2010 Potential Draftee and Trade Watch

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I agree with everything you said except the bolded bit. I've only seen video, so it's dangerous to make a call on that,

Dare I say , most of us make calls , some times rash but probably always based on limited data. Certainly any calls that Wells and co will be more informed. With out any doubt they are in a far better place to rate player against one another
Having said that , we all have watched enough footy to know what we do and don't like. Making rash ill-informed judgements is probably par for the course in this environment , it always amazes me the amount players on AFL list that are labelled spuds and duds on here (Ohh if only Id had enough talent to be that much of a dud) but within reasonable parameters its everyones right to make assessments on the guys who stick their hands up to be a pro footballer.
OK Rant over
Chalwell may be handy player but as you have said I think there are better options early.

 

[AM]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Dare I say , most of us make calls , some times rash but probably always based on limited data. Certainly any calls that Wells and co will be more informed. With out any doubt they are in a far better place to rate player against one another
Having said that , we all have watched enough footy to know what we do and don't like. Making rash ill-informed judgements is probably par for the course in this environment , it always amazes me the amount players on AFL list that are labelled spuds and duds on here (Ohh if only Id had enough talent to be that much of a dud) but within reasonable parameters its everyones right to make assessments on the guys who stick their hands up to be a pro footballer.
OK Rant over
Chalwell may be handy player but as you have said I think there are better options early.

Top post,Turbo. Judging players on the basis of a video or write-ups is fraught with difficulty. Not only because the pros get to see the prospects first hand in game day situations on many occasions; garner input from other ‘spotters’; have a set of criteria outside the average punters knowledge base; and get to assess other key factors such as character that can only assessed from personal contact and questioning.


That said, I lerve reading the predictions and especially re-visiting after the event to see how it all panned out. Plus, being full of admiration for those willing to have a go at the prediction game.

 

[vinum coupe]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

You may be right Jes but this is the second time I have heard us linked with Smith at 15. Either we are doing a good job selling it or people are getting a smell for our early pick being a bit of a different one.

15. Geelong Isaac Smith (21, half-forward/wing, North Ballarat)
Resembles: Stephen Hill (Fremantle)
Remarkable story. Went from bush-footy nobody to VFL star in six weeks. Has super pace and athleticism and is ultra-clean in congestion. Would give Cats the speed and outside run they need.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104082/default.aspx

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/104532/default.aspx


To me he would be a Wells special in the similar vane to Mackie. It might take a while but can anyone say he got Mackie wrong. I wouldn't mind a Hill type at our club and I think he is taller than Hill , meaning more versatile....

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Budda 230]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Gees, this Isaac Smith talk is very concerning.

Yes, he has had a meteoric rise and produced some very flashy moments in a premiership winning VFL side. His highlights package would be great. He has a fantastic rags to riches type story when he gets drafted.

But lets be realistic, he has quite a few flaws. He has no right foot, he doesn't get a lot of the ball, he can go missing for large periods, he lacks the required defensive pressure. Every player has their negatives, but in my opinion his outway his positives convincingly.

Geelong need to be looking at a 200 game player at pick 15. Isaac Smith will not be a 200 gamer. Smith will be drafted, there is no doubt about it. But you can't justify paying overs for a 21 year old VFL player after 7 games. It's not even like he dominated games like Bernie Vince.

If pick 15 is used on Smith just to get in first before another team and we miss out on a potential champion (eg: Caddy, Prestia, Watson etc), I'll be very dirty! Thankfully, Wellsy isn't stupid.

 

[Claude Balls]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Wow , strong comments. Thats the good thing about this board it does make one reassess judgements they we all make.
When I saw him , Smedts was playing BP and it was the way he read the play that impressed me. Perhaps playing forward of the centre I would have focused more on his kicking. Still think he has 'it' value so personally I'd be happy to see him on our list.

Don't want him at 15 I mean. Seems to be better players available early on, based on the vids.

Funny thing about all this is that we really have NFI. I always laugh when I read someone's post saying they'd cry tears of joy if their club got such and such players. Essendon were given an A+ by Bigfooty for their efforts in the 2006 draft, because Jetta, Hislop and Houli were all discussed as potential top 10 picks at various stages... If Josh Caddy or Patches Hallahan, for example, last till the 40s, there will be a good reason for it.

First and second paragraphs to be read in strict isolation.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I wouldn't say Smith has serious flaws (well not more so than the average draftee anyway).

I remember in the GF in the 3rd qtr when he made a spoil at half back, followed the play up all the way down the field and resulted in a goal. So certainly even stuff like defensive pressure he can so, and he's very athletic to be capable of doing it. The issue is he doesn't do it often enough...everything he does is very good IMO but he floats in and out of games, because he's still a young pup at the level, rather than your solid well driled TAC player who gets 20 + touches every game and is switched on for 120 minutes. In that sense he is a risk, although the potential is certainly there.

