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Biggest AFL rivalry?

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Which is the biggest rivalry?

  • Collingwood and Carlton

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  • Collingwood and Essendon

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  • Collingwood and Melbourne

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  • Collingwood and Richmond

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  • Essendon and Richmond

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  • Carlton and Essendon

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  • Hawthorn and Essendon

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  • Richmond and Carlton

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  • Hawthorn and Geelong

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  • Geelong and St. Kilda

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  • Collingwood and St. Kilda

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  • Fremantle and West Coast

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  • Adelaide and Port Adelaide

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  • Sydney and St. Kilda

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This is what we call fabricated rivalries.

But which rivalry has the greatest impact on their fans?
Adelaide vs Port Adelaide in a heartbeat.

None of the Victorian rivalries even compare to the Showdown and the Western Derby.

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You type in AFL rivilaries in google, and the 2nd link is Carlton vs Collingwood, Victoria is the home of football and so are the greatest rivilaries.

Wouldnt even put the showdown in my top 3.

Carlton v Collingwood.
Essendon v Hawthorn.
Essendon v Carlton.
 
Thats an opinion mate, been to more of those games than I can count and its unbelievable.

Has more votes that the scratch match you call a showdown.
 

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You type in AFL rivilaries in google, and the 2nd link is Carlton vs Collingwood, Victoria is the home of football and so are the greatest rivilaries.

Wouldnt even put the showdown in my top 3.

Carlton v Collingwood.
Essendon v Hawthorn.
Essendon v Carlton.
1st 2 results were wikipedia, and only idiots who are trying to pass their year 9 biology assignment bother with that shit.

The next 3 links are rival generic articles

The first link of substance to an actual rivalry is Gold Coast vs Brisbane.

So what point are you trying to make with that first paragraph?

And stop confusing hype with rivalries.
The media is pro-victorian
Anything that even resembles a big match will be over-hyped.
The media will make Collingwood-Richmond-Carlton-Essendon-Hawthorn games bigger than they really are.
They'll hype up successfull teams at that period to try and make those games seem bigger.

To have a true rivalry these days, you need animosity between players and fans, and with the current national football model, it's just about impossible to bring true rivalries back to Melbourne.
Right now, my top 3 rivalries would be
1) Adelaide vs Port Adelaide
daylight (due to the history and hatred)
2) Fremantle vs West Coast
daylight (due to the fact that there really arn't any other 'true' rivalries these days)
3) Essendon vs Hawthorn

Since the 1980s, there havn't been many big events, or controversial events that has built up or sustained the hatred between the Victorian teams. There is history behind alot of Victorian teams, but all that hatred is currently dorment. The 'line in the sand game' by I think Hawthorn in like 2004 or so. That is the only reason I have it, ahead of all the other Victorian rivalries.

All the other ones are just hype, and old feelings that are dorment at the moment.

Oh, and Papa G. I know jealous was a bad word, I just couldn't think of something more suitable. I know you're not jealous, but it's the only word that was entering my mind as to why you'd hate us for what happened.
 
Port and Crows hate each other more then Carlton vs Collingwood. Fact.

This is what rivalry is all about, and no doubt in another 50 years it will have the history of any other rivalry, it will only grow bigger and bigger
 
Port and Crows hate each other more then Carlton vs Collingwood. Fact.

You have no idea what hatred is until you go to a Carlton v Collingwood battle. Your rivilary is based on location and is that really a solid of a foundation to base a rivilary on.

Our rivilary was based on location, but year after year the rivilary built over a number of incidents it didnt just happen.

Played off for a premiership against each other?
You cannot hate each other until you feel the pain of losing a grand final to a team.

I struggle to name a showdown that really interested me ever.

We dont need to label a market our game by giving it some 'silly' name. The 'showdown', how pathetic is that.
 
You have no idea what hatred is until you go to a Carlton v Collingwood battle. Your rivilary is based on location and is that really a solid of a foundation to base a rivilary on.

Interesting, interesting

Our rivilary was based on location,

Wait, that's not good enough for us, but it's good for you? :rolleyes:

but year after year the rivilary built over a number of incidents it didnt just happen.


"numer of incidents"? besides the game where you decided to handball it, I can't think of 1 other incident to grow your rivalry

Played off for a premiership against each other?
You cannot hate each other until you feel the pain of losing a grand final to a team.


