Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

[FyfesBoot]

This is all about the interim report!!

How often are people put up before a tribunal based upon the info in an interim report when the final report is close to completion?

The interim report is a joke, if more information is needed as you say it is, they should we waiting to issue sanctions AFTER the final report is complete.

The final report is nowhere near close to completion.

If it's done and dusted before the season starts next year I'll be shocked and surprised. If it takes too long, I hope they consider releasing a second interim report just to keep us all up to date.

 

[mxett]

The final report is nowhere near close to completion.

If it's done and dusted before the season starts next year I'll be shocked and surprised. If it takes too long, I hope they consider releasing a second interim report just to keep us all up to date.

Why? 7 months and over 100 interviews not long enough?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

How do you know what is in the interim report?.....You're speculating that it was only the interim report that put Essendon before an AFL tribunal...It was an AFL- ASADA investigation..It would be reasonable to assume that the interim report would have confirmed the AFL's own findings....And as far as my career, like the above, your guessing is miles off!

I know it's an interim report because they told us. Are you now claiming its the final report?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The final report is nowhere near close to completion.

If it's done and dusted before the season starts next year I'll be shocked and surprised. If it takes too long, I hope they consider releasing a second interim report just to keep us all up to date.

Other than Dank who is left to interview?

 

[PieBeast]

The bad news for the Essendon players is that there remains no guarantee that infraction notices will not be served. Despite the fact ASADA believes it has enough evidence to move on players, it is waiting to continue investigating Essendon's program under new legislative powers.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/...arges-laid-20130813-2rumw.html?skin=text-only

#standbycaro.

The 400-page document does not name one Bombers player, simply because ASADA legislation does not allow it to identify anyone until it issues a doping infraction. Australian Sports Anti-Doping Authority sanctions against several Essendon players will follow but there is no determined end date, the imminence of the AFL finals being irrelevant to the anti-doping body's investigation.

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/wada-wo...epares-to-charge-essendon-20130811-2rq9h.html

#standbyroy

 

[BlueWorld]

Why? 7 months and over 100 interviews not long enough?

Ask Lance Armstrong how long it took to nail him.

 

[PieBeast]

Watson's manager Craig Kelly, of Elite Sports Properties, confirmed his concerns on Thursday night. "We caught up with Jobe and all our Essendon players after the club was charged," he said.
"Jobe put his name to a statement and he realised after re-reading it that he would have changed a few words because he knows the players could still be sanctioned.

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-warned-over-asada-20130815-2rzn6.html
#standbyjobe

You fellas have gone awfully quiet, speak up don't be shy.

 

[FootyGeek]

But Lance was 100% sure the players were in the clear and has been sleeping like a baby.

 

[Armchair Critic]

http://www.smh.com.au/afl/afl-news/jobe-watson-warned-over-asada-20130815-2rzn6.html
#standbyjobe

You fellas have gone awfully quiet, speak up don't be shy.

It is pretty sad ,after all that went on, the club is still trying to push the players agenda for them.

You would have thought they might have learn't to leave the players out of it by now.

 

[Football Pope]

I know it's an interim report because they told us. Are you now claiming its the final report?

Great!...What made you tell us that?

 

[FyfesBoot]

Why? 7 months and over 100 interviews not long enough?

It's only going to be long enough when the detail of the program is known, and some of the major players are helping to delay that process. So no, not long enough.

 

[FyfesBoot]

Other than Dank who is left to interview?

Has Charters spilled his guts yet? How about the guy who bought the Mexican stuff? All of the prescribing doctors? The peptide suppliers?

How long is a piece of string?

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Has Charters spilled his guts yet? How about the guy who bought the Mexican stuff? All of the prescribing doctors? The peptide suppliers?

How long is a piece of string?

Charter is done

Haven't read the Mexican article so no idea who's behind that

Docs I believe are done

Don't believe they know the other peptide supplier (he was an alt supplier for Dank outside charter)

 

[Ned_Flanders]

Great!...What made you tell us that?

You, because you asked how we know it's an interim report and not the final one

I'm done replying to you though, you have no intent to actually discuss this, and are just trolling for a fight

 

[mxett]

It's only going to be long enough when the detail of the program is known, and some of the major players are helping to delay that process. So no, not long enough.

So who else is left to interview? Dank. Good luck with that since he has repeatedly professed his innocence.

 

[Football Pope]

You, because you asked how we know it's an interim report and not the final one

I'm done replying to you though, you have no intent to actually discuss this, and are just trolling for a fight

No I didn't...I asked..

How do you know what is in the interim report?.....You're speculating that it was only the interim report that put Essendon before an AFL tribunal...It was an AFL- ASADA investigation..It would be reasonable to assume that the interim report would have confirmed the AFL's own findings....And as far as my career, like the above, your guessing is miles off!

Um..Nah you've misread what's actually written and gone off half cocked then make claims I'm trolling...Happy to discuss it if you can at least follow a conversation and not make up crap!

