Geelong – most loved to most disliked?

[bulletproof]

The Geelong players only have an obligation to its members and supporters to win games of football. If winning close games is helped by drawing free kicks from ill discliplined or naive opponents then they should keep doing it. That is their responsibility as highly paid professionals. It is a competition, after all.

We were well liked for decades, we didn't win too much then. I probably wouldn't like Geelong too much if I didn't follow them. There is not one team even close to having a winning record against us over the decade.

No one likes us, and we don't care.

 

[yodellinhank]

So let me get this right - in 2012 the AFL decision makers got together and said, "Hmm. Geelong has an aging list. How can we manipulate the rules to give them an unfair advantage......?" You have got to be joking. We give you Chappy and you're still whinging....

AFL manipulate the competition to give a team an unfair advantage? Perish the thought. It's just as unlikely that COLA is something they dreamed up to help the swans unfairly.

 

[hk89]

Suban in the 1st quarter - bent the knees and lowered himself deliberately for a free

Lee Spurr in the 2nd - just flat out ducked

Was slightly crouched after landing when taking a ball from a high jump. Selwood misjudged the tackle, and would have got him high even if he ducked, duck was an attempt to stop Selwood from taking his head off. Maybe Selwood should learn to tackle properly?

Suban again in the 2nd - complete duck into the tackle

Initial tackle was around the shoulders instead of his waste, so when the tackle ended up slipping high as around the shoulder tackles often do he was taken high. Yes, Suban got low to make this happen, but according to Geelong fans when this happens to Selwood it is the tacklers fault, not Selwood cheating.

Crozier in the last - watch the slow mo and see him duck and then throw the head back theatrically

Another shoulder high tackle gone wrong. In fact it starts over the shoulder so was high from the first contact, yes he probably tried to avoid the tackling arm by sliding under it, but again, apparently when Geelong players do that it is a legitimate tactic and the tackler should be doing a better job?

Ridiculous that any of these were paid free kicks.

Really? If that happened consistently, Selwood would be getting a LOT less frees.

If you want a better example of a player just stopping and going for the free:
Bartel

Here is another one with a Geelong player seeing the player coming and moving to a position to extract the high free before the tackle is even laid:
SJ

Then there was of course this classic from the diving king, applies high contact himself and then dives:
SJ again

But well done on finding a few contentious freo examples from such a small sample size.

Obviously it goes both ways and Geelong got their fair share, but don't act like it's just Geelong players that do it.

Nobody is saying it is, but I think people might be suggesting that 31 to 14 is not a case of "Geelong got their fair share", and that is where the home town crowd comes into play. When the away opponent is infringed and the crowd is silent it is easier for the umpire to ignore than when the home town boy gets a 50/50 incident. In that situation going through and picking out frees given for both sides isn't a good reflection, as it is the ones that are missed that are most impacted by the crowd presence.

 

[romeoh]

AFL manipulate the competition to give a team an unfair advantage? Perish the thought. It's just as unlikely that COLA is something they dreamed up to help the swans unfairly.

Who cares about COLA-stop whinging and get on with it.

 

[romeoh]

Was slightly crouched after landing when taking a ball from a high jump. Selwood misjudged the tackle, and would have got him high even if he ducked, duck was an attempt to stop Selwood from taking his head off. Maybe Selwood should learn to tackle properly?



Initial tackle was around the shoulders instead of his waste, so when the tackle ended up slipping high as around the shoulder tackles often do he was taken high. Yes, Suban got low to make this happen, but according to Geelong fans when this happens to Selwood it is the tacklers fault, not Selwood cheating.




Another shoulder high tackle gone wrong. In fact it starts over the shoulder so was high from the first contact, yes he probably tried to avoid the tackling arm by sliding under it, but again, apparently when Geelong players do that it is a legitimate tactic and the tackler should be doing a better job?



Really? If that happened consistently, Selwood would be getting a LOT less frees.

If you want a better example of a player just stopping and going for the free:
Bartel

Here is another one with a Geelong player seeing the player coming and moving to a position to extract the high free before the tackle is even laid:
SJ

Then there was of course this classic from the diving king, applies high contact himself and then dives:
SJ again

But well done on finding a few contentious freo examples from such a small sample size.



Nobody is saying it is, but I think people might be suggesting that 31 to 14 is not a case of "Geelong got their fair share", and that is where the home town crowd comes into play. When the away opponent is infringed and the crowd is silent it is easier for the umpire to ignore than when the home town boy gets a 50/50 incident. In that situation going through and picking out frees given for both sides isn't a good reflection, as it is the ones that are missed that are most impacted by the crowd presence.

Wouldn't give a stuff if Selwood got fewer frees-it wouldn't change anything. He would still go after the ball.