Oh my god, I knew after the whole Jacobs discussion that you guys (Carlton fans) are fools, but this just tops it. Bulldog fans hate us (Adelaide) and we never beat them in a grand final....

I struggle to name a showdown that really interested me ever.


Funny, I can't even think of any Collingwood-Carlton game of note in my lifetime, and have only read of the handball grannie.

We dont need to label a market our game by giving it some 'silly' name. The 'showdown', how pathetic is that.


It shows it's a true rivalry and it needs a name. You (Victorians) don't have anything big enough to deserve its own name rivalry-wise.
Arsenal vs Tottenham - North London Derby
Everton vs Liverpool - Merseyside Derby
Manchester City vs Manchester United - Manchester Derby
Internazionale vs Milan - Derby della Madonnia
Barcelona vs Real Madrid - El Classico
Florida vs Florida State - Sunshine Showdown
Michigan vs Ohio State - The Game
Oregon vs Oregon State - Cival War
Texas vs Texas A&M - Lone Star Showdown
Adelaide vs Port Adelaide - Showdown
Fremantle vs West Coast - Western Derby

What do you have?
Oh wait, your "rivalry" isn't as intense, and mean as much to the fans as these other rivalries.
 
How did I miss this
Yep, 70 people are wong and your right?
Ok, that's basically you admitting defeat.
You know you lack the intelligence to argue either for Carlton-Collingwood being the biggest, or argue against Adelaide-Port Adelaide being the biggest.

Oh, and I also ask this.
would you rather beleive 80 kids voting for their team just to win a poll, or would you rather beleive 10 adults who actually know what they're talking about, and vote unbias?
 
Thats why its a Unique game we dont need a label (Pratt Cup doesnt really count), because if we did it wouldnt be as good as the rivilary itself. Collingwood v Carlton thats all you need.

I meant your rivilary is soley based on location, mistake from me, by saying our.

Eddie McGuire is fond of saying; ‘no season is wasted if we get at least two wins – Carlton at home, and Carlton away.’ - Not bad for a game that you think doesnt have much rivilary to it.

Its really not hard here, you rivilary has been going how long?, and dont feed me that crap that you played under different banners in the SANFL.

Truth is, Carlton has been playing Collingwood and hating Collingwood since the late 1800s

In the 2000s and we were absolutley terrible, there were still noteworthy cames against us rivals as they won 8 and we won 6. This was when we were shameful and the Pies were in Grand Finals.

- Eddie betts goal of the year after heath scotland (who has crossed from the filth) was flattened
- Fevola running through a Collingwood huddle and nearly knocking out josh frasher
- Nathan Buckley crunching Scott Campo after a entire game of fighting resulting in an all in brawl at one of the quarter time breaks

:Thats just in the 2000s as well.

What kind of rivilary where a ex Collingwood player becomes an assistant coach at another club and intially refuses to wear the jumper because it would make him feel ill.

Your 'rivilary' can be appreciated by kids in the last 20 years who have grown up watching the AFL, our rivilary is apprecitaed by people in their 80s where Carlton offered Collingwood money to get back in the league and then when roles were reversed Collingwood were debating whether they should help out. Increased the starting rivilary.

Or Dads in their 40s who watched Collingwoods Steve Magro flatten Jeza in front of a furious crowd.

Your probalby a young kid (maybe your not), but a rivilary isnt based on just where the teams reside, its based on:

History - you guys barley have any , Carlton v Collingwood

Jumpers- Played each other in the same jumpers for nearly 150 years, the hatred for the jumper cannot be underestimated , you guys designed your jumpers with a computer

Games- Grand Finals.........
Played each other in probalby the best ..... no 2nd best behind the 89 grand final in front of the Largest AFL crowd of all time.

By the way, dont mention the Sam Jacobs thing because its an admission of defeat.
 
The only game I can remember is the 'hand ball', are you that ignorant or do you actually have an IQ of a cocktail napkin?

Wayne Harmes is it in incident? Come out of the fishbowl that is SA.
 
Thats why its a Unique game we dont need a label (Pratt Cup doesnt really count), because if we did it wouldnt be as good as the rivilary itself. Collingwood v Carlton thats all you need.

