Ken Hinkley's presser after Bulldogs game

[El Zorro]

When was Primus ever clear an articulate in an interview ever. Ken an Primus are miles apart.

I was referring to the content, not the delivery.

 

[raptalia]

I can't what else Ken Hinkley could have said in the circumstances. That was our worst loss since 2012 yet we started well then allowed the opposition to run all over us in the last three quarters.

Ken says he is 'looking forward to the next four weeks', I think he will be looking to see who stands up under pressure. Like Ford Fairlane I read between the lines with that comment. Any player who thinks that the season is over and he is out there for a bit of a 'kick and a catch' may be looking to 'kick and catch it' somewhere else next year.

 

[Croweater]

The boys will turn it around.

People have compared Saturday's effort to matches circa 2008-12. That performance was shit, no doubt. However, that performance was an outlier when compared to matches over the past three seasons.

I hope like hell they come out firing against the Giants, because the true character of a playing group shows when they can go out there with a bunch of effort and smash a team when the season's pretty much gone.

They'll get it done. And next year, with a renewed chance of success, they'll come out firing.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Reckon this year shows us about where we are at with our list. Top 6 are stars and the rest are average. Flag was there to be stolen in 2014 but we lacked composure when it counted. Can't see us bouncing back into real contention any time soon.

 

[Forzaport]

"you're going to want to compete for every minute in this game otherwise you're no good"

Our work rate has been deplorable at times this year.

And that's before we even discuss skills.

 

[finbarr]

"you're going to want to compete for every minute in this game otherwise you're no good"

Our work rate has been deplorable at times this year.

And that's before we even discuss skills.

It's the hardest thing to cop and brings back the worst memories of 08-12. The work ethic issue is one thing I thought we'd never have to worry about with this group again.

 

[MrMeaner]

I get that this season has been absolute rubbish but I really can't understand the pessimism around here. Apart from our performances, I think the main lesson from the season is that the differences between most sides are marginal. Even Hawthorn and Fremantle, can have their colours lowered by teams considered significantly worse than them.

Obviously the club needs to learn lessons from this season. Some of the things learnt may be hard to accept or implement. But I don't think for one minute we are necessarily destined for mediocrity for seasons to come.

 

[Jim Dixon]

I get that this season has been absolute rubbish but I really can't understand the pessimism around here. Apart from our performances, I think the main lesson from the season is that the differences between most sides are marginal. Even Hawthorn and Fremantle, can have their colours lowered by teams considered significantly worse than them.

Obviously the club needs to learn lessons from this season. Some of the things learnt may be hard to accept or implement. But I don't think for one minute we are necessarily destined for mediocrity for seasons to come.

I oscillate between optimism and pessimism on a daily basis. Sometimes several times a day.

 

[JSA11]

Its the first time that he has really showed some emotion, but I wanted him to rip into the players. Name names, out the down hill skiers, out the selfish lazy players.

Then this week I want him to drop all of the above. But unfortunately we have zip in the SANFL.

 

[QPower]

The games against Brisbane and Carlton earlier in the year were at least as bad as this one.

Difference was we had better opposition this time.

 

[Wargreymon90]

Its the first time that he has really showed some emotion, but I wanted him to rip into the players. Name names, out the down hill skiers, out the selfish lazy players.

Then this week I want him to drop all of the above. But unfortunately we have zip in the SANFL.

What he says in press conference would be vastly different to what he says behind closed doors.

I would be bitterly disappointed if he ripped into them publicly.

 

[JSA11]

I hope he has wargreymon90,

I hope he peeled the paint of the changerooms and I hope he peels the paint of the walls when completing the review and I hope its bring ya mouthguard to training this week as well.

 

[Hardcore]

Ken is smart, he knows from previous coaches that sitting at a presser and looking like you are falling only piles on more pressure, on yourself and the players, it will all be done behind closed doors, as he has done all year.

 

[Lagooner]

"you're going to want to compete for every minute in this game otherwise you're no good"

Our work rate has been deplorable at times this year.

And that's before we even discuss skills.

If we were working harder we would have more time and space when we gained possession, so decision-making and execution would naturally improve. On the flipside the opposite have less time and space when they are in possession, which is what is happening to us right now.

It's all connected but it starts with working hard to get to the ball and create options for your mates. Otherwise you're just playing catch up all day.

 

[TeeKray]

It's true that Primus identified and called out a lot of this type of stuff in his press conferences, especially after a few of the more insipid defeats. The difference with Primus is that he didn't know how to turn the ship around or at the very least couldn't hold on long enough to see it through. Hinkley has already shown he can turn a poor performing side into a contender once. He now needs to show us all over again. 2016 is a big year for the PAFC.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

• We were physically and mentally beaten up
• We caved in to pressure
• We are not doing the team things consistently - players are playing for themselves
• Work rate is not at AFL level
• Not prepared to go to battle every minute, every second - we have to compete every minute not just for 10 minutes. Turn up and play the right way
  
• Played like a team more hoping than wanting
• He is looking forward to the next 4 weeks to see who wants to play when there's nothing on the line - who is going to stand up when there's little light
  
• We are tough on our terms not when the opposition bring hard footy (didn't say front-runners but read between the lines)
• We don't want to stay in the contest long enough - want to play easy footy
• Players have to give their guts for the team, then he's satisfied (The Creed)
• He gives a handful of players a pass mark for the year. Not nearly good enough
• This was tough to swallow, one of the the first times he thought this group did not do the club proud
• He is very impressed with the Dogs

Has Ken only now just cottoned to all this?? All these things have happened in all our losses including Sydney in Rd 2. Admittedly the players havent given up in most our losses but bugger me players have let the coach and us fans time and time again and the majority of them have been rewarded with more games.

