Past #24: Levi Greenwood - officially traded to Collingwood FC for pick 25 (2014) - retires rd16 2021 due to concussion symptoms - go well Pig

[Psicosis]

Losing Levi would be terrible, the guy is an absolute jet, and makes us a better team. The positives I can take from the whole situation is that if he was to leave, 1 - we would get good compensation, far better then if he left last year, and 2 - it's not like we don't have an abundance of inside midfielders, Swallow will be back to his best next year, Cunnington and Ziebell will both take the next step.

I don't want to lose him and I really hope we don't but I don't think it would be the end of the world.

 

[bird_man]

Well you came to the right place to ask. After all it is us as a collective that decide such things. :stern look

Okay mate, do you mind asking Scotty for me and getting back to me?

What do YOU think is a good deal?

 

[Daz]

I have not enjoyed reading people saying we'd be fine because Jacobs/Dumont would just step up.

The standard Levi played at is bloody tough to get to.

Also disagree about him not being vital. We've got a good midfield but not many great, complete athletes. No one comes close to his strength/speed/endurance combination.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Yep. Its taken Levi 6-7 years to get to this level. Dumont can't just step in.

Cunnington and Ziebell are still only growing into the roles.

 

[WowWeee]

levi leaving would be a HUGE mistake, runs hard, awesome defensively, can get into scoring position, can tag, awesome clearance player.. still cant believe we offered higgins 3 years @ 400k with an option for a 4th year, whilst trying to low ball levi.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

Collingwood have offered 4 years. WB 3.

 

[Smoocher]

If we lose Greenwood because we offered Higgins $400K per annum then my family membership will not be renewed.

 

[Black Diamond]

If we lose Greenwood because we offered Higgins $400K per annum then my family membership will not be renewed.

How will you prove the offer to Higgins is what stopped us signing Greenwood?

Guys, get a grip. There is no way it will be as simple as Greenwood out, Higgins in.

 

[Smoocher]

How will you prove the offer to Higgins is what stopped us signing Greenwood?

Guys, get a grip. There is no way it will be as simple as Greenwood out, Higgins in.

Regardless. If they had put energy into signing Greenwood up a month ago with a decent offer we would not have 2-3 other clubs now pushing up his price and making it even harder for us now.

 

[Benno_900]

Levi is well within his rights to leave for more $$$/longer contract after the way we treated him in 2013.

****ing Sierakowski getting games ahead of him. Still livid at that shit.

 

[Black Diamond]

Regardless. If they had put energy into signing Greenwood up a month ago with a decent offer we would not have 2-3 other clubs now pushing up his price and making it even harder for us now.

Do you know how much energy they put into it? Maybe the reason they chased Higgins is because they realised Greenwood had made up his mind to leave?

Maybe the offer we made already was reasonable but Greenwood is the one being difficult?

 

[kangaspurs]

Do you know how much energy they put into it? Maybe the reason they chased Higgins is because they realised Greenwood had made up his mind to leave?

Maybe the offer we made already was reasonable but Greenwood is the one being difficult?

Could not agree with your two most recent posts more. So often since I've been on BF i've seen members of this board thinking they know far better than the people who actually get paid to make these decisions and have a first hand perspective on what is actually happening. Too often on matters such as selection, why player x is playing poorly, list management and other such discussions posters believe that they know best when in reality they have very little clue about the inside machinations of the North Melbourne Football Club.

EDIT: This isn't a remark to Smoocher in particular, just a general observance I've made.

 

[Smoocher]

If reports of $270K being offered are right then that is nowhere near being reasonable. He should have had a straight up $1mil over 3 years to start with.

 

[Smoocher]

Could not agree with your two most recent posts more. So often since I've been on BF i've seen members of this board thinking they know far better than the people who actually get paid to make these decisions and have a first hand perspective on what is actually happening. Too often on matters such as selection, why player x is playing poorly, list management and other such discussions posters believe that they know best when in reality they have very little clue about the inside machinations of the North Melbourne Football Club.

Ben Jacobs, McKenzie just to name a few in the last 2 years. Yeh, those working at the club always know better. When you have a gun like Greenwood you don't let him walk. We get pick 10 or 15 or 25 for him and we pick up a player who then has a 50% chance of being decent in 2-3 years. Yeh Nah good business move that one.

 

[Daz]

If reports of $270K being offered are right then that is nowhere near being reasonable. He should have had a straight up $1mil over 3 years to start with.

Ironically that's the contract he's just about to finish.

 

[justroyal]

Guys chill. We might lose greenwood. But at least that means we can re open the david swallow thread again!

 

[Smoocher]

Guys chill. We might lose greenwood. But at least that means we can re open the david swallow thread again!

