Certified Legendary Thread 34 Essendon* Players suspended for doping violations - No opposition fans. Check OP for thread rules

[zeeCFC]

I've heard lil whispers similar

No you haven't

 

[mike ockerts]

No you haven't

Well actually I have Zee, do I believe them?? I can tell you I don't, i want the scum to go down as much as anyone around here.

 

[BlueSoulTen]

Drug cheats have managed to escape any punishment what a joke.

 

[mike ockerts]

Oh and I'm not trying to say I have inside knowledge or the sort, just something that was said to me via somebody who thinks they are in the know, as I said, do I believe him, the answer is no.

 

[mike ockerts]

Drug cheats have managed to escape any punishment what a joke.

What makes you say that?

 

[BlueSoulTen]

What makes you say that?

Because everything that is happening now is a prelude to a cover up.

 

[mike ockerts]

Because everything that is happening now is a prelude to a cover up.

I hope your wrong mate.

 

[BlueSoulTen]

I hope your wrong mate.

So do I, but just look at the events going on now it's a ****ing joke. The druggies are going to be given a free pass, disgusting how they have been cheating for decade's and gotten away with it.

 

[Old Dark Blues]

So do I, but just look at the events going on now it's a ******* joke. The druggies are going to be given a free pass, disgusting how they have been cheating for decade's and gotten away with it.

Cheating in sports is not a domestic issue - no matter how hard Essendon or the AFL want it to be. It simply isn't.

Cheating with drugs in sport is a world wide issue and if it is not dealt with in a manner according to the world authority - then the WORLD authority loses all legitimacy.

You simply can not have one code, AFL, a signatory to the code, ignore everything in order to reward itself - they have NO CHOICE.

If they are not dealt with severely then it no longer matters on a global scale. And it becomes a free for all.

I think its time we started writing to British news papers and pointing out how Australian Football condones drug cheats - watch them get banned in two minutes flat when the AFL is on the front page of the Independent or New York Times.

 

[BlueSoulTen]

Cheating in sports is not a domestic issue - no matter how hard Essendon or the AFL want it to be. It simply isn't.

Cheating with drugs in sport is a world wide issue and if it is not dealt with in a manner according to the world authority - then the WORLD authority loses all legitimacy.

You simply can not have one code, AFL, a signatory to the code, ignore everything in order to reward itself - they have NO CHOICE.

If they are not dealt with severely then it no longer matters on a global scale. And it becomes a free for all.

I think its time we started writing to British news papers and pointing out how Australian Football condones drug cheats - watch them get banned in two minutes flat when the AFL is on the front page of the Independent or New York Times.

Agree, but I have my doubts about what is going on now, if you look at the events happening logically you can see a pattern building and it suggests to me that the cover up is in the process of getting built. I hippie it's not true but I can only see what is in front of me.

 

[Boltfromtheblue]

Something is outof balance in the universe. I didn't feel remotely dirty barracking for collingwood in this match.

 

[ShanDog]

Drug cheats have managed to escape any punishment what a joke.

You said the exact sane thing last week and still have no idea. Can you articulate your point with any actual reasoning or is this some "God told me so" soapbox preaching in a busy mall? Do you know anything about the processes that have to occur for players to be busted for doping violations?

 

[BlueSoulTen]

You said the exact sane thing last week and still have no idea. Can you articulate your point with any actual reasoning or is this some "God told me so" soapbox preaching in a busy mall? Do you know anything about the processes that have to occur for players to be busted for doping violations?

Read my previous post and look at what is happening now logically don't need to be a Noble winner to figure it out.

 

[ShanDog]

I did and you provided no evidence to support your position at all.

 

[MrsEddieBetts]

Cheating in sports is not a domestic issue - no matter how hard Essendon or the AFL want it to be. It simply isn't.

Cheating with drugs in sport is a world wide issue and if it is not dealt with in a manner according to the world authority - then the WORLD authority loses all legitimacy.

You simply can not have one code, AFL, a signatory to the code, ignore everything in order to reward itself - they have NO CHOICE.

If they are not dealt with severely then it no longer matters on a global scale. And it becomes a free for all.

I think its time we started writing to British news papers and pointing out how Australian Football condones drug cheats - watch them get banned in two minutes flat when the AFL is on the front page of the Independent or New York Times.

