Mega Thread Possible trades in 2015 for the Crows

[Niximus]

The game is worth more the TV channels than it is to the AFL, so that won't happen. The TV channels lose money broadcasting the football compared to what the get from advertisers who want their ads on during the football, but they make the money back by people staying on the channel to watch other shows.

The AFL may try to also stream every game but it will never be exclusive. What they want to do is handle the complete broadcast and then sell the complete package with commentary to the channels a bit like how the Olympics do it.

I think this is a case where it isn't a good idea to say 'never'.

Broadcast television IMO has a very limited lifetime remaining, I include pay-tv in this also. Watching TV shows when a channel decides to air them is quickly becoming a thing of the past, and On Demand services such as Netflix and Stan are set to replace them. People won't be 'staying around to watch other shows', they'll be going back to their streaming service.

Personally I haven't watched a TV show live in a couple of years. I only watch the footy and cricket on broadcast TV, so I'm a net loss for them, and more and more people are becoming this way.

The options will be the AFL selling the rights to one of those streaming services (or perhaps we'll see a new one that specialises in sports), or streaming it themselves.

 

[headache1]

An AFL equivalent to NBA League Pass with unmetred deals at various ISPs would be nice.

 

[Pdub]

I think this is a case where it isn't a good idea to say 'never'.

Broadcast television IMO has a very limited lifetime remaining, I include pay-tv in this also. Watching TV shows when a channel decides to air them is quickly becoming a thing of the past, and On Demand services such as Netflix and Stan are set to replace them. People won't be 'staying around to watch other shows', they'll be going back to their streaming service.

Personally I haven't watched a TV show live in a couple of years. I only watch the footy and cricket on broadcast TV, so I'm a net loss for them, and more and more people are becoming this way.

The options will be the AFL selling the rights to one of those streaming services (or perhaps we'll see a new one that specialises in sports), or streaming it themselves.

Streaming services won't overtake FTA or Cable until there is one service/machine that has everything. It will struggle when you have to go to netflicks for this, stan for that and pay a subscription to both.

 

[Niximus]

Streaming services won't overtake FTA or Cable until there is one service/machine that has everything. It will struggle when you have to go to netflicks for this, stan for that and pay a subscription to both.

That will happen, no doubt,but in the meantime I don't think it is that much of an issue. My in-laws pay around $120 per month for foxtel, I pay about $10 for Netflix. I used to pay an extra $8 for Hulu, but wasn't getting the value out of it. I have AFL live pass that I got for free, but that is worth about $10 per month.

Even with half a dozen Netflix style services to get all of your shows, you're still way ahead of foxtel. Not to mention that recently I decided to find out what channels on fox I'd need to get all of my shows. I found that only about half were even airing on fox, and half of those weren't even up to date.

A couple of weeks ago I was at my PC , with the cricket streaming in one window, and the footy in another, alternating the sound between them while I 2ws chatting with mates on Facebook.

 

[Red mist]

That will happen, no doubt,but in the meantime I don't think it is that much of an issue. My in-laws pay around $120 per month for foxtel, I pay about $10 for Netflix. I used to pay an extra $8 for Hulu, but wasn't getting the value out of it. I have AFL live pass that I got for free, but that is worth about $10 per month.

Even with half a dozen Netflix style services to get all of your shows, you're still way ahead of foxtel. Not to mention that recently I decided to find out what channels on fox I'd need to get all of my shows. I found that only about half were even airing on fox, and half of those weren't even up to date.

A couple of weeks ago I was at my PC , with the cricket streaming in one window, and the footy in another, alternating the sound between them while I 2ws chatting with mates on Facebook.

Multitasking frenzy.

 

[ManInTheArena]

...The Crows don't have a list that's too bad, but our selectors during Draft Week seriously have a lot to answer for, as well as our Trade Staff.

Here you're saying that our draft and trade history has been terrible because;

Like it or not, the vast majority of young blokes (particularly those outside of SA) don't want to live in Adelaide, so The Crows are up against it, whether we like it or not. We don't have anywhere near the population and social settings compared to Eastern States. In particular, our off-field business opportunities don't come close to comparing.