If we can't afford Greenwood then good luck finding $600K PA for Swallow.

 

[kangaspurs]

Ben Jacobs, McKenzie just to name a few in the last 2 years. Yeh, those working at the club always know better. When you have a gun like Greenwood you don't let him walk. We get pick 10 or 15 or 25 for him and we pick up a player who then has a 50% chance of being decent in 2-3 years. Yeh Nah good business move that one.

I would suggest that, yeah, they do. They see these players every day, watch them play every game, bet it AFL or VFL and fully understand the roles that they are being asked to play becasue they are the ones that tasked the player with it. The point is, how do you, or anyone here for that matter, know that they're "just letting him walk?" I think it's unlikely the list managers and CEO have just suddenly thought a couple of days ago that "wow one of our best players this year is out of contract but we should let other clubs talk to him first."

 

[Lemma]

As good as Greenwood's year has been, it's only been one good year. People are talking as if he's Gary Ablett. If there's more than one club after him we should get a good deal. That said, would rather he stayed.

 

[Smoocher]

As good as Greenwood's year has been, it's only been one good year. People are talking as if he's Gary Ablett. If there's more than one club after him we should get a good deal. That said, would rather he stayed.

So based on your thinking it is OK to let players go after they finally have a break out year. Carey could have been traded in 1993, Boomer in 1998, Cunnington qualifies to be let go as well this year after having a breakout year. We finally have Greenwood playing football which puts him in the best 5 players at the club and BY JINGOS we'll let him go because maybe it was a once off.

 

[R00StaR]

If reports of $270K being offered are right then that is nowhere near being reasonable. He should have had a straight up $1mil over 3 years to start with.

He's played 1 good year, based on that year id say a worth of around $350k.
$270-$300k with incentives to earn up to $350k for backing it up seems fair.

Maybe the club felt he didnt work hard enough in previous years and worried he'll slip back with a nice long non incentive based contract? Pulled his finger out in the last year perhaps?

Im happy to back the club on this one. Id like him to stay, take an incentive based contract for a few years, prove its not a one hit season and we'll roll out another 2-3 years.

 

[Black Diamond]

If reports of $270K being offered are right then that is nowhere near being reasonable. He should have had a straight up $1mil over 3 years to start with.

You don't know what any of them are getting paid though, do you? And you certainly don't know that the money going to Higgins is what is stopping us signing Greenwood. After all, you said:

If we lose Greenwood because we offered Higgins $400K per annum then my family membership will not be renewed.

Maybe each of Cunnington, Goldstein, Wells, Harvey and Ziebell are on $10k a year too much. Maybe that money is the sticking point and not the Higgins' contract which could be for a very normal amount.

Ben Jacobs, McKenzie just to name a few in the last 2 years. Yeh, those working at the club always know better. When you have a gun like Greenwood you don't let him walk. We get pick 10 or 15 or 25 for him and we pick up a player who then has a 50% chance of being decent in 2-3 years. Yeh Nah good business move that one.

McKenzie and Jacobs are on their second career contracts. But yes, those "bad" decisions are evidence the club is stuffing it up with Greenwood, and those two are probably on $500+ a year.

 

[Lemma]

So based on your thinking it is OK to let players go after they finally have a break out year. Carey could have been traded in 1993, Boomer in 1998, Cunnington qualifies to be let go as well this year after having a breakout year. We finally have Greenwood playing football which puts him in the best 5 players at the club and BY JINGOS we'll let him go because maybe it was a once off.

For every player like Carey and Harvey, there's players who have breakout years and don't go on with it. * cough* Aaron Black *cough*

Just saying Greenwood doesn't have points in the bank just yet. Would you put him in the top 50 players in the comp?

 

[WowWeee]

baffling decisiong by management if we let him walk TBH. club thinks we're in the premiership window... tops up and goes for inconsistent and injury prone Higgins and Waite, whilst letting a player who had a breakthrough and extremely consistent year walk (maybe).

yes im in meltdown/ kneejerk mode atm

 

[Roosurgence]

So based on your thinking it is OK to let players go after they finally have a break out year. Carey could have been traded in 1993, Boomer in 1998, Cunnington qualifies to be let go as well this year after having a breakout year. We finally have Greenwood playing football which puts him in the best 5 players at the club and BY JINGOS we'll let him go because maybe it was a once off.

We don't let him go, he chooses to leave, two different things.

If he has been on good coin for the last three years then if the offer is close enough to what he is looking for then he shouldn't have too much to complain about. But if he wants to make hay while the sun shines and get a pay day at another club, then good luck to him. Enjoyed his footy this year, but believe him leaving wont be the sky is falling moment everyone is predicting.