Changes vs North Melbourne

[AdamMarrett]

so we'll see you tomorrow then?

Saw me about 10 minutes later.....gonna stay away from these selection and game day threads. Enjoy all the others though about the stuff I don't hear about here in Perth.

 

[afl2004]

Last year he spent 12 weeks averaging over 3 goals a game and leading the Ken Farmer, so the people who didn't want him picked just shifted the goalposts.

Neither Schulz nor Westhoff has fired a shot in 2015. Schulz especially looks like his body is struggling.

Why does Butcher have to jump through hoops to get selected? Surely just being in our current best 22 fit players is good enough?

kicking goals yes but was he marking and kicking straight and not having massive dry spells ? and we were winning with ease , then it got tougher and butch started to dry up not just in goals but just getting the ball in general

 

[tribey]

I'm done with BigFooty. Enjoy the 2015 ride lads but sick of reading all the negativity after round 2. Had a gutful of it all now

If this was 2005 you'd have rung seNET and been all "take my 3.4 Kbps modem while you're at it"

 

[cj_09]

You'd be fine if you were arguing along the right line, but both Mitchell and Krakouer have had just as many or more games than Butcher for Port Adelaide and both have played poor football the point that I never wanted to see them in our colours again.

Say what...

You surely cant be referring to when Krakouer originally played for us.

The way you feel about Mitchell, is the same way others feel about Butcher.

 

[PeacefulWarrior]

I'm surprised to see AhChee in I'd have thought he should have a few more weeks in the best first.

Mitchell, Ken obviously sees something I don't but so be it, no point getting worked up about it anymore.

I guess the rationale is win the ball in the middle and that's the best thing to improve your forward line.

Can't wait for the Hoon to come in.

This thread is a bit rancid. Where'd all these goons come from?

 

[Long live PAFC]

Happy with the ins although would have loved to see O'Shea, but Krak makes sense considering the line up.

I am surprised considering Kraks fitness but he has some form behind him.

Ah Chee is surprising considering fitness and form but why not give him a go and who else would you go with?

Young is the obvious selection and should have been there from day dot.

Mitchell is a great selection. He is fit, a good runner, and works hard at his game. Yes his tackling and disposal need work but he is an incredibly consistent peformer, we know what we will get with him. He kills SANFL and does go alright with clearances. Contrast him with Neade, and we gain a lot here. Wouldn't mind him or White as subs.

Butcher needs 5-8 games straight at AFL to show us what he has. This was never the right week considering the deck, opposition and subsequent games. Post crows game would love him in for a few games.

Moore needs more fitness at SANFL before coming in.

 

[tribey]

Say what...

You surely cant be referring to when Krakouer originally played for us.

The way you feel about Mitchell, is the same way others feel about Butcher.

A dime-a-dozen mature-age rookie versus a first round KPF who via injury and intermittent selection/form has never had more than 5 games to establish himself in the team without the axe falling.

I can see the similarities.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Say what...

You surely cant be referring to when Krakouer originally played for us.

The way you feel about Mitchell, is the same way others feel about Butcher.

Sure I can. I was pretty furious when we first started going after Krak again because he played 40 games of the softest, me-first footy i've seen from a player at AFL level, despite his obvious skill level. He turned it around.

The difference is between Butcher and Mitchell is that Mitchell was afforded 10 games in 2014, Butcher 3. Mitchell plays in a position where we bat very deep. Butcher plays in a position where we need to develop a player as a matter of urgency.

 

[Nelso]

I totally disagree that he struggled last year. He struggled in the game against North, as you'd expect as a developing 3rd tall in a team getting smashed in the midfield. Overall, he was performing as you'd expect for a 20 game KPF.

The selectors have shown that they'll punish Butcher instantly for an off performance. It's time they showed that they can reward him for good form. At this stage, Lobbe will hopefully come back and Butcher wont be required, but with that tall out, we really, really needed to use this time to develop Butch while he is confident and playing good footy.

57-51 inside 50's in favour of Port suggest that we were not smashed in the midfield on that day. We were over run in the last qtr but the game changed in the 3rd qtr when Monfries and Wingard got injured.

Butcher did not perform on that day when he had the opportunity. He only hit the scoreboard once and that was a point. Schulz had a quiet day in that match as well but he ended up kicking 3 goals. Westhoff had 17 possessions and kicked a goal as well.

While Schulz and Hoff have not shown much this season, they have credits in the bank. Unfortunately for Butcher, he does not.

 

[Killer Power]

Alright!! i don't wanna rag on Butch any further he's a PAFC player & I hope he kicks ass and proves all the doubters including me wrong

Amen brother

And yet here we are.......again.

 

[Malibu#27]

It's all based on match ups

True. Same reason we have Arch in over butch.
What's the odds Mitchell is sub.

 

[El_Scorcho]

kicking goals yes but was he marking and kicking straight and not having massive dry spells ? and we were winning with ease , then it got tougher and butch started to dry up not just in goals but just getting the ball in general

When Butcher was dropped, the consensus on here was that he needed to learn to hit the scoreboard more consistently. He did that.

Obviously there are other factors, but this idea that Butcher needs to have X games achieving Y and Z statistical marks to get selected is stupid. If he's in our best fit 22 players, then he is. Kane Mitchell certainly isn't.

 

[Lockhart Road]

My Protege Ah Chee gets his gig. Well done, young fella. It's reward for playing to the coaches' instructions for the last half of 2014 (thus winning him the coaches' award) and for showing his best stuff last week at Noarlunga. Steady improvement as against up and down.

