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ASADA relied on 'vague' accounts - The Australian 27/12/13

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Whatsonswhat said:
By using something legal? And that is interesting; what gave him that idea?
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By combining a man with intimate knowledge of supplements, with a man who has intimate knowledge of not getting caught cheating. Exactly what Hird wanted.

Dank and Charters working together was no lucky coincidence.
 

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Echols said:
By combining a man with intimate knowledge of supplements, with a man who has intimate knowledge of not getting caught cheating. Exactly what Hird wanted.

Dank and Charters working together was no lucky coincidence.
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So Dank and Charters told him about other teams using HGH? Guess they'd know right? Which teams did Hird suspect do you know?
 
Whatsonswhat said:
So Dank and Charters told him about other teams using HGH? Guess they'd know right? Which teams did Hird suspect do you know?
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You're confused.
Hird was the one who believed other clubs were "definitely up to something" because they were more developed than Essendon players.
Dank explained to Hird that he'd need to "change their biology" for a while. Dank and Robinson started discussing the use of specific supplements, but in order to keep them off the radar agreed to calling them "amino acids".

Hird delivered the brief to Dank, Robinson and Charter. He knew what he wanted and what he wanted the three of them to do. He knew he didn't want to be caught out either.

'whatever it takes'
 
Echols said:
You're confused.
Hird was the one who believed other clubs were "definitely up to something" because they were more developed than Essendon players.
Dank explained to Hird that he'd need to "change their biology" for a while. Dank and Robinson started discussing the use of specific supplements, but in order to keep them off the radar agreed to calling them "amino acids".

Hird delivered the brief to Dank, Robinson and Charter. He knew what he wanted and what he wanted the three of them to do. He knew he didn't want to be caught out either.

'whatever it takes'
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How do you know all this?
 
yaco55 said:
I am curious.

You are obviously a person of wordly talents. What would you expect Paul Little to say ?
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I would expect him to say something along the lines of "I cannot at this time give any guarantees on the outcome of the ASADA investigation or the impact it will have on the club. The club have co-operated with the ASADA investigation & we appreciate this is a complex investigation & will take time to be finalised & we look forward to receiving the final report at the completion of the investigation. I will not be making any further comment on this matter until the ASADA investigation is completed."
 
Whatsonswhat said:
Case closed then. Well done.
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As I have posted plenty of times, the biggest backhander given in this entire cluster**** was from Essendon ex-fitness guru, but it also gave a great insight into where this all began.

"The coaching group decided they knew more about the way a training program should be designed than me, and therefore I wasn't the person for the role."

It also makes a mockery of the "rogue element" that plenty of people ran with early on in the piece.
 
Whatsonswhat said:
Conspiracy; backroom deal - same thing. Tall poppy syndrome? Don't think so. I'd say that Hird was just the type of high profile target ASADA demanded as part of their end of the bargain.
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If ASADA were demanding a high profile target, I would suggest they would want someone who is actually well known outside the AFL community as well & realistically of those currently involved in the game I can only think of Kevin Sheedy & to a lesser extent Buddy Franklin. In fact you could take a walk down the Pitt St Mall (Sydney) or the Queen St Mall (Brisbane) & ask 1000 people if they know who James Hird is & I would be surprised if 10 people in Pitt St knew who he was & maybe 20 in Queen St (& these numbers are very generous).
 

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Haaate to be a bombers fan right now.

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Armchair Critic said:
I completely agree. Mxett arguing something is safe just because it has not been proven as unsafe. Glad we can agree
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It's the same both ways - nobody (not on bigfooty, or otherwise) should feel comfortable taking a position on the safety of AOD, as it has not been demonstrated either way.

It is however banned. Or at least it certainly was when Jobe Watson used it, during his brownlow year.
 
mediumsizered said:
In fact you could take a walk down the Pitt St Mall (Sydney) or the Queen St Mall (Brisbane) & ask 1000 people if they know who James Hird is & I would be surprised if 10 people in Pitt St knew who he was & maybe 20 in Queen St (& these numbers are very generous).
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Responses would range from "Who?" to "Wasn't he a character in that Tism song?".

