having for most of the 1930s, and the club had to accept the non-replacement of its top players just to survive financially in the 1940s. The notable thing is how St. Kilda and Hawthorn, owing to their noncompetitive culture, were able to (at least relatively) willingly accept extremely low win percentages to reduce debts. Fitzroy, with their union-based working-class culture that had by the 1960s disappeared from the general population, could never do this even when survival depended thereon.
 
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worbod said:
Most wooden spoons in the reserves competition (1919-1999)

St. Kilda (16) 1924, 1926, 1927, 1938, 1952, 1953, 1954, 1955, 1970, 1971, 1975, 1978, 1984, 1985, 1989, 1994
Hawthorn (12) 1925, 1928, 1929, 1932, 1941, 1943, 1945, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1951
North Melbourne (12) 1930, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1935, 1936, 1937, 1940, 1942, 1956, 1960, 1969
South/Sydney (10) 1939, 1961, 1963, 1968, 1973, 1983, 1987, 1988, 1991, 1992
Fitzroy (8) 1950, 1962, 1964, 1965, 1972, 1976, 1979, 1995
Melbourne (5) 1923, 1944, 1974, 1980, 1997
Essendon (4) 1959, 1966, 1967, 1977
Richmond (4) 1919, 1958, 1990, 1996
Carlton (2) 1957, 1999
Collingwood (2) 1982, 1986
Geelong (2) 1993, 1998
Leopold (2) 1921, 1922
Footscray (1) 1981
West Melbourne (1) 1920
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I'm assuming you have access to more stats about the reserves? Would be interested in getting my hands on some more of the Melbourne related stuff.
 
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Some records set in the Port v Richmond match today:
- Port's lowest AFL score (3.12.30)
- most tackles by a team (142)
- most tackles in a match (258)
- lowest crowd for an AFL match at AAMI Stadium (16,694)
 
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Check on Melbourne's 1991 season.

Only scored 2 goals in Round 1 against W.C

Kicked a barrage of 27 against Fitzroy a week later.

Kicked 21.19 (145) Against St.Kilda in Round 3 and still lost.

In Round 4, they trailed by 34 at quarter time against the Blues, kicked 8 goals in the second quarter to trail by five points, kicked 3 goals in the third quarter and trailed by 14, and then went on a training run to kick 11 last quarter goals and smash Carlton by 45. Mil Hanna still kicked eight goals for the Blues.

In Round 5, they equalled their highest scoring record with 28.14 (182) against the same club when they had done it back in 1986.

Between Rounds 4-7, the scoring range for the 3 losing sides to Melbourne was just 3 points. Carlton's score was 110, North's score was 112, and Brisbane was 113. Notably, the week before, Melbourne scored 113 against the Magpies.

Melbourne had a bye in Round 9, and collapsed to lose 5 in a row. They lost to Adelaide by 34, Essendon and Richmond by 6, 30 by Geelong and 50 by Hawthorn.

In Round 15, they thrashed Sydney 174 to 97.

Melbourne then lost to West Coast by a better margin (24) and smashed Fitzroy.

Melbourne snuck home by a point against the Saints. Melbourne placed 7th while the Saints 6th. They won by 2 goals against Carlton and placed 7th. They smashed North again and placed 7th. However they lost to Collingwood and FINALLY moved a spot (8th). Melbourne won to Brisbane but still were 8th. In their final game against Footscray, they scraped home and placed 7th after 23 rounds, and were to have a bye.

In the last round, a Collingwood win would knock Melbourne to 6th. Collingwood lost to Geelong and Melbourne placed 4th after all.

They were eventually to win to Essendon and lose to the Eagles by the same margins. 38 points.

That sums up a pretty funny season for the Dees.
 
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Connor7395 said:
Check on Melbourne's 1991 season.

Only scored 2 goals in Round 1 against W.C
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Ridiculous that three of our top five biggest scores of all time come in a year that started with that performance.

I also believe his sole appearance in the Round 1 game may have made Phil Egan the lowest total scoring player in club history.
 
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Round 10 – 2010

1) Only the 2nd time that Hawthorn has defeated Sydney/SM by under 3 points. Previous: Round 15 1959, 10.3-63 v 8.14-62.

