Certified Legendary Thread Sympathy for *essendon - congratulations on '16 Wooden Spoon (RIP The Scales)

[Horace]

Well I like everything I've seen here in these last few pages and that makes the pessimist/conspiracy theorist nature that I have feel a little bit relieved.

Which brings me to the point of today and that it is to just restate on the anniversary of what Spiita2Azza said so very nicely and sympathetically last year.

"They're (still) in shit. Lets post our condolences.

...

Okay I'm done."

 

[Horace]

And by the way, I am so proud of everyone of us who supports the mighty NMFC insofar as our wonderful ability to show such real symapthy for the *essendon fc in their hour (s) of need. We should all feel very good about ourselves.

 

[astrovic]

If ASADA find out what was injected into 34 players in the lead up to the ANZAC day clash at that off site facility Dank took them to (that Mexican stuff * supporters found that terribly funny for some reason) and it turns out to be a myostatin inhibitor used in the treatment of muscular dystrophy then the players and the club as an organisation are ******.

That's when it will get messy in the courts.

...or does it?

As Blackshadow pointed out, appeals of decisions made by the ADRVP are made to the AAT. The AAT hears appeals against administrative decisions of federal government and quasi-government bodies (such as the ADRVP). The general rule is that while the appeal is on foot, the decision remains valid and binding until and unless it is overturned. Plus the AAT has the power not only to overturn a decision, but also to substitute its own decision for that of the original decision-maker, or refer the matter back to the original-decision maker.

Which would put * in a bind - say ASADA issue infraction notices and the ADRVP bans the players. * might think "hey, might as well appeal, they're banned anyway, worst case we lose in which case the ban stands. Best case they get off, effectively for time served." But what if the AAT think the ban was too light-on and imposes harsher ban? Especially if the players cop light bans on the basis the ADRVP thinks they aren't entirely responsible for what happened (mitigating circumstances), but the AAT disagrees and goes the full whack?

It's an unlikely, but not unheard of scenario, and one that would have to make * think twice about appealing. That, and *their fondness for throwing people under buses. *They'll just sack all the players, blame them for what happened (should have been more diligent) and ask the AFL for GC/GWS type draft concessions so *they can re-build their list - oh, and can *we have some AFL money, *we have some really big fines and legal bills to pay?

 

[GarnerSmash]

...or does it?

As Blackshadow pointed out, appeals of decisions made by the ADRVP are made to the AAT. The AAT hears appeals against administrative decisions of federal government and quasi-government bodies (such as the ADRVP). The general rule is that while the appeal is on foot, the decision remains valid and binding until and unless it is overturned. Plus the AAT has the power not only to overturn a decision, but also to substitute its own decision for that of the original decision-maker, or refer the matter back to the original-decision maker.

Which would put * in a bind - say ASADA issue infraction notices and the ADRVP bans the players. * might think "hey, might as well appeal, they're banned anyway, worst case we lose in which case the ban stands. Best case they get off, effectively for time served." But what if the AAT think the ban was too light-on and imposes harsher ban? Especially if the players cop light bans on the basis the ADRVP thinks they aren't entirely responsible for what happened (mitigating circumstances), but the AAT disagrees and goes the full whack?

It's an unlikely, but not unheard of scenario, and one that would have to make * think twice about appealing. That, and *their fondness for throwing people under buses. *They'll just sack all the players, blame them for what happened (should have been more diligent) and ask the AFL for GC/GWS type draft concessions so *they can re-build their list - oh, and can *we have some AFL money, *we have some really big fines and legal bills to pay?

I'm moreso thinking of the club sanctions if the mehico drug is what it seems to be. The club could realistically be banned from competition for an extended period. I reckon they will more than certainly appeal that to any and every court they can.

 

[astrovic]

I'm moreso thinking of the club sanctions if the mehico drug is what it seems to be. The club could realistically be banned from competition for an extended period. I reckon they will more than certainly appeal that to any and every court they can.

Gotcha. Yeah, that would get messy.

 

[Nate7]

CH9 showing some "highlights" from * press conferences of last year, with the lead-in article referring to * and *their new playing strip or similar and talking about "clean start".
Here's a tip - clean start would mean removing all and sundry associated with the drugs (including players). Oh sorry Spike, yeah vitamins, that's what I mean.
On the plus side, I had a good laugh at *hird saying, "I'm shocked to be sitting here". Hahahahahah never gets old!
Although it would have made my day if he said, "probably".

 

[blackshadow]

I'm moreso thinking of the club sanctions if the mehico drug is what it seems to be. The club could realistically be banned from competition for an extended period. I reckon they will more than certainly appeal that to any and every court they can.

Quality entertainment!

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[Comebackmick]

I'm puzzled by the straw grabbing donialist argument concerning the absence of a dope test related 'smoking gun'.
Just ask Lance Armstrong - not one single failed test but a huge stinking, smoking pile of witness testimony.
Have statements by 'the weapon' and the dietitian been forgotten and where the hell is Dank?

 

[ozzyoslo]

Dunno Mr. R.

I reckon the former Judge has been brought in to make sure ASADA have all their ducks in a row, to check if their case stacks up against * and Cronulla. The outcome may be that ASADA don't have anything to pin anyone with, or it could be that they have a strong case. Having a former high court judge check the strength of the case before proceeding or not seems like a logical step given the highly complex nature of the case.

This is what I think as well....

