List Mgmt. 2013 Trade / Draft / Free Agency

[Barrels]

Congrats mate.

I think we'd all love that pick 10 but how are we going to get it?

Ta

Someone on here was saying the GWS is after a running defender. Considering that they're also after mature players, but have to trim their list, we can't just off-load a clutch of players; so Gilbert (27, 194/92) or Ferguson (21, 194/85) and an advantageous - to them - exchange of picks? Ferguson has a bit of the home town hero factor to it...

Neither of those are likely to get it done, but its something worth considering IMO.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I'd consider that the following trades are feasible. ( based on rumours etc of what GWS need ) and the most I would want us to offer.

a) McEvoy and pick 22 ( ish ) for Pick 1.
b) Gilbert + Pick 3 for pick 1. ( I wouldn't consider Ferg, GWS have fringe players ,and Ferg is just as likely to be delisted).
c) McEvoy and pick 3 for pick 1 and pick 10.
d) McEvoy and Gilbert for Pick 1.

The difference between pick 1 and pick 3 is not a lot if you take Boyd out of the equation.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I agree with everything else from this post. His attitude to improvement is great, but he is easily annoyed and an angry Boyd is an easily beaten Boyd. That said, he is improving in this field as well. When provoked, he reacts, and not in a positive manner.

We could get Fraser in as a specialist coach in charge of "Bench Press" and "Forward attitude"
If it happens I'll open a garden furnature shop ( specialising in plastic chairs ) in Seaford.

 

[God Save Max King]

If only the mini-draft did not exist. Hogan, Aish, Boyd & Martin in the Top 4! our draft would be

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

I've been wasting an inordinate amount at work doing my mock St Kilda trades/draft & feel a little queasy whenever I put down any options that involves McEvoy & the #1 pick.

I know I'll change my mind again but I'm really now on the side of pulling the trigger.

A few outstanding posts over the last few pages regarding the possibility of building that awesome forward line that premiership challenging teams are constructed around. The opportunity to get hold of a big dominant forward is really as rare as hen's teeth... unfortunately we would have to give up an exceptionally high quality player & person to take advantage of that opportunity.

The way I see it we should be having a massive crack at either Boyd this year or (as Brian Speaking mentioned) Hugh Goddard in the 2014 draft. Either way I think Big Ben is the key chip in getting that #1 pick that will likely be needed for either (based on the premise that GWS will finish last again next year).

 

[The Punter]

The thing in our favour is that GWS really, really need a ruckman.

But with McEvoy being a leader at the club, and not exactly too old, I just cannot see the team moving him on.

 

[Half Back Pocket]

Any trade involving Ben would have to be one-sided in our favour, i believe.

I would consider McEvoy & 22 for Pick 1 & 10. IMO Ben is worth Pick 1...but we actually want overs for him...he's too important to us to pay fair price/unders.

If SOS thinks that's too high a price we pass...

I would pay overs for another of our 24-30 years olds however

 

[Sunshine Saint]

Ok another possible scenario might be:

Saints: Picks 3, McEvoy and Gilbert
GWS: Picks 1 & 10

GWS get their acknowledged need for a ruck man with the years remaining to still be a key player when their other guns are at their peak. They also get Pick 3, to use or to make further trades for player needs.

Saints get Boyd with Pick 1 and then the best midfielder remaining with Pick 10.

 

[Sheeza69]

I agree with everything else from this post. His attitude to improvement is great, but he is easily annoyed and an angry Boyd is an easily beaten Boyd. That said, he is improving in this field as well. When provoked, he reacts, and not in a positive manner.

Don't we miss the G-Train..

 

[joop]

I still think Boyd will slip to 3.
Buddy is going to gws, and Melbourne are dead keen on Kelly I've heard from a couple Melbourne mates.

 

[adambrown]

Hate seeing McEvoy's name thrown around as trade bait. The saints are trying to build a list and i don't believe getting rid of our best ruckman is a smart move.
Don't get me wrong, Boyd would be a great get but not at the expense of the saints next captain.
Im quite happy with the young forwards the saints picked up last year White is going to be a star, Lee will be handy and Roo still has at least 2 years in him, then theres the next couple of years trade and draft periods Goodard sounds good and Pattons a chance of getting squeezed out of the GWS side if they get Franklin and Boyd.

 

[AFLOnline]

I still think Boyd will slip to 3.
Buddy is going to gws, and Melbourne are dead keen on Kelly I've heard from a couple Melbourne mates.

all good and well, but I'm thinking gws will trade the #1 regardless of if they acquire buddy or not..

whatever team gets the #1 will obviously be getting it to take boyd. lets just hope that team is us.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I'd consider that the following trades are feasible. ( based on rumours etc of what GWS need ) and the most I would want us to offer.

a) McEvoy and pick 22 ( ish ) for Pick 1.
b) Gilbert + Pick 3 for pick 1. ( I wouldn't consider Ferg, GWS have fringe players ,and Ferg is just as likely to be delisted).
c) McEvoy and pick 3 for pick 1 and pick 10.
d) McEvoy and Gilbert for Pick 1.

The difference between pick 1 and pick 3 is not a lot if you take Boyd out of the equation.

Yep, those are all pretty good and fair deals, I reckon and I would even go as far as Mac (as long as it wouldn't hurt the fabric of the club too much), Gilbo and pick 3/4, for picks 1, 10 (or Adams, if the drug rumours are not true- which I hear they aren't) and 20, plus maybe something/someone else.

That way GWS get two of their stated needs (ruck and "tall running player", who SOS would know well from his time here- Gilbo came 3rd in our B&F in 2010, under SOS's coaching) and get pick 3/4 to get someone they probably wanted to get with pick one (if they don't want Boyd) anyway.