So your game has the same meaning as Blackpool vs West Ham?
Fair enough, to me it's obvious your "rivalry" is fabricated by the media, and it isn't big enough to actually have a name, unlike the Showdown or the North London Derby

I meant your rivilary is soley based on location, mistake from me, by saying our.

So you're admitting you've been wrong in this arguement. I guess that means this is a waste of time, if what you're saying is wrong

Eddie McGuire is fond of saying; ‘no season is wasted if we get at least two wins – Carlton at home, and Carlton away.’ - Not bad for a game that you think doesnt have much rivilary to it.

Eddie McGuire talks shit, the fact that you have to use his words to backup your arguement proves in itself that it's bullshit. Go get someone who actually has some respect in the football media, and quote them.

Its really not hard here, you rivilary has been going how long?, and dont feed me that crap that you played under different banners in the SANFL.

Truth is, Carlton has been playing Collingwood and hating Collingwood since the late 1800s


Port Adelaide has been around since 1870, Adelaide represent all in SA that isn't Port. The rivalry of Port Adelaide vs SA was alive for 22 years before Collingwood was even founded.

In the 2000s and we were absolutley terrible, there were still noteworthy cames against us rivals as they won 8 and we won 6. This was when we were shameful and the Pies were in Grand Finals.

- Eddie betts goal of the year after heath scotland (who has crossed from the filth) was flattened

- Fevola running through a Collingwood huddle and nearly knocking out josh frasher
- Nathan Buckley crunching Scott Campo after a entire game of fighting resulting in an all in brawl at one of the quarter time breaks

:Thats just in the 2000s as well.


Ok, so they're memorable games for Carlton fans, for the average AFL fan, they're nothing games, I've heard of those players, But none of those events are memorable for the non-Carlton fan - I havn't seen any Collingwood fans comment on that - just shows that this "rivalry" is like the Adelaide-West Coast "rivalry" - it's all 1 way, and the other team doesn't give a shit. I feel sorry for Collingwood now, you're leeching onto them for the attention of having a "rival"

What kind of rivilary where a ex Collingwood player becomes an assistant coach at another club and intially refuses to wear the jumper because it would make him feel ill.

What the **** are you on about?

Your 'rivilary' can be appreciated by kids in the last 20 years who have grown up watching the AFL, our rivilary is apprecitaed by people in their 80s where Carlton offered Collingwood money to get back in the league and then when roles were reversed Collingwood were debating whether they should help out. Increased the starting rivilary.

Your ignorance of anything outside of the VFL is sad

Or Dads in their 40s who watched Collingwoods Steve Magro flatten Jeza in front of a furious crowd.

Who flattened, Barrie Robran's bitch?

Your probalby a young kid (maybe your not), but a rivilary isnt based on just where the teams reside, its based on:

No, I'm an adult, but it's obvious with your spelling and grammar that you're a kid, well, or your education was deplorable, and you're just using wikipedia to try and help you out. You've already shown that you try and use wikipedia to back up your point, so don't deny it.

History - you guys barley have any , Carlton v Collingwood


You're being simple, our history is over 140 years old, and even if Port were a basketcase for the first 20 or so years, by the 1930s it was in full swing, your rivalry didn't really even gain any momentum untill the 1950s when Collingwood fans would of started giving a shit about you. Before then, it'd be like North Melbourne vs Collingwood today, 1 team is jealous (North now, Carlton then) and hate Collingwood, but to Collingwood, you're just blips that no one cares about.

Jumpers- Played each other in the same jumpers for nearly 150 years, the hatred for the jumper cannot be underestimated , you guys designed your jumpers with a computer

I actually did a two hand facepalm when I read that. Collingwood hasn't even been around for 150 years!!!, Heck, not even Carlton. Carlton is 147 years old, and Collingwood is 119 years old.

Games- Grand Finals.........
Played each other in probalby the best ..... no 2nd best behind the 89 grand final in front of the Largest AFL crowd of all time.


#1 - What does it matter that you played in a grand final?
#2 - That's personal opinion.
#3 - The largest AFL crowd of all time was in 2008.

By the way, dont mention the Sam Jacobs thing because its an admission of defeat.