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[ShinbonerBaz]

And by the way, I am so proud of everyone of us who supports the mighty NMFC insofar as our wonderful ability to show such real symapthy for the *essendon fc in their hour (s) of need. We should all feel very good about ourselves.

Thanks Horace, I just patted myself on the back.

 

[Horace]

Thanks Horace, I just patted myself on the back.

Well done, ShinbonerBaz. Isn't it just so nice for all of us to feel so good about this?

I suppose we should really thank *hird and *co for turning all of us into such nice cariing people.

And by the way you might like to give yourself an extra pat on the back, because where would we be without your fine work and the *.

 

[Nate7]

 

[Nate7]

 

[NorthernLights]

Perhaps we could get the cheer squad to make something like this for round 1. It was done by Celtic fans just before Rangers went into liquidation. It was thought to be the end of the club but they were eventually put into the 4th devision of Scottish soccer. "Your day is coming" could refer to the infractions.

 

[MaddAdam]

Perhaps we could get the cheer squad to make something like this for round 1. It was done by Celtic fans just before Rangers went into liquidation. It was thought to be the end of the club but they were eventually put into the 4th devision of Scottish soccer. "Your day is coming" could refer to the infractions.

The "Your Day Is Coming" thing also has sectarian/political connotations.

"Tiocfaidh Ar La" is an Irish phrase very closesly associated with the IRA. It means "Our day will come".

Meta-layers of textuality from the Sellik fans there.

I like the simple beauty of "THE HUNS ARE GOING BUST!" especially given HUNS is easily swapped for DONS.

 

[Nate7]

I realise this is the * thread, but the following news from Cronulla could very well happen down at Toolermarine TM.

http://wwos.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=8794968

 

[ShinbonerBaz]

The "Your Day Is Coming" thing also has sectarian/political connotations.

"Tiocfaidh Ar La" is an Irish phrase very closesly associated with the IRA. It means "Our day will come".

Meta-layers of textuality from the Sellik fans there.

I like the simple beauty of "THE HUNS ARE GOING BUST!" especially given HUNS is easily swapped for DONS.

Both verbally and in a historical/religious/class manner as well.

 

[Nate7]

 

[Black2Blue]

9,000th post of sympathy coming up. Who will do the honors? Spitta2Azza - the original sympathizer, Shinboner Baz - the * inventor, or the master sympathizers - Wild Bill, Horace, and co? What a board we are. Has any other team board shown this level of care to another club, especially a rotting carcass like *? Makes me think of the Huddle and our World Vision partnership, the selfless, giving nature of our club knows no limits.

 

[Maddox]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-06/afl-appoints-integrity-investigator

"THE AFL has introduced a raft of changes to its anti-doping code after a year of controversy, with a ban now in place on injections unless they are required to treat a medical condition."

 

[Nate7]

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2014-02-06/afl-appoints-integrity-investigator

"THE AFL has introduced a raft of changes to its anti-doping code after a year of controversy, with a ban now in place on injections unless they are required to treat a medical condition."

I heard that on morning radio and had a chuckle to myself, moreso at the delivery from the individual reading it out - quite clearly aimed at *.
But I'm sure *they'll all be rushing to get fake Dr credentials written up by some joint in China. * are imploding one day at a time - I'm loving it, bring on round 1!

 

[Nate7]

Macca? fishardansin? Trying to blow out your birthday candles?

 

[ShinbonerBaz]

Another article from Roy Masters comparing the investigations between * and Cronulla and how hard it will be for WADA to accept that *Dank operated any differently at the two clubs.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/wada-may-not-believe-fanciful-tale-of-two-cities-20140206-324or.html

 

[astrovic]

I'm puzzled by the straw grabbing donialist argument concerning the absence of a dope test related 'smoking gun'.
Just ask Lance Armstrong - not one single failed test but a huge stinking, smoking pile of witness testimony.
Have statements by 'the weapon' and the dietitian been forgotten and where the hell is Dank?

Yeah, nah...it's got similarities to the Armstrong situation in that there was no smoking gun there either. A smoking gun would be a failed dope test or at least a direct admission by player or staff that banned substances were taken (by that I mean the staff giving the injection and the player receiving it). Like Armstrong we don't have any failed tests and no direct admissions (even *Jobe's admission was that he thinks he was given AOD, not that he definitely was given it).

IIRC that was the scenario re: Armstrong. So, IIRC the investigators painstakingly built a case based primarily on circumstantial evidence that made it overwhelmingly clear that Armstrong must have doped. The lack of a smoking gun didn't save Armstrong, it just made the investigators' job harder and slower as they had to cover off all the alternative explanations and possibilities to leave only one plausible explanation (ie doping).

So * supporters can bang on all they like about their being no smoking gun, but that's a long way from concluding that ASADA won't compile a convincing circumstantial case.

 

[astrovic]

Another article from Roy Masters comparing the investigations between * and Cronulla and how hard it will be for WADA to accept that *Dank operated any differently at the two clubs.

http://www.theage.com.au/sport/wada-may-not-believe-fanciful-tale-of-two-cities-20140206-324or.html

All he seems to care about is ensuring that if Cronulla goes down, * goes down too. Screw the facts.

I'm all for * copping a belting if they deserve it, but playing the old "Miss! Miss! *Jimmy did it too Miss! Why aren't you punishing him too Miss!" line is straight out of high school, and Roy's photo suggets he might be a little old for that.