No Oppo Supporters CAS hands down guilty verdict - Players appealing - Dank shot - no opposition - (cont in pt.2)

[vast]

So what name does Chris Kaias go by on the HTB?

 

[Dan Cooper]

Hard to envisage ASADA appealing. It's sounding like they couldn't even back up their claims of what Dank was up to at Essendon. Let alone their accusations against the players.

Little wonder McDevitt was a shattered man during his rant on April Fools day. The guy has made an absolute arse of himself throughout this fiasco. "ASADA has very strong case" - yeah sure McDevitt you tosser

 

[damochandler]

So what name does Chris Kaias go by on the HTB?

Chris kaias

 

[yaco55]

Im not arguing what he can be convicted on, Im not saying he shouldnt be.

I am commenting that for all their talk of an absolute slam dunk case with various and numerous charges brought against him, we still havnt received any indication on when a judgement will be found.
ASADA's appeal time is fast running out and from the outside looking in the idea that a judgement isnt being handed down deliberately until after this expires is not the most far out idea that people have had.

The Dank case is probably more complex, and it may be that the two cases didn't run parallel as many suggested.

Possibly Dank's case is not a slam dunk. I have never been convinced that Dank's was certain to be found guilty.

 

[yaco55]

Not sure how relevant the baseball players are to the afl tribunal! Agree with the rest and you forgot to include Melbourne FC - remember Dr Dan Bates stepped down...

The relevance is ASADA banning Dank from all WADA compliant sports.

 

[TheFrenchCut]

Chris kaias

It makes sense that he would want an appeal though. People only pay attention to him while this thing is ongoing. As soon as it ends, those sweet follower numbers are going to dry up.

 

[yaco55]

It is madness that players are having their careers potentially ruined for energy drinks and taking coke in the off-season.
I would have thought this whole schemozzle would have shown up how poorly the ASADA codes fits AFL and the like. The AFL should just go back to managing this themselves. These two could be given an 11 match ban, based on the accidental nature of the offense and we move on. It's madness that a body and act set up for Olympic Athletes operating to events that only occur 4 years apart is applied to a seasonal team sport.

Agree - A penalty between 8 weeks and 16 weeks is sufficient.

 

[Doss]

It makes sense that he would want an appeal though. People only pay attention to him while this thing is ongoing. As soon as it ends, those sweet follower numbers are going to dry up.

Kaias is also far less 'neutral' than he's tried to make himself out to be. Isn't that right, DonsRule.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

The relevance is ASADA banning Dank from all WADA compliant sports.

I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.

 

[efcboy]

The relevance is ASADA banning Dank from all WADA compliant sports.

But this is an AFL Tribunal matter - nothing to do with baseball

 

[yaco55]

I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.

Dank has already lost his accreditation with the NRL but a finding by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal includes all WADA compliant sports.

 

[yaco55]

But this is an AFL Tribunal matter - nothing to do with baseball

you better tell Chip.

 

[DonsRule]

Kaias is also far less 'neutral' than he's tried to make himself out to be. Isn't that right, DonsRule.

Ah yes, that infamous law student.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

Dank has already lost his accreditation with the NRL but a finding by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal includes all WADA compliant sports.

Interesting, I didn't realise that.

 

[efcboy]

Dank has already lost his accreditation with the NRL but a finding by the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal includes all WADA compliant sports.

The AFL only govern AFL - they can't ban Dank from other sports. For example Dank has continued to work as a consultant in the Indian Premier League despite being banned from NRL.

 

[DonsRule]

The AFL only govern AFL - they can't ban Dank from other sports. For example Dank has continued to work as a consultant in the Indian Premier League despite being banned from NRL.

If he is banned by the AFL anti doping tribunal it will be applied o all WADA based sports worldwide.

 

[boncer34]

you better tell Chip.

Where has Chip mentioned baseball

 

[boncer34]

If he is banned by the AFL anti doping tribunal it will be applied o all WADA based sports worldwide.

Yes but the tribunal does not look at anything to do with baseball.

He is facing AFL charges only

 

[efcboy]

If he is banned by the AFL anti doping tribunal it will be applied o all WADA based sports worldwide.

Where's the jurisdiction and framework for this? There's not been one AFL player under Dank's regimes at EFC, Gold Coast, Melbourne etc found guilty of anti doping breaches and he's supposedly banned from all WADA compliant sports worldwide? This seems crazy.

And this tribunal is an anti-doping tribunal. They don't rule on governance although McDefamation may have you believe so. I'm struggling to see how he has breached anti-doping code in AFL if no players have. This is pragmatism - how can you have one without the other?

 

[DonsRule]

Where's the jurisdiction and framework for this? There's not been one AFL player under Dank's regimes at EFC, Gold Coast, Melbourne etc found guilty of anti doping breaches and he's supposedly banned from all WADA compliant sports worldwide? This seems crazy.

And this tribunal is an anti-doping tribunal. They don't rule on governance although McDefamation may have you believe so. I'm struggling to see how he has breached anti-doping code in AFL if no players have. This is pragmatism - how can you have one without the other?

The AFL anti doping tribunal acts within the anti doping code

Players or support people who were issed SCN by ASADA are passed onto the ADVRP, the ADVRP considers if their is a case to be heard, puts said person on the Register of Findings and informs the governing body of that sport to issue an Infraction - the sport is obligated by the code to issue the IN too.

The AFL Anti doping tribunal is set up to hear of breaches that occured in the AFL, but it acts within the ASADA/WADA code/framework.

The tribunal than decides if they are guilty, within that framwork, if they are, it applies to all WADA govened sports

 

[Dan Cooper]

I'm not sure the AFL Anti-Doping Tribunal could rule on that. I'd suggest his activities with baseball players would be more to establish character as supporting "evidence" for the AFL related matters.

Surely even if admissible, that information would have only been presented to the 3 judges after a guilty (assuming that's the finding) verdict had been arrived at?

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Kaias is also far less 'neutral' than he's tried to make himself out to be. Isn't that right, DonsRule.

Of course he is. Even without that costume. Dude's a Carlton supporter remember!

 

[boncer34]

Of course he is. Even without that costume. Dude's a Carlton supporter remember!

Can you explain for the masses on here one last time how Dank can be guilty and the players not?

It seems to be confusing a few people.

 

[84859300]

The Dank case is probably more complex, and it may be that the two cases didn't run parallel as many suggested.

Possibly Dank's case is not a slam dunk. I have never been convinced that Dank's was certain to be found guilty.

In the event that Dank is found guilty on any claim, I can understand on how the tribunal can rule on behalf of the AFL and ban him from the game under their rules and that he can't work for a club.

What I don't understand is where that leaves players who look to seek him out individually, as has been done in the past.

As much as the current actions going on are based around PEDs, it's still not to say that Dank doesn't have formidable knowledge in the field and will still be practising (most likely sans the AFL and NRL accreditation/approval). He was employed at Geelong, Gold Coast and Essendon as being THE sports scientist, so before all this blew up - he was considered a leader in his field.

Unless the AFL adds a clause to its ruling also banning players from seeking Dank individually, I don't see too much changing and is probably why Dank seems pretty calm in knowing he'll still be getting paid along the way.

It would be pretty naive if the AFL think that they could corral the players into only ever seeing club doctors during their careers. Unless ASADA/WADA decide to appeal and win the action, after all we've seen over the last two years, not too much changes other than Dank won't be able to work inside the doors of an AFL club.

 

[84859300]

Of course he is. Even without that costume. Dude's a Carlton supporter remember!

Is that you Chris??