Carlton in the Media (articles, podcasts etc)

[pjhad1]

Do you look up to them? I certainly don't. We know kids do, but then they look up to action heroes, older siblings, friends, celebrities etc etc.

Because someone is looked up to, that does not make them a role model. I can't imagine any parent telling a child to look up to a footballer, or any other sportsperson as a role model. By all means admire their football ability, but if you want your child to find a role model perhaps point them in the direction of a Prof Graeme Clark or the late Fred Hollows & other similar Australians.

At the end of the day AFL players have a gift of football ability, this does not shield them from having flawed personalities.

I don't look up to them now, but I did look up to a few as a kid. Kernahan, Bradles, Koutta, even Warnie.

Problem is that kids don't have the capacity to differentiate between good and bad behavior - they see a star and they want to be like them. The way footballers act can model a kid, thus making them a role model for that kid. It is not the footballer's choice (the kid sees, the kid decides). Ultimately, it is for the parent to give guidance, no-one is disputing that. Though, fact of the matter is that footballers are in the spotlight and with that comes certain responsibilities. Their actions (good and bad) are widely seen, as such, they should act in a certain way or be punished accordingly (which is how it is and is what has rightly happened to Scotland).

I'm not saying that footballers aren't human. Of course some (even many) will have flawed personalities. I'm certainly not perfect, no-one is. BUT whether or not they should be looked up to is not the point (they shouldn't be - I agree with you there), the fact is that they are though.

If I was to cop the abuse AFL players do, I wouldn't be too happy either. The real problem I had is that Scotland went back for more (when it was all over and done). Fights happen - King hitting someone after a fight is over is another thing altogether. In today's violent climate, his actions were deplorable for any person (let alone from someone in the spotlight).

Too many kids have died from being king hit and IMO it doesn't deserve justification. It happened, it was bad, he is remorseful, he got punished, lets move on. No need to justify what he did.

 

[thylacine60]

I don't look up to them now, but I did look up to a few as a kid. Kernahan, Bradles, Koutta, even Warnie.

Problem is that kids don't have the capacity to differentiate between good and bad behavior - they see a star and they want to be like them. The way footballers act can model a kid, thus making them a role model for that kid. It is not the footballer's choice (the kid sees, the kid decides). Ultimately, it is for the parent to give guidance, no-one is disputing that. Though, fact of the matter is that footballers are in the spotlight and with that comes certain responsibilities. Their actions (good and bad) are widely seen, as such, they should act in a certain way or be punished accordingly (which is how it is and is what has rightly happened to Scotland).

I'm not saying that footballers aren't human. Of course some (even many) will have flawed personalities. I'm certainly not perfect, no-one is. BUT whether or not they should be looked up to is not the point (they shouldn't be - I agree with you there), the fact is that they are though.

If I was to cop the abuse AFL players do, I wouldn't be too happy either. The real problem I had is that Scotland went back for more (when it was all over and done). Fights happen - King hitting someone after a fight is over is another thing altogether. In today's violent climate, his actions were deplorable for any person (let alone from someone in the spotlight).

Too many kids have died from being king hit and IMO it doesn't deserve justification. It happened, it was bad, he is remorseful, he got punished, lets move on. No need to justify what he did.

Just an outstanding post.

 

[mediumsizered]

Police are police, doing their job, of course.

They arrest bad people, and send them off to court.

.....by golly, (and I'm hearing Jimmy), the bad people deserve gaol.

Long Haired Hippies deserve a Haircut & Whipping.

I could do without a haircut & a whipping actually.

 

[mediumsizered]

I don't look up to them now, but I did look up to a few as a kid. Kernahan, Bradles, Koutta, even Warnie.

Problem is that kids don't have the capacity to differentiate between good and bad behavior - they see a star and they want to be like them. The way footballers act can model a kid, thus making them a role model for that kid. It is not the footballer's choice (the kid sees, the kid decides). Ultimately, it is for the parent to give guidance, no-one is disputing that. Though, fact of the matter is that footballers are in the spotlight and with that comes certain responsibilities. Their actions (good and bad) are widely seen, as such, they should act in a certain way or be punished accordingly (which is how it is and is what has rightly happened to Scotland).

I'm not saying that footballers aren't human. Of course some (even many) will have flawed personalities. I'm certainly not perfect, no-one is. BUT whether or not they should be looked up to is not the point (they shouldn't be - I agree with you there), the fact is that they are though.

If I was to cop the abuse AFL players do, I wouldn't be too happy either. The real problem I had is that Scotland went back for more (when it was all over and done). Fights happen - King hitting someone after a fight is over is another thing altogether. In today's violent climate, his actions were deplorable for any person (let alone from someone in the spotlight).

Too many kids have died from being king hit and IMO it doesn't deserve justification. It happened, it was bad, he is remorseful, he got punished, lets move on. No need to justify what he did.

Bloody good post & I particularly agree with your sentiments in relation to Scotland going back for more.

In relation to role models, I think parents need to make sure they qualify the deeds of AFL players & remind their children that, at the end of the day, the only difference between an AFL player & anyone else, is their football ability. They represent a microcosm of our society, the good, the bad & the indifferent.

 

[Blue Flame]

I could do without a haircut & a whipping actually.

You don't want it, but you need it.