Adelaide sucks. Rebutted, no response.

If you don't agree with these points, then there's no point reading any further, cos you'll just be wasting your time.

Don't agree, but what ever, I did keep reading.

What my mate told me is that in The Draft, The Crows need to focus wholly and solely on local SA talent, where all their friends and family live in Adelaide. Dangermouse is a great get, but what's the point in getting talent like that if they're going to walk?

Drafting Dangerfield was a mistake. Rebutted, no response.

Just take a look at Gunston - that's the one that really sticks in my Craw.

Drafting Gunston was a mistake. Rebutted, no response.

I'm all for Damien Hardwick's comments that clubs should be allowed to trade players against their will, because at the moment what we're getting is a version of semi-Free-Agency from the moment young players get Drafted.

Should be able to trade against a players will. Rebutted, no response.

Until that changes, we need to focus entirely on local talent - even if that means not picking the best players....but only in THE DRAFT.

What you've said as outlined above is that our drafting has been shit and we should have drafted SA players. We should start doing that having seen our mistakes because players have too much power. I rebutted every assertion and you didn't respond to them. Instead you switched your assertion so you still have an argument and you just keep posting as if you will be right as long as you keep going. Your posts are just getting more nebulous and vague the longer we go as if it will mask the fact that you can't back up your points of view.

 

[Rear Admiral]

Focusing on drafting sa players only is pointless for 2 reasons

1. SA players can still be free agents
2. You have to have the best players.

You definitely have a point, but Drafting more SA players reduces the chance that they'll walk.

 

[Paladin]

You definitely have a point, but Drafting more SA players reduces the chance that they'll walk.

I'm confused weren't Bock and Davis SA based? Your idea is ridiculous.

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

You definitely have a point, but Drafting more SA players reduces the chance that they'll walk.

Davis?
Bock?

We have probably lost similar % of locals.

 

[Pdub]

That will happen, no doubt

I wouldn't hold your breath, the only thing that stops a unified solution to streaming media is greed, the technology to run it is simple an not that expensive to build. There is not a huge amount of money to be made in supplying the media to a service, no more than they are getting now, but there are huge amounts of money to be made by the company who ends up owning the unified service, so every major content provider wants to be an owner of it and refuses to give their content to anyone else's technology. In america there is net flicks, hulu, crackle, hbo go and apple's soon to be released service. In Aus we have channel nine building 'Stan', foxtel and channel 7 partnering to build their own, BBC has iplayer. Every large media provider in every country around the world thinks they have a shot at being the service that wins so is making their own version and they all have so much money this war will be fought for a long time to come, because the payoff for the victor will be huge, they would most likely become the world's richest corporation.

 

[tinman]

I'm confused weren't Bock and Davis SA based? Your idea is ridiculous.

Yeah, but if you draft really shit players that no-one else wants then you won't lose them to other clubs ;-)

The club keeps drafting talented players like Tippett, Dangerfield & Gunston. If we just stuck to drafting mediocre players from the SANFL we wouldn't lose anyone.

It's a brilliant strategy

 

[ManInTheArena]

You definitely have a point, but Drafting more SA players reduces the chance that they'll walk.

So what?

How many times does it need to be demonstrated that it's a bad strategy to draft SA only players, regardless of the (slightly) increased risk, or are you going to change your assertion again? Perhaps you could switch it to "I meant if they were really close in quality then pick the SA player".

You are coming across as an obstinate person, who no matter how many times someone disagrees and presents solid facts and evidence, you still believe in the undefendable.

 

[Niximus]

I wouldn't hold your breath, the only thing that stops a unified solution to streaming media is greed, the technology to run it is simple an not that expensive to build. There is not a huge amount of money to be made in supplying the media to a service, no more than they are getting now, but there are huge amounts of money to be made by the company who ends up owning the unified service, so every major content provider wants to be an owner of it and refuses to give their content to anyone else's technology. In america there is net flicks, hulu, crackle, hbo go and apple's soon to be released service. In Aus we have channel nine building 'Stan', foxtel and channel 7 partnering to build their own, BBC has iplayer. Every large media provider in every country around the world thinks they have a shot at being the service that wins so is making their own version and they all have so much money this war will be fought for a long time to come, because the payoff for the victor will be huge, they would most likely become the world's richest corporation.