Why? It's another point that proves that Carlton fans are complete and utter fools. You were bringing up stats that don't have any reliability. Mods can easily edit these polls to back them up. It's been done in numerous places on this forum.

The only game I can remember is the 'hand ball', are you that ignorant or do you actually have an IQ of a cocktail napkin?


I'm actually serious. Besides the 1970 VFL Grand Final, what incident has occured that people will remember?
All you're proving is that people outside of the rivalries don't really give a crap about other rivalries. All you're doing is convincing me that. Traditional rivaries = pointless to the neutral. The only "rivalries" that people care about are the ones in the peak at any given time. I think all you may of done was make me think that the current Geelong vs St Kilda one, based around their recent success is greater than Carlton vs Collingwood, for now. That'll drop off soon, and something else will come up. Who knows, in 10 years, Gold Coast vs GWS might be the biggest in neutral interest, because they're the 2 going head to head in Grand Finals. Just like West Coast vs Sydney had the neutrals interested in 05-06, and Port Adelaide vs Brisbane in 01-04

Wayne Harmes is it in incident? Come out of the fishbowl that is SA.


Who?

Seriously, all you've done is convince me that in either way you look at it, it can't be Carlton vs Collingwood.
You're argueing it's the biggest is the exact same as to why someone else will say their team vs someone else is the biggest rivalry. It's the biggest you care about.

Every rivalry is therefore equal, because everything is a rivalry in someone's POV compared to anothers.

Though, if you then judge "biggest" as in, what % of a teams supporters hate each other or something. That backs me up, Victorian clubs send their hate to different teams, while the the majority of SA fans hate each other, and the same with WA. If it goes as that way, the Western Derby and Showdown are by far the biggest rivalries then.

Or, if you want to look at it, as what the neutral fan pays attention to, it's the most enthralling games at the time. I can tell you now, there has been more interest to West Cost vs Sydney games, Port Adelaide vs Brisbane games, and even St Kilda vs Geelong games in the last decade than any of these big, Victorian "rivalries"

At the moment, there can only be 3 right answers
1) none, all are equal, just differ from person to person
2) Adelaide vs Port Adelaide, and Fremantle vs West Coast because a greater % of their supporters hate each other compared to other teams.
3) St Kilda vs Geelong, because it has the greatest neutral interest right now
 

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Carlton and Collingwood is the most traditional and Essendon and Hawthorn is the most spiteful. The voting in the poll reflects that as well.

Nobody in Melbourne ( which is the where the majority of football supporters reside ) really gives two hoots about Showdowns and Derbys. Sorry guys. I'm sure it means a lot to you guys in Adelaide, but people in Melbourne just don't care about it to be honest.
 
Oh, and Papa G. I know jealous was a bad word, I just couldn't think of something more suitable. I know you're not jealous, but it's the only word that was entering my mind as to why you'd hate us for what happened.

Bitter. Done over. Had. Used. It was all a means to an end though I guess.
 
Carlton and Collingwood is the most traditional and Essendon and Hawthorn is the most spiteful. The voting in the poll reflects that as well.

Nobody in Melbourne ( which is the where the majority of football supporters reside ) really gives two hoots about Showdowns and Derbys. Sorry guys. I'm sure it means a lot to you guys in Adelaide, but people in Melbourne just don't care about it to be honest.

Do you actually care about Collngwood Carlton? Seriously?
 
Do you actually care about Collngwood Carlton? Seriously?

Yeah I do. I completely despise Carlton and everything they stand for in an unhealthy way.

Collingwood I'm more neutral towards. So when there's a Collingwood - Carlton game, I hope the Pies give it to em every single time.
 
From the Essendon wiki page:

North Melbourne – A rivalry that first began over supporter boundaries, and then over Essendon's thwarting North Melbourne's final hopes in the 1950s, this would spill over again in the 1990s. Many Essendon supporters believed[citation needed] the outcome of North Melbourne's 1996 and 1999 Premierships would have been much different had the Bombers managed to win the Preliminary Finals in each of those years. Coach Kevin Sheedy's famous 'Marshmallow War' jibe only served to strengthen the rivalry. The Bombers managed to get the upper hand in the rivalry for a while with their famous comeback in Round 16 of the 2001 season where, trailing by 69 points halfway through the second quarter, the Bombers came back hard, scoring a flurry of goals to eventually win by 12 points. The Bombers didn't beat the Kangaroos again until Round 1, 2008 when they came back from 27 points down in second quarter to win by 55 points. Essendon won the most recent match by just three points, in round 17, 2010.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essendon_Football_Club

Mate, literally half the teams in the comp are included in that rivalry list . Its got Sydney as one of our rivals, I wouldn't take much stock in it. Yes there is some history between the two teams, going all the way back to the 1920s and the situation relating to your admission into the VFL, but for me personally (can't speak on behalf of all Bombers fans) there's only 3 rivals: Collingwood, Hawthorn & Carlton.
 