That he'll get the sub's vest as REH demands is highly likely. (REH knows I've been closely following the lad's progress and makes a habit of looking at me sideways even though he knows I'm a goddamn guru.)
In the internal trial and NAB games Ah Chee took a while to get motoring and the last quarters were by far his best.

Great to see Youngy in the starting 18. Stay there for the rest of the season # 40. Show us your stuff!

Mitchell - let's see if the influence of Voss on his game produces the goods. As another poster has said, his tackling and physical game has improved immensely. Saw that up close in the West Coast game.

Congrats to Krak. No, HUGE congrats to Krak. Great Port Adelaide story.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

And yet here we are.......again.

Hyper sensitive much

 

[HHHAMMERtime]

Ah Chee is the one I don't get. I don't really see what a slow inside mid who struggles around the ground is going to offer us at Etihad. Should've been Butch to replace Redden.

Ah Chee actually has quite a lot of pace if i remember correctly. Im happy he's getting a run, we've persisted so long with him because he has such a unique height, speed and strength profile. Hopefully he can become the player we all dreamed of when his name was read out.

 

[afl2004]

When Butcher was dropped, the consensus on here was that he needed to learn to hit the scoreboard more consistently. He did that.

Obviously there are other factors, but this idea that Butcher needs to have X games achieving Y and Z statistical marks to get selected is stupid. If he's in our best fit 22 players, then he is. Kane Mitchell certainly isn't.

i don't agree with mitchell and ar chee but butcher is clearly not ready to be counted on in the coaching panels eyes , only round 3 , lots of time for butch to brake into the team and become the forward for the next decade we are desperate for

 

[El_Scorcho]

57-51 inside 50's in favour of Port suggest that we were not smashed in the midfield on that day. We were over run in the last qtr but the game changed in the 3rd qtr when Monfries and Wingard got injured.

Butcher did not perform on that day when he had the opportunity. He only hit the scoreboard once and that was a point. Schulz had a quiet day in that match as well but he ended up kicking 3 goals. Westhoff had 17 possessions and kicked a goal as well.

While Schulz and Hoff have not shown much this season, they have credits in the bank. Unfortunately for Butcher, he does not.

I watched the game. I know that our ball movement into the forwardline was about as good as it was against Sydney last week.

And even if he did have an off game, he had a terrific game against the Crows the week before. Why are we dropping developing players in important positions after 1 off day? Why are we not backing them in? We backed in Sam Gray, Jake Neade and Kane Mitchell when they weren't performing. Why can't we apply the same thing to Butcher? Why does he get instantly dropped after one poor game?

 

[Contested Marx]

Obviously there are other factors

I think this is the case. If they wanted another tall forward, he'd be in. Put it down as a structural decision, rightly or wrongly.

 

[Malibu#27]

When Butcher was dropped, the consensus on here was that he needed to learn to hit the scoreboard more consistently. He did that.

Obviously there are other factors, but this idea that Butcher needs to have X games achieving Y and Z statistical marks to get selected is stupid. If he's in our best fit 22 players, then he is. Kane Mitchell certainly isn't.

I think the argument that you bring in a tall when the coach wants a small is even more stupid to be honest.

The regiment that butch needs to string games together is logical, but more so he needs to hide his time for when we next need a tall.

 

[El_Scorcho]

i don't agree with mitchell and ar chee but butcher is clearly not ready to be counted on in the coaching panels eyes , only round 3 , lots of time for butch to brake into the team and become the forward for the next decade we are desperate for

I agree that Butcher isn't best 22 if we're full strength. But we aren't. Lobbe is out, and Ryder has had to move from his ruck/forward role to full time ruck.

If we ever want Butcher to become an AFL quality player, we're going to have to pick him in some AFL games and give him a run. Did you know that he's never played more than 5 consecutive games, and even the 5 was a few years ago?

We have an opening in a tall forward role now that Lobbe is out and Ryder has move to ruck. Butcher is a tall forward who we need to develop. Now would have been a really good time to persist with him and give him a few games. That's generally how these things work.

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think this is the case. If they wanted another tall forward, he'd be in. Put it down as a structural decision, rightly or wrongly.

Oh, I do. Absolutely. It's a failure of the coaches to stick to their nerve and maintain structure.

We traded in Ryder because we recognised the need for a marking target up forward who could help in the ruck. The coaches very obviously believe we need the extra tall. They just wont pick one.

 

[Zakk Wylde]

And that's just it.

Why does he have to tear the league apart for a decade when Ah Chee can come in for a debut after 17 handballs and a couple of sausage rolls over a meek South side?

 

[mando235]

I'm mostly fine with the selections. Only thing I don't want to see come game day is

Sub - Young

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think the argument that you bring in a tall when the coach wants a small is even more stupid to be honest.

The regiment that butch needs to string games together is logical, but more so he needs to hide his time for when we next need a tall.

The coach wants a tall. If Lobbe was fit, he'd have come in for Redden and we'd have 1 more tall than we have now.

The coaches recognise that ideally, we'd have 1 more tall than we are selecting this week. That's why they went hard after Ryder.

The time that Butch has been biding his time for is right now.

 

[JimmyBeerCans]

I'm mostly fine with the selections. Only thing I don't want to see come game day is

Sub - Young

Yea **** that, Mitchell sub