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Very lucky to only get one IMO, looked pretty bad, guess he's just fortunate the guy he hit wasn't badly hurt or he'd have copped a few more.
Buddy - How many weeks?
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waa waa Bill Burr..it's like a Philly Pitcher..
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Lol.
The Hawthorn vs Sydney thing is ****ing me here
Has nothing to do with the jumper and more to do with the player, and what the desired outcome is, with a corrupt money making machine like the AFL.
How many times to I hear cliched crap like,
"We don't want to see good players missing" by dumb arses like Wayne Carey.
Bogan supporters who idolise these morons actually believe ridiculous comments like this... Just listen to SEN and listen to the regurgitated crap from callers, who can't think for themselves.
Fact is, the player shouldn't matter, and reality is... It obviously does.
Even happens in games with decisions.
Can anyone honestly suggest
Hayden Ballantine, Steven Milne, Steven Baker, Ryan Crowly or any random player who is not a glamour boy star... Would not have fared worse?!
Seriously Baker got 9 weeks for a check on Jeff Farmer, which gave him a blood nose, in which he stopped in front of him and Jeff ran into the back of him. There was no video, Wiz supported Bakes and the tribunal dismissed the evidence.
Often the competition is corrupt (Hall vs Maguire) to get desired outcomes.
Buddy on the sidelines, does not help 'grow the game'
FFS
Has nothing to do with the jumper and more to do with the player, and what the desired outcome is, with a corrupt money making machine like the AFL.
How many times to I hear cliched crap like,
"We don't want to see good players missing" by dumb arses like Wayne Carey.
Bogan supporters who idolise these morons actually believe ridiculous comments like this... Just listen to SEN and listen to the regurgitated crap from callers, who can't think for themselves.
Fact is, the player shouldn't matter, and reality is... It obviously does.
Even happens in games with decisions.
Can anyone honestly suggest
Hayden Ballantine, Steven Milne, Steven Baker, Ryan Crowly or any random player who is not a glamour boy star... Would not have fared worse?!
Seriously Baker got 9 weeks for a check on Jeff Farmer, which gave him a blood nose, in which he stopped in front of him and Jeff ran into the back of him. There was no video, Wiz supported Bakes and the tribunal dismissed the evidence.
Often the competition is corrupt (Hall vs Maguire) to get desired outcomes.
Buddy on the sidelines, does not help 'grow the game'
FFS
Crankyhawk
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Looks like Patrick Smith and David king also say this should have been graded as intentional.
Dear god my viewpoint must be in trouble then...
A snip from Mark Evans (AFL Operations manager and tribunal boss) was played on SEN this morning.
Try to recall verbatim:
"Yes I popped into the MRP to see how they were going - they did consider a higher penalty for one case but ultimately were confident the decisions were in line with their past decisions."
WTF was he doing at the MRP?!
This clearly indicates interference with the process.... 'shit the boss is here better go easy on Buddy'.
The AFL is rotten from the head down. It has more control over the media than the liberal party.
Try to recall verbatim:
"Yes I popped into the MRP to see how they were going - they did consider a higher penalty for one case but ultimately were confident the decisions were in line with their past decisions."
WTF was he doing at the MRP?!
This clearly indicates interference with the process.... 'shit the boss is here better go easy on Buddy'.
The AFL is rotten from the head down. It has more control over the media than the liberal party.
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Neither Lewis or hodge hurt their North melbourne counter part, neither did others..
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Hodge and Lewis were done for gutless strikes though. Bumps are still a legal part of footy at least.
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That gets taken into account in the table offenses - strike vs rough conduct.
They other two variables are intent and impact.
You don't get a double hit, ie more penalty for a strike, as well as increased the impact because it was a strike.
And Buddy's wasn't legal, if so, why are we even having this convo?
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This is about the most sensible post I've read on it. FWIW, I think Buddy should have got 3. I hate it when players hit a bloke bending over. But it stems back to all the screaming last year about how confusing the MRP was. It wasn't confusing. It was simple. And it still is (although now it is stupid). But for this you can blame all the bush lawyers like Dermott. The meaning of "intentional" hasn't changed. No one ever gets intentional because you have to prove 1. the act was intentional (easy in this case) and 2. the contact was intentional (he deliberately got him in the head). To prove 2. you have to be inside Buddy's mind. It's not like it was a king hit. There were alternative explanations. He might have been trying to get him in the hips. In fact, the way he bends to bump, that is probably what he was doing.