I was in the US in August last year just when essendon got booted out of the finals. It made the papers and was mentioned a bit when the Yankees debacle was brought up.

 

[Big_Luch]

How is that a punishment to back date it for results which were poor anyway? Essentially they lose nothing if that is the case. Might as well not send show cause notices. I doubt the media would keep it under wraps that 12 plus players have been given notices, especially with robbo "my bosses made me print it' on the case. Think the form drop coincides with them losing some key personnel in what is already a weak midfield and potentially some whispers from their reps saying show causes could be arriving soon.

 

[LanceRomance]

Read my previous post and look at what is happening now logically don't need to be a Noble winner to figure it out.

You haven't provided any logic. You are just saying things.

 

[mediumsizered]

Agree, but I have my doubts about what is going on now, if you look at the events happening logically you can see a pattern building and it suggests to me that the cover up is in the process of getting built. I hippie it's not true but I can only see what is in front of me.

There cannot be a cover up when the process is being overseen by WADA. This is not something the AFL have any control over. Initially they were able to control the message getting out whilst assisting the ASADA investigation. Since the AFL's involvement in the investigation was completed in August 2013, ASADA have interviewed a number of key witnesses & the AFL is not privy to the content of these interviews.

You will find that much of what was established post August 2013 has played a part in Dank getting his show cause notice & the ADRVP being convened to make a determination on the evidence before them. Should the ADRVP determine Dank should receive an infraction, it will be up to the relevant authority, in this case the AFL, to determine a penalty (if the AFL try to fudge this, WADA will appeal & then the fun really starts). If Dank is infracted, this will start the dominoes falling. Remember Dank was an employee of the EFC, therefore any guilt attached to him also belongs to the EFC. The AFL will have no choice but to penalise the club, & some individuals, under its anti-doping rules. How far this reaches remains to be seen however any watering down of penalties, or attempted cover-ups by the AFL will be pounced on by WADA & it won't be pretty for the AFL.

Ask yourself why is Demetriou prepared to step down this year, when he knows he can stay on as long as he wants, with the full support of the AFL Commission. The answer is most likely that the taint which is going to come from the fallout of the ASADA investigation would make Demetriou's position untenable. By announcing his intention to stand down before the proverbial shit hits the fan, he can have the next stage of his career sorted without the stench from the Essendope doping debacle following him, particularly if the AFL, under his leadership, has appropriately punished those found guilty of breaching the code's anti-doping laws.

 

[BlueSoulTen]

There cannot be a cover up when the process is being overseen by WADA. This is not something the AFL have any control over. Initially they were able to control the message getting out whilst assisting the ASADA investigation. Since the AFL's involvement in the investigation was completed in August 2013, ASADA have interviewed a number of key witnesses & the AFL is not privy to the content of these interviews.

You will find that much of what was established post August 2013 has played a part in Dank getting his show cause notice & the ADRVP being convened to make a determination on the evidence before them. Should the ADRVP determine Dank should receive an infraction, it will be up to the relevant authority, in this case the AFL, to determine a penalty (if the AFL try to fudge this, WADA will appeal & then the fun really starts). If Dank is infracted, this will start the dominoes falling. Remember Dank was an employee of the EFC, therefore any guilt attached to him also belongs to the EFC. The AFL will have no choice but to penalise the club, & some individuals, under its anti-doping rules. How far this reaches remains to be seen however any watering down of penalties, or attempted cover-ups by the AFL will be pounced on by WADA & it won't be pretty for the AFL.

Ask yourself why is Demetriou prepared to step down this year, when he knows he can stay on as long as he wants, with the full support of the AFL Commission. The answer is most likely that the taint which is going to come from the fallout of the ASADA investigation would make Demetriou's position untenable. By announcing his intention to stand down before the proverbial shit hits the fan, he can have the next stage of his career sorted without the stench from the Essendope doping debacle following him, particularly if the AFL, under his leadership, has appropriately punished those found guilty of breaching the code's anti-doping laws.

We have been hearing this for 16 month's now, the fact is that Essenscum have managed to muddy the water's and they have succeeded. The AFL will pull out all the stops to make sure this is swept away like they have for Essendon wroth the salary cap cheating etc. I hope you guys are right but I'm not holding out any hope.