But given the Dank links from NRL to AFL I'd guess you'd get more recognition at the moment.
 
romeoh said:
Hullo- did I hear you mention perspective?
You are firstly, presuming you can speak for others, and secondly providing unsubstantiated claims in anycase. And thirdly, if Finnis was 'unwelcome', I have seen no behaviour from him to justify such a stance being taken.
Evidence please.
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Do you think Finnis' failed proposal to allow players to break their contracts because of alleged breaches of O H and S, which was wisely rejected by the AFL, would make him popular at EFC, or in fact any other clubs.

The facts are that during these type of events, different parties fall out with each other - It' hapens.

Maybe you think that Vlad and Hird still have a cordial relationship ?
 

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mediumsizered said:
I would expect him to say something along the lines of "I cannot at this time give any guarantees on the outcome of the ASADA investigation or the impact it will have on the club. The club have co-operated with the ASADA investigation & we appreciate this is a complex investigation & will take time to be finalised & we look forward to receiving the final report at the completion of the investigation. I will not be making any further comment on this matter until the ASADA investigation is completed."
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This is exactly what Little has said publically time after time.
 
One issue is that if infraction notices are recommended and acted upon by the AFL, it doesn't necessarily mean all will be Essendon players. You are looking at two years of list changes, so some players may be at othe clubs, or have retired from AFL. So 7 players could end up being 5 players.
 
mediumsizered said:
If ASADA were demanding a high profile target, I would suggest they would want someone who is actually well known outside the AFL community as well & realistically of those currently involved in the game I can only think of Kevin Sheedy & to a lesser extent Buddy Franklin. In fact you could take a walk down the Pitt St Mall (Sydney) or the Queen St Mall (Brisbane) & ask 1000 people if they know who James Hird is & I would be surprised if 10 people in Pitt St knew who he was & maybe 20 in Queen St (& these numbers are very generous).
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If you think I meant the highest profile target in the game, isolated from anything else, you weren't really thinking. AFL thought they had enough to be able to railroad Essendon (one AFL team was part of the deal), which they did. The head of at least one high profile member of that team was then demanded; as many as possible were desired. Hypothetically.
 
Whatsonswhat said:
"Recovery allows the restoration of physiological and psychological processes, so that the athlete can compete or train again at a similar level. Performance recovery has largely developed from the sports science and sports medicine discipline of physiology, however many aspects of recovery are also closely related to other disciplines including nutrition, psychology, physical therapies, medicine, and strength and conditioning. The AIS Performance Recovery discipline focuses on providing leading Australian athletes and coaches with education and services to maximise recovery of performance."

drug
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noun: drug; plural noun: drugs
  1. 1. ​
    a medicine or other substance which has a physiological effect when ingested or otherwise introduced into the body.
I'm guessing if he was only sold on substances that aided recovery while being within the rules, he wasn't considering substances that would be considered doping though. Here's some interesting reading. http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/sssm/fatigue_and_recovery/research
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The research you linked to has nothing to do with doping; especially your implication that doping might be officially sanctioned.

You are a typical Essendon apologist. Medicine does not equate to doping. Pretending that taking prohibited substances is justified because "everyone" is doing it, or because it is only a "little bit" illegal, or because it only helps "recovery", is delusional.
 
Echols said:
As I have posted plenty of times, the biggest backhander given in this entire cluster**** was from Essendon ex-fitness guru, but it also gave a great insight into where this all began.

"The coaching group decided they knew more about the way a training program should be designed than me, and therefore I wasn't the person for the role."

It also makes a mockery of the "rogue element" that plenty of people ran with early on in the piece.
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Oh yeah, such a credible witness too. Definitely take everything he said as gospel. No potential agendas there...
 

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