 

[Aphrodite]

 

[T2B_]

Love hearing Rob speak, he's very calm and thoughtful guy yet you sense he can be no-nonsense when he needs to.

 

[thylacine60]

Has a curve in his nose Bob Massie would be proud of. Speaks good but.

 

[thylacine60]

If these media packages are any guide as to the new sense of professionalism around the place, I'm stoked. Well edited, well structured, educational, no bullshit or giggling. Loving them. Michelle T is really working at getting our media face scrubbed and schmick.

 

[Dramoth]

I could do without a haircut & a whipping actually.

Whip me, beat me... call me a tory politician...

Isnt that how it goes?

 

[Dramoth]

Love hearing Rob speak, he's very calm and thoughtful guy yet you sense he can be no-nonsense when he needs to.

Definitely... I love how he is also there helping out the assistants and development coaches and helping them develop as well.

Our coaching staff is definitely looking a lot better structured now I feel.

 

[King of Ruin]

Whip me, beat me... call me a tory politician...

Isnt that how it goes?

Is this some of the magic that happens in your house Dram ?

 

[Dramoth]

Is this some of the magic that happens in your house Dram ?

nah... I may be a little strange... but nothing like the old tory politicians who used to be found hanging from the backs of doors in womens clothing and dog collars...

 

[Stig O'Hara]

nah... I may be a little strange... but nothing like the old tory politicians who used to be found hanging from the backs of doors in womens clothing and dog collars...

Buggery and Sodomy was more a House of Lords thing.

 

[brazilblue]

Definitely... I love how he is also there helping out the assistants and development coaches and helping them develop as well.

Our coaching staff is definitely looking a lot better structured now I feel.

Can't help but think MM gave most of the assistant coaches their marching orders because he put some of the blame on their shoulders for not reaching our potential due to Ratts and them not seeing eye to eye.

Why the hell would MM want assistants that do not know their place?

 

[Dramoth]

Buggery and Sodomy was more a House of Lords thing.

but the whips and chains are a tory thing

dont you remember all the british politician sex scandals of the 70's?

 

[OldBlueFan]

If these media packages are any guide as to the new sense of professionalism around the place, I'm stoked. Well edited, well structured, educational, no bullshit or giggling. Loving them. Michelle T is really working at getting our media face scrubbed and schmick.

Agree. Except for the violently shaking camera in the long shots when some of the training footage is shot. Someone needs to buy them a tripod!

 

[thylacine60]

In their defense, if I was watching The Yazz and CJ at work I'd be violently shaking too.

 

[LanceRomance]

In their defense, if I was watching The Yazz and CJ at work I'd be violently shaking too.

You could argue they were holding more than just a camera

 

[thylacine60]

Brock McLean takes a stance on gay issue

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tackling-footys-silence-on-gays-20130126-2ddw8.html

CARLTON midfielder Brock McLean knows how corrosive silence can be. For years, his younger sister Ellie hid her sexuality before finding the courage to come out to her family.
''She asked me out for dinner and I could just see how nervous she was. When she told me, I said, 'Are you happy?' and she said, 'yeah', and I said, 'Well that's all that really matters to me.' The relief for her was huge and it just got me thinking how sad it is that so many people have to live in fear of not being accepted for who they are.''
Ms McLean and her partner, Tenille Cann, were warmly embraced by friends and family when they came out four years ago. But it was a decision they agonised over.

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[ESKIE]

Brock McLean takes a stance on gay issue

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tackling-footys-silence-on-gays-20130126-2ddw8.html

CARLTON midfielder Brock McLean knows how corrosive silence can be. For years, his younger sister Ellie hid her sexuality before finding the courage to come out to her family.
''She asked me out for dinner and I could just see how nervous she was. When she told me, I said, 'Are you happy?' and she said, 'yeah', and I said, 'Well that's all that really matters to me.' The relief for her was huge and it just got me thinking how sad it is that so many people have to live in fear of not being accepted for who they are.''
Ms McLean and her partner, Tenille Cann, were warmly embraced by friends and family when they came out four years ago. But it was a decision they agonised over.

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Proud of you Brock xx

 

[The Edukator]

Good on him. Stand by your man.

 

[SBYM]

Good on him. Stand by your man.

Yes?

 

[Dramoth]

Brock McLean takes a stance on gay issue

http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/tackling-footys-silence-on-gays-20130126-2ddw8.html

CARLTON midfielder Brock McLean knows how corrosive silence can be. For years, his younger sister Ellie hid her sexuality before finding the courage to come out to her family.
''She asked me out for dinner and I could just see how nervous she was. When she told me, I said, 'Are you happy?' and she said, 'yeah', and I said, 'Well that's all that really matters to me.' The relief for her was huge and it just got me thinking how sad it is that so many people have to live in fear of not being accepted for who they are.''
Ms McLean and her partner, Tenille Cann, were warmly embraced by friends and family when they came out four years ago. But it was a decision they agonised over.

As someone whose cousin came out a few years ago along with her partner, I know the exact same feelings that Brock went through after he was told.

My attitude... if you are happy... good on ya.

Just as an aside, my cousin told me a couple of years back that her and her partner were looking to become parents and have a kid. Good on them if they can get it done.

 

[Aphrodite]

Rock the Casboult !!!