2) Brisbane's combined total score v Collingwood is now 496 goals and 496 behinds.

3) 727 pts: Adelaide's lowest ever points tally from 10 rounds. Previous: 762 in 1995.

4) Richmond is still yet to win a 3rd quarter since round 10 2009.

5) Essendon v Western Bulldogs: There have only been 3 other matches where both teams scored exactly 8 goals each and 6 of fewer behinds between them in a 2nd half. Round 18 1994 - Essendon 8.3 v St Kilda 8.0, round 2 1958 - Collingwood 8.4-52 v Hawthorn 8.2-50, round 3 1942 - Essendon 8.3-51 v Carlton 8.1-49.


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You often hear the stat that 1pt is the most common margin in VFL/AFL history. Is this actually true? Can't remember anybody having posted this stat in this thread but could somebody with a funky database please give us the top 5 or 10 most common margins?

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Supermercado said:
You often hear the stat that 1pt is the most common margin in VFL/AFL history. Is this actually true? Can't remember anybody having posted this stat in this thread but could somebody with a funky database please give us the top 5 or 10 most common margins?

Thanks!
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1897 - round 10 2010


  1. 1 pt. 308 times
  2. 5 pts. 298 times
  3. 2 pts. 294 times
  4. 6 pts. 287 times
  5. 9 pts. 284 times
  6. 11 pts. 277 times
  7. 16 pts. 273 times
  8. 3 pts. 269 times
  9. 15 pts. 267 times
  10. 10 pts. and 17 pts. 265 times

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250th win with fewer goals

Notable facts:

  1. Hawthorn’s win over Sydney yesterday was the two hundred and fiftieth match where the winning team has scored fewer goals than the losing team. Hawthorn itself had never beaten Sydney/South Melbourne with fewer goals before, however. In fact, this was only Hawthorn’s tenth win with fewer goals since entering the VFL.
  2. This 250th win with fewer goals occurred on the 38th anniversary (by round) of Hawthorn breaking the longest run of games without winning with fewer goals: 555 games from Round 2, 1943 to Round 9, 1972
  3. Footscray needs to play about 115 more games to beat Hawthorn’s record, having not won with fewer goals since Round 8, 1989 against Fitzroy (8.16 to 9.9)
  4. Carlton has not lost with more goals since Round 16 of 1991 when North Melbourne beat them 13.17 to 14.5, but they are only about halfway to beating Collingwood’s record of 891 games without losing with more goals from late 1917 to early 1964
  5. South Melbourne themselves did not lose with more goals in 653 games between 1901 and 1938. Though this is only their third loss with more goals since 1980, their biggest sequence without one was only 308 matches from 1980 to 1994 (the match where Lockett was outed for eight weeks after my relatives shouted “five weeks” in response to his striking Peter Caven).
Round 11, which in the days of the 12-club competition marked the point at which the clubs had played each other once, has some interesting facets about it:
  1. Round 11 is the first round with no 30-goal scores. The only others among the 22 rounds constant since 1970 are Rounds 12, 15 and 19.
  2. Round 11 has had the fewest 100-point wins of any of the 22 rounds constant since 1970, with only five, and none since 1977
  3. Round 11 of 1959 saw Collingwood become the only team to win consecutive matches where it led at each change by successively smaller margins
  4. Round 11 of 1969 saw an average score of 115 points, which was the highest average until Round 2 of 1976 and beat the longstanding record of Round 2 of 1939.
  5. No team has suffered eleven consecutive losses in Round 11 that did not begin with their entry to the competition. North Melbourne did not win Round 11 until 1938; St. Kilda not before 1908
 
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RogersResults said:
1897 - round 10 2010


  1. 1 pt. 308 times
  2. 5 pts. 298 times
  3. 2 pts. 294 times
  4. 6 pts. 287 times
  5. 9 pts. 284 times
  6. 11 pts. 277 times
  7. 16 pts. 273 times
  8. 3 pts. 269 times
  9. 15 pts. 267 times
  10. 10 pts. and 17 pts. 265 times

    RogersResults
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Wild stat. I guess there's quite a few occasions where the scores are tied and somebody taps a ball through or kicks a low percentage shot for a behind just to get in front.

I'll be punting 5 point results home from here on.

Thanks for that.
 
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