Yeah I do. I completely despise Carlton and everything they stand for in an unhealthy way.

Collingwood I'm more neutral towards. So when there's a Collingwood - Carlton game, I hope the Pies give it to em every single time.

Same here, although for me it's Collingwood who I want to see lose. In saying that though, I wouldn't lose any sleep over Carlton being beaten.
 

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Carlton and Collingwood is the most traditional and Essendon and Hawthorn is the most spiteful. The voting in the poll reflects that as well.

Nobody in Melbourne ( which is the where the majority of football supporters reside ) really gives two hoots about Showdowns and Derbys. Sorry guys. I'm sure it means a lot to you guys in Adelaide, but people in Melbourne just don't care about it to be honest.

And you realise that no one outside of Victoria care about Carlton vs Collingwood (or though I do like watching it) But I'm sure besides me, 99% of people outside of that shit state don't give a ****.

feelings mutual
 
And you realise that no one outside of Victoria care about Carlton vs Collingwood (or though I do like watching it) But I'm sure besides me, 99% of people outside of that shit state don't give a ****.

feelings mutual

Why do people from Adelaide have such bitter resentment for us Melbournians?

It's the whole little sister, big brother thing I think.
 
Wow.....

I understand your a S.A supporter but I think I can get you to understand.

Eddie McGuire talks shit?, he runs that club (as much as I hate to say it) better than your mob.

Your the one thats trying to hold onto your pathetic rivilary, we have Essendon, Hawthorn and even Richmond to an extent.

I just rattled off some Carlton moments, as I am sure there are many from the pies fans but I cant comment on those.

Port Adeliede has been around for 20 years, you joined our league hence why you have 1 premiership and we have 16. If you stay in your pathetic league then we can talk but you didnt.

Same goes for the jumpers, I said nearly do you understand what that means?
Nearly:-about: (of actions or states) slightly short of or not quite accomplished;

I went to Xavier College by the way so my education is more then adequate. Would probalby crap on any school from S.A.

Why does a grand final matter? Well I suppose when you have been in 1 you dont understand the immense hatred it can produce.
Dont say you have been in 2 because you didnt even show and is the worst grand final I have watched in over 20 years.

Geelong and St Kilda have a bit of history in recent years, but I hardly call it a rivilary. Once the players retire, it will cease to exist.

Wayne Harmes?
If you dont know who he is then I have no idea why your on this forum.

Its the biggest rivilary because it will always be there wheather we move interstate, players change not because its the one I care about.

You said that i am only saying its the biggest because its the one I care about then why do 70+ people think otherwise, they all cant be Carlton supporters.
 
Do you actually care about Collngwood Carlton? Seriously?

Yeah I do. I completely despise Carlton and everything they stand for in an unhealthy way.

Nice shutdown there Hyper :p, does he just think that Collingwood, Carlton, Essendon and Hawthorn just love each other and all the matches between them are friendly.

Why do people from Adelaide have such bitter resentment for us Melbournians?

It's the whole little sister, big brother thing I think.

I love this :thumbsu:.

Not 99% but 100% of Victoria do not give a flying **** about S.A, but you guys just seem to always have something to prove against us.

I remember the ALL-Star game (08 I think), and Neale Danniher was just saying that S.A should be playing harder because its Victoria.

Just funny how they think we care.
 
Hawthorn and Essendon is the only Rivalry as far as actual definition of "rivalry" goes.
An absolute shitfight of a match and I can't believe there's only one of them this fixture.
Collingwood and Richmond always has some feel to it as does Carlton vs Collingwood.
I know it's not a rivalry but I really enjoy seeing North Melbourne and Geelong play.
 

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