I won't be mad if we take him if Watson's gone, but I'll be mad if we choose him over Watson, as there'll be other good quick players in this draft, but there's only one Watson. I'd take Watson at 15 and try and get Smith through to 23. FWIW, I don't think Carlton or Hawthorn will take Smith as HS suggests, they're just trying to make us think they will, so we'll pass on Watson, because they both need a quality key defender. North is the main issue, they may get spooked and take him at 17. Otherwise he gets to 23 IMO.

 

[proboy]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

May as well just make this a Watson thread PO! lol

 

[Turbocat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Don't want him at 15 I mean. Seems to be better players available early on, based on the vids.

Funny thing about all this is that we really have NFI. I always laugh when I read someone's post saying they'd cry tears of joy if their club got such and such players. Essendon were given an A+ by Bigfooty for their efforts in the 2006 draft, because Jetta, Hislop and Houli were all discussed as potential top 10 picks at various stages... If Josh Caddy or Patches Hallahan, for example, last till the 40s, there will be a good reason for it.

First and second paragraphs to be read in strict isolation.

Excellent Point. The odd player will be picked too early or too late but to get past 17 clubs there will be a good reason. Its risk reward sometimes and the earlier pick , clubs generally are reticent to stray too far from the rock solid kid. Too much downside to missing with an early pick if it doesn't work out.

 

[Pivo]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Dare I say , most of us make calls , some times rash but probably always based on limited data.

If we didn't this thread would die a very quick death...and without backhanding other posters on the Geelong board, this is one of the few threads where I feel there is some intelligent conversation. We don't all agree with each other but at least arguments are thought out and everyone is pretty respectful of each other. I pretty much only post in here these days...unless I'm showing some man-love to Jimmy Bartel.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I don't think anyone here claims to be a recruiting genuis (though I do remember pushing for us at one stage to take Selwood in 2006!!). Most of us perhaps see one or two games during the U18 champs, watch the youtube vision and read other more learned posters (i.e Snoop, foj1) opinions on the draftees.

If you are like me it's an opportunity to put yourself in the shoes of Stephen Wells. I find it fun - my wife reckons I am a complete dork though. There is no harm done and if Wells happens to read out the name of someone you have been keen on there is a little bit of satisfaction gained.

I reckon most of us have got a pretty good handle on what type of player the cats actually need. There are obviously differences in opinion on prioritisation but that is the beauty of this forum. And as Pivot said it is the one thread where the contributors are respectful of each other and partake in intelligent debate.

 

[STC]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

He's definitely the sort of player Wellsy would go after. Think Harry Taylor or Mitch Brown - Taylor because he was a mature age player no one expected to go so high and Brown because as a late developer, he only really found himself in the TAC Cup system very late, so was a big gamble. But Wellsy usually gets them right - he did with Taylor and hopefully he does with Brown. Whatever he decides, I can't argue with.

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Have just watched the video of Jack Darling, seems everyone's gone quiet on this guy of late!!!!
He just might slip through to our first pick, but surely not our second.

If he's available we'd be silly not to take him, this guy is so awesome, but so young.
He reminds me of Wayne "the duck" Carey, pure power!!
Forwards with his attributes are special, and he'll possibly grow 3-4 cms.
The kp forwards are either aging or uncertain, so if he's available, forgoodness sake, take him Mr Wells.
Could also play initially as a power HF, imagine him and Menzell in a few years.

Check out his vid, why waste pick 15 on a Mid/Flanker, Isaac Smith, etc, will still be there with our Pick 23.

Lot of smoke around about him and unfortunately there is fire as well.......
Will not pass our character requirements.

 

[meto]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Lot of smoke around about him and unfortunately there is fire as well.......
Will not pass our character requirements.

Re: Jack Darling.

Does that mean you'd overlook Wayne 'the duck', if he was up for grabs?

Bet you wouldn't!!

A change to his environment will make a huge difference to the kid, instantly, he's only an 18 year old afterall.
Anyhow, a bit of mongrel is a necessary evil in our game, remember Stevie J and Stevie B, you gotta be able to look after yourself, and help your mates when necessary.
I do see that potential in him, doesn't mind knocking blokes over!

 

[Farmer2Goggin]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Meto - you could be right , he is young and a change of environment may be beneficial.
Just feel if our Recruiters have done their homework then they may shy away ( at least for our first 2 picks anyway) , real situation isn't quite as rosy as reported in the Media.
Needs a major attitude adjustment or could waste all that talent.

 

[Boxhead_31]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Jack Darling to me sounds alot like Mitch Thorpe someone with alot of natural talent but with a lot of off field issues as well and if that is the case I think we would be wise to pass on him.

Would love it if Pat McCarthy was able to fall through to us but I fear the Gold Coast will have taken him well before 15

 

[AM]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

For what it's worth, here's the Fox Sports stab at our possible, probable, maybe, could be...... targets.