 

[ShanDog]

We have been hearing this for 16 month's now, the fact is that Essenscum have managed to muddy the water's and they have succeeded. The AFL will pull out all the stops to make sure this is swept away like they have for Essendon wroth the salary cap cheating etc. I hope you guys are right but I'm not holding out any hope.

Your arguments aren't from any logical perspective, just driven by frustration and emotion which is understandable but the actual fact is this isn't done with by some ways. The AFL simply cannot afford to "cover up" a serious drug breach by a club if it wants to remain in business.

 

[mediumsizered]

We have been hearing this for 16 month's now, the fact is that Essenscum have managed to muddy the water's and they have succeeded. The AFL will pull out all the stops to make sure this is swept away like they have for Essendon wroth the salary cap cheating etc. I hope you guys are right but I'm not holding out any hope.

The AFL cannot sweep this under the carpet, because they do not control the message. This is not an internal process like the Melbourne tanking investigation or the Adelaide salary cap investigation, this is an external investigation, run by a govt authority on behalf of the World Anti Doping Authority. The ADVRP are an independent body, which the AFL has no control over. If they determine infractions should be given to certain individuals, these determinations must be acted upon by the AFL. The AFL cannot choose to turn a blind eye.

You are correct though in saying the EFC have attempted to muddy the waters, but this has been with a view to discrediting the investigation process to try & give themselves some legal recourse through the courts. This does not have any impact on the ADVRP's determinations & therefore will not prevent infractions being issued if the ADRVP determine there is evidence to support such action. It will be up to the EFC to convince the relevant judicial body the process has been flawed & at this stage they have shown their threats of legal action are nothing but empty words, because at the end of the day they do not want any of their players, coaches, administrators, etc giving evidence under oath in a court of law. This would hurt the club far more than any penalties handed down by the AFL following the issue of infractions.

In other words, the EFC have not succeeded in muddying the waters, despite the best efforts of a certain compliant media group to do the club's bidding.

 

[BlueSoulTen]

Your arguments aren't from any logical perspective, just driven by frustration and emotion which is understandable but the actual fact is this isn't done with by some ways. The AFL simply cannot afford to "cover up" a serious drug breach by a club if it wants to remain in business.

**** yes I am frustrated that the ****ing cheats keep getting away with cheating I hope they burn that while club to the ground.

 

[zeeCFC]

The only issue is they haven't tested positive to anything but the mountain of circumstantial evidence and the reaction by ASADA surrounding all clubs Dank was involved with shows you what is coming.

We see the lengths Essendon go to with finding loop holes to pay Golden Boy so don't fret when ASADA takes its time and brings on an ex judge to make sure the case is good to go. It's been a long year but that and more is what it takes to take down a huge club with so much money and vested interests involved.

Furthermore, if you want to see the mentality of ASADA look no further than them taking Ahmed Saad to the appeals hearing to extend his sentence...Saad was the one who truly made a mistake, imagine our players getting done by the Athelite Nutrition thing they're plugging (assume it's a club employee's product).

Essendon* are knee deep in it.

 

[Aphrodite]

Drug cheats have managed to escape any punishment what a joke.

Must you repeat yourself!

 

[Old Dark Blues]

Read my previous post and look at what is happening now logically don't need to be a Noble winner to figure it out.

I have figured it out.

You have absolutely nothing to say what so ever and just want to see them punished yesterday, are frustrated at the time it is taking (if they get it wrong, and there is a loop hole you will be more pissed I assure you), and are then leaping to conspiratorial irrationality's and presenting these inanities as absolute fact.

I think the biggest mystery here is why people are being so incredibly courteous and patient with what is clearly an emotive rant.


Either you have something, or you don't - and you don't.

What is OBVIOUS is that the Minister failed to renew the board, there has been a delay - that is it. The minister not renewing the board might be the Minister trying to stack it, get the bombers off the hook etc - BUT - who cares.

If the bombers walk free, global sport descends into a drug taking free for all - AINT GONNA HAPPEN.


Think about it - imagine if teams around the world just starting doping like crazy, then pretending they have no documentary evidence - oops.

World cup, Tour de France, Olympics etc - this is not a multi-million dollar AFL issue - it is a Trillion Dollar global industry's ENTIRE reputation.

If Essendon get off - then it is a signal to the entire planet that drug taking is ok with WADA - now think about that - logically, for one second.