Then we'd have 1 (Boyd), 10 (Sheed/Dunstan/Bontompelli/Freeman/Crouch/Taylor/Gardiner), or Adams and then 20 and 22 or so, for a couple that have slid out of the first round, like this year's version of Hrovat and a Kennedy-Harris/Wilson/Hartung. Hard to complain about that I reckon.

Interesting to note that the article on the back page of the HS today says that GWS are offering pick one to Collingwood for Dane Swan, who will be 30yo next year. If true it makes a bit of a mockery of what many are saying that you wouldn't get a first rounder for someone who is about to turn 30, as many have said about Dal Santo this year, for instance.

 

[God Save Max King]

If Kelly goes to Melbourne at 2 and Aish is available at our pick, I say screw Boyd and go with Aish. Extremely skilled and a real footballer. I'll post my write-up on Aish here in a few hours.

 

[Armo #20]

I'd consider that the following trades are feasible. ( based on rumours etc of what GWS need ) and the most I would want us to offer.

a) McEvoy and pick 22 ( ish ) for Pick 1.
b) Gilbert + Pick 3 for pick 1. ( I wouldn't consider Ferg, GWS have fringe players ,and Ferg is just as likely to be delisted).
c) McEvoy and pick 3 for pick 1 and pick 10.
d) McEvoy and Gilbert for Pick 1.

The difference between pick 1 and pick 3 is not a lot if you take Boyd out of the equation.

I'm probably just being greedy but I want us to keep pick 3. Giving up your (current) No.1 ruckman to move up just 2 spots in the draft is paying too much in my opinion, even if the result is Tom Boyd. I have no issue if the club offers up McEvoy as the main chip in a deal for pick 1 but I believe if we somehow managed to end up with Picks 1 and 3 it would set our team up for the next 10 years.
If GWS wanted our pick 3 and were prepared to offer up pick 10 then that is something St Kilda would strongly consider.
The chances of us landing Pick 1 would be very slim in my opinion, the price will just be too much, that's why I'm keen to look into what players/picks it would require to land pick 10.

 

[Armo #20]

If Kelly goes to Melbourne at 2 and Aish is available at our pick, I say screw Boyd and go with Aish. Extremely skilled and a real footballer. I'll post my write-up on Aish here in a few hours.

Couldn't agree more. Some people suggesting trading McEvoy and Pick 3 for Pick 1. That's essentially trading McEvoy and Aish for Boyd. No thanks.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I still think Boyd will slip to 3.
Buddy is going to gws, and Melbourne are dead keen on Kelly I've heard from a couple Melbourne mates.

That's the big question. Is it worth selling our soul to get someone we might get anyway?

 

[aussierulesrules]

Some good profiles here, including stats when you click on their individual profile: http://madmondayshow.com/draft-zone/draftee-player-profiles/

 

[aussierulesrules]

Giving up your (current) No.1 ruckman to move up just 2 spots in the draft is paying too much in my opinion, even if the result is Tom Boyd.

He didn't suggest trading Mac for just a two spot upgrade, he suggested trading Gilbo for a two spot upgrade. Fair difference there.

Couldn't agree more. Some people suggesting trading McEvoy and Pick 3 for Pick 1. That's essentially trading McEvoy and Aish for Boyd. No thanks.

I doubt very much it would take Mac and pick 3 to get pick one and we wouldn't offer that.

If we traded Mac and 3 we would probably get 1 and 10 in return, or something along those lines, effectively giving us Boyd and someone like Sheed/Dunstan/Bontompelli, for Mac and one of Scharanberg/Kelly/Aish.

On a talent basis I think it would be much of a muchness, with Boyd likely to be better than Mac, but Aish/Kelly/Scharanberg likey to be better than Sheed/Dunstan/Bontompelli, but structurally I think we'd be better off with Boyd, Hickey and Stanley in the team long term than Mac, Hickey and Stanley, given that Mac and Hickey have both shown very little when played forward so far in their careers and given both look far better suited to the no.1 ruck role, where there's only room for one of them.

 

[The Punter]

It really comes down to how much we want Boyd.

I have a feeling the answer will be "not as much as another club".

 

[aussierulesrules]

It really comes down to how much we want Boyd.

I have a feeling the answer will be "not as much as another club".

How many clubs really have what it takes, as well as the great desire for him, though?

 

[The Punter]

I just get the feeling that someone will overpay for that first pick.

And with Pelchen in charge, I don't think we'll overpay much for anything any more.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

How many clubs really have what it takes, as well as the great desire for him, though?

I hate this way of thinking.
People go to house auctions and walk away thinking they are winners because they paid more than everyone else was prepared to. They had what it takes.
In fact it's the people selling the house that win.

 

[aussierulesrules]

I hate this way of thinking.
People go to house auctions and walk away thinking they are winners because they paid more than everyone else was prepared to. They had what it takes.
In fact it's the people selling the house that win.

Say what?

So anyone who wins an auction loses, because they were prepared to pay more than the others for whatever they were bidding on, while anyone that sells something at an auction automatically wins, because someone was prepared to pay more than anyone else for whatever it was they were selling?

No offense, but that's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever read and I've read an awful lot of stuff on BF, so that's saying something.

I would have thought it would have come down to whether what you pay for something is what it is worth (to you in particular) that determines whether you "win" or "lose", not simply that you paid the most.

What I'm saying is that someone like Boyd is worth a lot, because of his talent and attributes and what he brings to the table and not a lot of clubs will have something that is worth as much as Boyd is that they will be prepared to trade and hence will not be in the running.

I'm not suggesting that we overpay for him, but just because something is expensive doesn't mean it's not worth what it costs to acquire it.

 

[MightySaint]

Straw poll: 20% chance at a young Reiwoldt or 60% chance at a young Hayes?