 

[Cosmic Energy]

3 words: Joel Selwood's Ducking

For a guy thats so hard at the ball and such a great player, its going to be sad that he'll be remembered as the ducking great.

Only by nuffies. If he's one of Leigh Matthews favourite players....I'll go with Leigh's thoughts thanks.

 

[electricfeel]

Then there was of course this classic from the diving king, applies high contact himself and then dives:
SJ again

Couldn't believe this one. SJ grabs onto Sutcliffe's throat and throws his head back. Classic dive, resulting in a free kick and a goal . Commentators didn't go on about that one enough, except for Ling who is the only one on the panel with integrity. The rest are ****ing useless.

Gotta laugh at the "OH MY GAWD, WHAT WAS THAT FOR??!" from Sutty in the ump's mic though. Joke of a decision.

 

[DangerSloane]

Only by nuffies. If he's one of Leigh Matthews favourite players....I'll go with Leigh's thoughts thanks.

Can you read?
I rate him as one of the best in the game. Love the way he plays his footy 95% of the time.
If he cuts out the ducking bullshit he might end up in the same breath as Leigh, but if he doesnt he's always going to be a rung below.

 

[romeoh]

Can you read?
I rate him as one of the best in the game. Love the way he plays his footy 95% of the time.
If he cuts out the ducking bullshit he might end up in the same breath as Leigh, but if he doesnt he's always going to be a rung below.

To be fair, even I don't put Selwood on Matthew's level.( and that is nothing to do with ducking-or thuggery in Mathew's case)

 

[DangerSloane]

To be fair, even I don't put Selwood on Matthew's level.( and that is nothing to do with ducking-or thuggery in Mathew's case)

Not yet, but he could be.

Not a chance if he keeps playing for free kicks. People will lose respect for him (and already have), even if he becomes the best player in the game once Ablett retires.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Was slightly crouched after landing when taking a ball from a high jump. Selwood misjudged the tackle, and would have got him high even if he ducked, duck was an attempt to stop Selwood from taking his head off. Maybe Selwood should learn to tackle properly?

Initial tackle was around the shoulders instead of his waste, so when the tackle ended up slipping high as around the shoulder tackles often do he was taken high. Yes, Suban got low to make this happen, but according to Geelong fans when this happens to Selwood it is the tacklers fault, not Selwood cheating.

Another shoulder high tackle gone wrong. In fact it starts over the shoulder so was high from the first contact, yes he probably tried to avoid the tackling arm by sliding under it, but again, apparently when Geelong players do that it is a legitimate tactic and the tackler should be doing a better job?

Thankyou for helping to prove my point. I agree. All sides do it.

Really? If that happened consistently, Selwood would be getting a LOT less frees.

And? You think I care?

Nobody is saying it is, but I think people might be suggesting that 31 to 14 is not a case of "Geelong got their fair share", and that is where the home town crowd comes into play. When the away opponent is infringed and the crowd is silent it is easier for the umpire to ignore than when the home town boy gets a 50/50 incident. In that situation going through and picking out frees given for both sides isn't a good reflection, as it is the ones that are missed that are most impacted by the crowd presence.

Yawn.

 

[romeoh]

Not yet, but he could be.

Not a chance if he keeps playing for free kicks. People will lose respect for him (and already have), even if he becomes the best player in the game once Ablett retires.

Yep but who cares really. He is a great player, he goes after the ball with everything he has. He loves to play football. He will retire with at least 3 flags and many other decorations-this stuff re his legacy being tainted-I don't buy it. And its given too much emphasis. Just enjoy his footy is my advice. The players respect him and i imagine that is what he cares about. At least he will be remembered!

 

[JohnnyFontane90]

In saying that Geelong as nowhere near the top of my hated list.

As a crows supporter, Collingwood and Port have to be up there, but I also have a real hatred for Sydney and Carlton

apart from having an undeserved sense of entitlement what did carlton do to anyone? maybe send us a basket of fruit and a thank you note for eddie betts.

 

[romeoh]

apart from having an undeserved sense of entitlement what did carlton do to anyone? maybe send us a basket of fruit and a thank you note for eddie betts.

I don't really like Carlton either sorry. No particular reason.

 

[hk89]

Thankyou for helping to prove my point. I agree. All sides do it.

Except when Freo do it is

Ridiculous that any of these were paid free kicks.

But when Selwood gets frees via tackles that slipped from the shoulders it is the tacklers fault? I've seen you and other Geelong fans argue exactly this. Perhaps you've realised they are stupid free kicks that shouldn't be paid even when one of your favourite players is the benefactor? I'm glad Geelong fans have finally come around on this matter, now we just need either the umpires or Selwood to agree, and we can all live in harmony.