GEELONG
Selections: 15, 23, 37, 54, 59, 76, 93, 110, 127, 144
What they need: Gary Ablett back, some young legs in defence and a ruckman to come on and take over from the suspect Brad Ottens-Mark Blake combination. For the first time in a long time the Cats look in need of a mini-rebuild. James Podsiadly was a handy inclusion in attack in 2010, but he's 28 and Cameron Mooney's 31. New coach Chris Scott has a tricky first-up assignment on draft day.
Fits the bill: Geelong Falcons defender Billie Smedts would add some life to the backline. He's a playmaker at half-back who wanders around opponents with ease and hurts with his clever ball use. He may be gone by the time the Cats go to call his name, so perhaps Brighton Grammar skipper Ben Jacobs comes into the picture. Tall Falcons forward Josh Walker could be groomed to take over from Mooney and SA boy Seb Tape is a likely type in defence.

http://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl...10-nab-afl-draft/story-e6frf3e3-1225951089380

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

I still want Watson, but here's today's feature on Sebby Tape:
http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105088/default.aspx

Good kid, and I rate him the 3rd best defender in the draft after Watson and McCarthy. Significantly, now listed at 191 (used to be 189 or so I thought) which is important as his height was my pain concern about him as a KPB. Worth looking at if Watson is gone by 15, the only problem is he may fall smack bang in between 23 and 36.

 

[year of the cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

Seb Tape seems to be moving up the draft order recently. There is an article on him today on afl.com.au.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/newsarticle/tabid/208/newsid/105088/default.aspx


Sounds like a great "3rd tall" down back proposition and good replacement for Milburn. We are I suppose though needing a bigger bodied KPD which can free Harry up to play this role. Still, he may come into consideration if still around for pick 23.

Edit: I am obviously spending too much time on BigFooty in your company P_O !

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

PO - do you still rate Watson ahead of Smedts ?

Tell me what is your guess whose name will be called out first by any club of these two ?

Will we take McCarthy ahead of Smedts if those 2 are there at pick 15 ?

I see that Paul Daffey has us taking McCarthy as Smedts is gone at pick 11.

He does not have Watson in the top 25.

From what I have read if we got both McCarthy and Watson that would be an ok result for us re getting a good tall down back for the future.

 

[meto]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

PO - do you still rate Watson ahead of Smedts ?

Tell me what is your guess whose name will be called out first by any club of these two ?

Will we take McCarthy ahead of Smedts if those 2 are there at pick 15 ?

I see that Paul Daffey has us taking McCarthy as Smedts is gone at pick 11.

He does not have Watson in the top 25.

From what I have read if we got both McCarthy and Watson that would be an ok result for us re getting a good tall down back for the future.

To be honest, I didn't like the video images of Smedts, and thought his carnival stats were nothing special.
Wouldn't be disappointed with any of Watson, McCarthy or Tape.
Anyone got an opinion on Delaney, as a defensive tall option?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

PO - do you still rate Watson ahead of Smedts ?

Tell me what is your guess whose name will be called out first by any club of these two ?

Will we take McCarthy ahead of Smedts if those 2 are there at pick 15 ?

I see that Paul Daffey has us taking McCarthy as Smedts is gone at pick 11.

He does not have Watson in the top 25.

From what I have read if we got both McCarthy and Watson that would be an ok result for us re getting a good tall down back for the future.

I can't directly compare the two against each other because one's a tall and one's a small and they are completely different. I can say that Watson has more runs on the board performance wise, but beyond that it's hard to compare. If they were both KPP defenders I'd be happy to compare (i.e. Watson and McCarthy).

But to answer your question, if both were available at 15, I'd pick Watson ahead of Smedts, partly because I really rate Watson but also because of our needs. McCarthy would be my 2nd preference play at 15 and I'd be happy with that, but I'd still have Watson slightly in front.

Watson won't slide past 25...if he even got to 23 that would be an absolute steal.

I can't really guess who we will call out at 15 because it's so dependent on what GC does and that's hard to predict.

Has Daffey done a full phantom already or is the McCarthy thing just web chat?

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

To be honest, I didn't like the video images of Smedts, and thought his carnival stats were nothing special.
Wouldn't be disappointed with any of Watson, McCarthy or Tape.
Anyone got an opinion on Delaney, as a defensive tall option?

Good defender but rate in the next bracket (i.e. below Watson McCarthy and Tape). Probably worth our 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

To be honest, I didn't like the video images of Smedts, and thought his carnival stats were nothing special.
Wouldn't be disappointed with any of Watson, McCarthy or Tape.
Anyone got an opinion on Delaney, as a defensive tall option?

Good defender but rate in the next bracket (i.e. below Watson McCarthy and Tape). Probably worth our 2nd or 3rd round.

 

[Belisarius]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

PO - Has Daffey done a full phantom already or is the McCarthy thing just web chat?

Just did top 25 picks.

 

[David the Cat]

Re: Potential Draftee Watch 2010 - Critical and Compromised.

To be honest, I didn't like the video images of Smedts, and thought his carnival stats were nothing special.
Wouldn't be disappointed with any of Watson, McCarthy or Tape.
Anyone got an opinion on Delaney, as a defensive tall option?

OMG Meto...I agree with you!!!!!!!

I like Issac Smith actually......but then again I was falling over myself for Callum Bartlett last year