I'm not sure there will be one victor, but at least for non-live content I think eventually there'll be a few large companies and like music today where it doesn't really matter if you buy from iTunes, Google Play, Amazon etc, they;ll all carry the same content. It'll be a nice fight to watch though, because as you say, they all want to be that.

 

[Paladin]

L.Henderson has put off contract talks could he be our next target? Sauce and Betts could be in his ear plus the blues love handing us good players.

Would slot in very nicely at either end.

 

[Elite Crow]

L.Henderson has put off contract talks could he be our next target? Sauce and Betts could be in his ear plus the blues love handing us good players.

Would slot in very nicely at either end.

He would be gold maybe Trigg called him an agitator

 

[rezagun]

L.Henderson has put off contract talks could he be our next target? Sauce and Betts could be in his ear plus the blues love handing us good players.

Would slot in very nicely at either end.

Him or rance are the ones

 

[Pugsley]

Multitasking frenzy.

Women of the world would be proud [emoji4]

 

[Mattrox]

Let's add this into the discussion about attracting players.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-18/training-arms-race-fear

 

[Pugsley]

Let's add this into the discussion about attracting players.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2015-03-18/training-arms-race-fear

Well the Westfield in Geelong isn't a attractive selling point [emoji6]

 

[BrissyCrow]

What happens if we get the wooden spoon, and there aren't any decent SA players that year. If the top 10 are all Victorians, they'd all be unavailable for us to select and we'd end up with a 'pick 10 player' for pick #1.

There may be flaws with this but if we had constructive discussions I am sure that something could work. As Cleric says we would have more incentive to invest in our own back yard and this idea might help overcome the go home factor. Over a five year period a team could develop a strong core of local players.

By the way I don't believe that anyone has suggested that we only draft local players. The suggestion was that we get a chance with our first pick to select the cream of our local talent.

 

[Niximus]

There may be flaws with this but if we had constructive discussions I am sure that something could work. As Cleric says we would have more incentive to invest in our own back yard and this idea might help overcome the go home factor. Over a five year period a team could develop a strong core of local players.

By the way I don't believe that anyone has suggested that we only draft local players. The suggestion was that we get a chance with our first pick to select the cream of our local talent.

As I pointed out, if you applied this to past drafts, the 'cream of our local talent' is more often a downgrade of our pick. In 2001 the second best South Australian of the draft was taken with pick #71. Now we finished below Port that year and so would have got the best SA kid, but even he wasn't taken until #35.

If we are always exchanging our first draft pick for the best or second-best SA kid every year we'll win some and lose some, but like gambling at a casino, the odds are not in our favour, and in the long run it will give a net loss. Under that system, giving up our first pick would be paying overs more often than it would be paying unders.

What we would need is an academy system like Sydney, where other teams need to bid so that we still have first dibs on a player, but we pay a fair price.

 

[tinman]

As I pointed out, if you applied this to past drafts, the 'cream of our local talent' is more often a downgrade of our pick. In 2001 the second best South Australian of the draft was taken with pick #71. Now we finished below Port that year and so would have got the best SA kid, but even he wasn't taken until #35.

So if we were to finish bottom we could just trade pick 1 for pick 34 and pick 70 and we'd clean up on the two best South Aussies in the draft. Mint! ;-)

 

[Red mist]

So if we were to finish bottom we could just trade pick 1 for pick 34 and pick 70 and we'd clean up on the two best South Aussies in the draft. Mint! ;-)

Gore and Daniel?

 

[Cleric]

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/afl...elder-james-aish/story-fndv8s6g-1227268429339

Yawn....slow news week for the PAPers.

 

[chiwigi]

http://mobile.news.com.au/sport/afl...elder-james-aish/story-fndv8s6g-1227268429339

Yawn....slow news week for the PAPers.

That puff piece is the clearest indication that you will sign Aish. It's simply his manager confirming he will return to Adelaide and trying to squeeze a little more out of the Crows using Port.
We would only go for him at an absolute bargain price, which he is not and will not be available for.