 

[Armchair Critic]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fl-charge-sheets/story-fni5f6kv-1226698051540

It makes me sick

 

[FyfesBoot]

So who else is left to interview? Dank. Good luck with that since he has repeatedly professed his innocence.

Nobody suggested Dank was guilty of anything, but he holds the key to the supplements program because he holds the records. The records he has to hand over now that ASADA has a couple of milk teeth bursting through and can fine him $5100 a day for obstruction.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

No I didn't...I asked..


Um..Nah you've misread what's actually written and gone off half cocked then making claims I'm trolling...Happy to discuss it if you can at least follow a conversation and not make up crap!

Sorry for the misread. On that, again what's in the interim is irrelevant - its not finished!!!

How can you determine guilt and a fair penalty while evidence is still being gathered and all facts are not known? You can only do so if you make assumptions that nothing else which may influence the adjudication is going to arise, which is a massive assumption.

This is not about getting a just outcome, just a quick one, and only helps the efc cause to take this to court for denial of natural justice

 

[Hearts to hearts]

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...fl-charge-sheets/story-fni5f6kv-1226698051540

It makes me sick

Interesting report in there too that the Bombers lawyers will argue that they have a loophole with the compounding chemist so AOD doesn't come under S0 - no mention of getting the all clear from ASADA.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Interesting report in there too that the Bombers lawyers will argue that they have a loophole with the compounding chemist so AOD doesn't come under S0 - no mention of getting the all clear from ASADA.

Accessing unapproved products

There are a number of ways that patients can gain access to products that have not been approved for use in Australia.

http://www.tga.gov.au/hp/access.htm

It looks like it's clearly not approved to me.Good luck with that one Essendon

 

[Football Pope]

Sorry for the misread. On that, again what's in the interim is irrelevant - its not finished!!!

How can you determine guilt and a fair penalty while evidence is still being gathered and all facts are not known? You can only do so if you make assumptions that nothing else which may influence the adjudication is going to arise, which is a massive assumption.

This is not about getting a just outcome, just a quick one, and only helps the efc cause to take this to court for denial of natural justice

No probs...

The other side of that is the AFL charges are based on governance issues..EFC's Ziggy report stated there was governance issues...haven't Essendon admitted guilt by conceding it made mistakes.?...On that could the assumption be made that part of the investigation is over?

 

[Chameleon75]

Sorry for the misread. On that, again what's in the interim is irrelevant - its not finished!!!

How can you determine guilt and a fair penalty while evidence is still being gathered and all facts are not known? You can only do so if you make assumptions that nothing else which may influence the adjudication is going to arise, which is a massive assumption.

This is not about getting a just outcome, just a quick one, and only helps the efc cause to take this to court for denial of natural justice

The Purana investigation is continuing, yet convictions have been made. The status of the report is irrelevant, if there's sufficient evidence to bring charges then there's no reason not to proceed, the problem here is the lack of recommendations making it suspicious.

 

[Ned_Flanders]

No probs...

The other side of that is the AFL charges are based on governance issues..EFC's Ziggy report stated there was governance issues...haven't Essendon admitted guilt by conceding it made mistakes.?...On that could the assumption be made that part of the investigation is over?

On governance, no argument from me, I was a big fan of the Ziggy report (which many thought was a joke) and believed sanctions would result from it alone. All along though I've wanted sanctions to wait until all investigations were over.

Even on governance, if more info is found by asada it could dramatically change any sanctions the afl gives on governance issues.

As an example, if dank did talk, each of the following would IMO dramatically change any punishment the afl hand down based upon the info we are aware of today:

1) Dank confirms with tapes Hird specifically instructed him to engineer a ped program that would avoid detection, and to run it at arms length to allow deniability

2) dank confirms no ped activity actually occured at efc. He sold them vitamins, but falsely invoiced them for supplements which had significantly higher prices. To get away with this, he supplied false documents attesting to the validity of the supplements.

3) dank he was effectively allowed to run his own program, with no cheques or balances, and the encouragement of management

At the moment, it appears (3) is the go, but if Hird cops 6 months, it would be a joke if it's later found he was instrumental in the program.

Personally I think asada are done bar dank (who I don't think will ever talk), but if they genuinely have more, they should not have issued the interim report. Fwiw I think this was just expediency for the afl to try and get a ban in before the finals, which may compromise the whole case against efc.

We don't want the club avoiding sanction on a technicality like denial of natural justice

 

[Ned_Flanders]

The Purana investigation is continuing, yet convictions have been made. The status of the report is irrelevant, if there's sufficient evidence to bring charges then there's no reason not to proceed, the problem here is the lack of recommendations making it suspicious.

To use your analogy though, charges were only placed as the investigation into each individual case provided enough evidence and certainty to proceed. Efc is still being investigated (apparently), it's the one case with all the same issues