 

[Bobby_]

the moment Lewis & Puopolo quit their weekly ducking is the day Selwood does so too. Until then, keep blaming our wins on the umpires

 

[romeoh]

Except when Freo do it is


But when Selwood gets frees via tackles that slipped from the shoulders it is the tacklers fault? I've seen you and other Geelong fans argue exactly this. Perhaps you've realised they are stupid free kicks that shouldn't be paid even when one of your favourite players is the benefactor? I'm glad Geelong fans have finally come around on this matter, now we just need either the umpires or Selwood to agree, and we can all live in harmony.

Couldn't give a stuff if they weren't paid as frees to Selwood- it would make no difference to him. He just keeps going and gets that ball.
Would certainly impact on your club though as you have quite a few serial duckers whose sole intent is to draw a free.
So maybe give some more thought to whether Hawks would like to see the umps ignore it?

 

[DangerSloane]

apart from having an undeserved sense of entitlement what did carlton do to anyone? maybe send us a basket of fruit and a thank you note for eddie betts.

I dont know I've just always hated you guys...
Probably some tough losses years ago...that one where Fev kicked the goal from 55m out on the boundary was haunting.
Just some of your players have shat me off too...

Its a good thing though, much rather a game against calrton with some genuine hatred than say west coast who I'm just meh about (yes I know they just smashed us at home)

 

[hk89]

Couldn't give a stuff if they weren't paid as frees to Selwood- it would make no difference to him. He just keeps going and gets that ball.
Would certainly impact on your club though as you have quite a few serial duckers whose sole intent is to draw a free.
So maybe give some more thought to whether Hawks would like to see the umps ignore it?

You have patient zero in this pandemic. He's infected his own team, his brother, and now it has spread to players at other clubs. Selwood should be put in quarantine.

 

[DangerSloane]

Yep but who cares really. He is a great player, he goes after the ball with everything he has. He loves to play football. He will retire with at least 3 flags and many other decorations-this stuff re his legacy being tainted-I don't buy it. And its given too much emphasis. Just enjoy his footy is my advice. The players respect him and i imagine that is what he cares about. At least he will be remembered!

Its not given too much emphasis.
Its a blight on the game.
Just look at other players following suit and ducking the head. Could've caused Tom Lynch to be a paraplegic yesterday.

Now I know thats not Selwoods fault by any means, but he has definitely set the precedent.

 

[romeoh]

Its not given too much emphasis.
Its a blight on the game.
Just look at other players following suit and ducking the head. Could've caused Tom Lynch to be a paraplegic yesterday.

Now I know thats not Selwoods fault by any means, but he has definitely set the precedent.

Yep the Lynch stuff is lousy. And the putting the head down and into people is a blight and it is dangerous.
But Selwood doesn't do that.

 

[Lunchlady Doris]

Except when Freo do it is


But when Selwood gets frees via tackles that slipped from the shoulders it is the tacklers fault? I've seen you and other Geelong fans argue exactly this. Perhaps you've realised they are stupid free kicks that shouldn't be paid even when one of your favourite players is the benefactor? I'm glad Geelong fans have finally come around on this matter, now we just need either the umpires or Selwood to agree, and we can all live in harmony.

I guess you don't know me - let me introduce myself.

I would like all incidental high contact frees removed from the game. I would like all high contact where the player being tackled contributed to the high contact removed form the game.

This would not change the way Selwood plays at all, he would still escape most of these tackles, it would just stop all the incessant bleating from the gallery.

 

[romeoh]

You have patient zero in this pandemic. He's infected his own team, his brother, and now it has spread to players at other clubs. Selwood should be put in quarantine.

Haha Puopolo would not know what to do with himself if he didn't get those frees each week.
Know I am wasting my breath but:
Go and have a look at what Selwood does and compare it to what Puopolo and others are doing-it is actually quite different.
ps. am happy to keep arguing but I have you tagged as simply a Geelong hater, regardless of how you couch your comments

 

[Cosmic Energy]

Can you read?
I rate him as one of the best in the game. Love the way he plays his footy 95% of the time.
If he cuts out the ducking bullshit he might end up in the same breath as Leigh, but if he doesnt he's always going to be a rung below.

I think you missed the point. You're talking about "people remembering him as a ducker". My point was it's barely mentioned, if at all, by anyone of any credibility in football.

 

[hk89]

This would not change the way Selwood plays at all, he would still escape most of these tackles, it would just stop all the incessant bleating from the gallery.

Agreed, but some he wouldn't and there is a difference between disposing of the ball off balance when coming out of a tackle, and having a free kick under zero pressure. Overall he'd still be a ridiculously good player, but slightly less effective due to the large number of incidental contact gifts he would no longer receive.