I don't know why the AFL don't simply appoint someone to explain properly how the system works. By giving all the oxygen on the matter to flogs like Derm, it's no wonder people are confused.
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I didn't say buddy's bump was legal, I said that you can still legally bump. I'm content that getting 2 weeks down to one for a poorly executed legal act is appropriate.
Throwing punches and elbows and hitting blokes behind the play is where players should be getting 2+ weeks.
And didn't Hodges go straight to the tribunal?
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Still the only player ever to have served weeks for sliding.
Yes we made the AFL look silly and they reacted by implementing an unjustifiable and unfair penalty. Hardly preferential treatment.
Now on to the MRP "preferential treatment".
Goodes
2007 Rd 5 Charging Simon Godfrey (Melbourne) Guilty (early plea) Reprimand and 70.31 carry-over points [20][21]
2008 Rd 2 Striking Matt Thomas (Port Adelaide) Not guilty (won at tribunal) – [22]
Rd 11 Rough conduct Adam Selwood (West Coast) Guilty (early plea) Reprimand and 93.75 carry-over points [23]
Rd 13 Engaging in rough conduct (1) Clint Bartram (Melbourne) Guilty (early plea) One-match suspension [24]
2012 Rd 3 Rough conduct Jacob Surjan (Port Adelaide) Guilty (lost at tribunal) One-match suspension and 80.75 demerit points
That's a lot of guilty verdicts for someone given preference.
Buddy
You could try to argue intentional and medium rather than careless and medium. That gets one extra week. Does that justify the complete outrage on here?
Hall
Hall was able to escape suspension based on the rules as they stood at the time. The hit on McGuire was by legal definition in play and the Swans defence team knew it. There was nothing the AFL could do about it. That's not preferential treatment, that's following the rules as they stood at the time. Unless you are suggesting they should have not followed the rules to manufacture a severe punishment? Now that sounds rather bias.
Let's also not forget Hall was suspended for a week for "attempting to strike" Wakelin of Collingwood. How many players have been suspended for attempting to strike? How many have actually struck a person and been let off for insufficient contact? So attempting to strike is worse that hitting a person but being to weak to do damage? Sounds like Hall was harshly done by to me. While in the Red and White no doubt.
The hysteria surrounding this is laughable, all for Franklin receiving one week less than most of us thought.
Barry Hall should have been given a year's ban in 2008, and ended up getting I think 7 weeks, which happened to coincide with him inuring his hand in the same game. The man was a recidivist animal who got a very easy ride in the end.
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Hall did exactly the same thing as Hodge. Turned and threw a punch. He was just more accurate. And more damaging.
Intentional. High. Severe. 7 weeks.
Intentional. High. Medium. 3 weeks.
Seems Hodge is the AFL's love child.
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Buddy has made 2 bumps at Sydney... He got nothing for the first one and 1 week for the second (the heaviest bump he's ever laid)- in all his time at Hawthorn he never got such favourable treatment
For Goodes - check out his bump on Selwood last year
It's obvious to all that the Swans get a more than favourable run at the tribunal
Hodgey never intended to damage, and he didn't. Hall would have been facing prison time if he'd done what he did off the field. Two or three orders of magnitude worse, not just incrementally worse
So the MRP had the perfect opportunity to send a message about the exact head-high contact that they've been trying to stamp out of the game...and they give it a week. Good job, jerks.
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How can you possibly say that? Because Hodgey did and he's a good bloke who would never lie? Never intended to cause damage? What was it? A cuddle gone wrong? Spare me.
Hodge is 185cm. Swallow is 182cm. Hodge raised his forearm above his own ear to hit Swallow.
By the way. I agree Hall's was doubly bad. More than. That's why he got more than double the penalty.
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Hang on.......so you want the MRP to use a single player from a single club to "send a message"? Do you actually understand the role of the MRP?
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No - they should of continued with the penalty handed to lewis to show some consistency and that would of been a very clear message. Before I cop the usual shit I also advocated that firrito should of copped a suspension for the punch to the back of buddy's head. They are either protecting the head or they aren't