If he doesnt give a couple blokes games who havent let him down because they havent played or played very little, then he isnt serious. Its just cheap talk.

I go back to something I have written before a couple of times about Ken and Blight dropping him in 1990. He went back to the B grade and was shifted from forward/wing to half back and was so pissed off, he racked up 50 disposals. Blight asked Ken what did he learn from playing in the B's? He said that he never wanted to play there again. Blight said dropping Ken and the way he responded changed the way he coached. Its time for Ken to drop under performing players to the SANFL and find out what they will learn by going back to the B's. No more ****en excuses!

 

[b0ydman]

The boys will turn it around.

People have compared Saturday's effort to matches circa 2008-12. That performance was shit, no doubt. However, that performance was an outlier when compared to matches over the past three seasons.

I hope like hell they come out firing against the Giants, because the true character of a playing group shows when they can go out there with a bunch of effort and smash a team when the season's pretty much gone.

They'll get it done. And next year, with a renewed chance of success, they'll come out firing.

If they come out firing (as in, "now") they should be sacked

 

[1954]

It's true that Primus identified and called out a lot of this type of stuff in his press conferences, especially after a few of the more insipid defeats. The difference with Primus is that he didn't know how to turn the ship around or at the very least couldn't hold on long enough to see it through. Hinkley has already shown he can turn a poor performing side into a contender once. He now needs to show us all over again. 2016 is a big year for the PAFC.

Totally agree Theo, particularly re 2016, the club simply cannot afford two Barry Crocker seasons in a row, the 20,000 new members will jump off just as quickly as they jumped on, and whether the hard core members like it or not that 20,000 is one of the major differences between making a profit and financially struggling.

 

[Janus]

Reckon this year shows us about where we are at with our list. Top 6 are stars and the rest are average. Flag was there to be stolen in 2014 but we lacked composure when it counted. Can't see us bouncing back into real contention any time soon.

Yep, because Geelong/Collingwood/Sydney/Hawthorn had stars on every line when they won their flags. 22 All Australians every year.

 

[ab56452001]

Has Ken only now just cottoned to all this?? All these things have happened in all our losses including Sydney in Rd 2. Admittedly the players havent given up in most our losses but bugger me players have let the coach and us fans time and time again and the majority of them have been rewarded with more games.

If he doesnt give a couple blokes games who havent let him down because they havent played or played very little, then he isnt serious. Its just cheap talk.

I go back to something I have written about Ken and Blight dropping him in 1990. He went back to the B grade and was shifted from forward/wing to half back and was so pissed off he racked up 50 disposals. Blight asked Ken what did he learn from playing in the B's? He said that he never wanted to play there again. Blight said dropping Ken and the way he responded changed the way he coached. Its time for Ken to drop under performing players to the SANFL and find out what they will learn by going back to the B's. No more ****en excuses!

Ithink we all agree with you on this , except , the dropping needed to happen a fair while ago.

 

[OneGreatClub]

I believe Ken has been a father figure which the boys needed initially after the tragic loss of JMac and the shambles the club was in when he arrived. He will always care about them, it's in his nature, but now these boys need to grow into men so tough love is required. Also as far as the coaches box is concerned, he either needs a tactical assistant or more likely he has been trying to teach the players to coach themselves during games and notice swings and act without prompting. So far the players have not achieved this. It is a steep learning curve and so far perhaps they have shown they are not ready. Will he persist? I have faith in him.and believe him to be a wise man though.

 

[Doctor Feel]

I hate to say it, but this team has a history of laziness. It's time to break up this group a bit.

 

[Changaneen]

What he says in press conference would be vastly different to what he says behind closed doors.

I would be bitterly disappointed if he ripped into them publicly.

So if he rips into them behind closed doors it's not working, it's getting worse. Somethings not right.

 

[ab56452001]

Ken is smart, he knows from previous coaches that sitting at a presser and looking like you are falling only piles on more pressure, on yourself and the players, it will all be done behind closed doors, as he has done all year.

Done behind closed doors you reckon , that's worked well then . Somebody wrote that ranting and yelling doesn't work , I betchya threatening the sack, and meaning it does !

 

[ab56452001]

I believe Ken has been a father figure which the boys needed initially after the tragic loss of JMac and the shambles the club was in when he arrived. He will always care about them, it's in his nature, but now these boys need to grow into men so tough love is required. Also as far as the coaches box is concerned, he either needs a tactical assistant or more likely he has been trying to teach the players to coach themselves during games and notice swings and act without prompting. So far the players have not achieved this. It is a steep learning curve and so far perhaps they have shown they are not ready. Will he persist? I have faith in him.and believe him to be a wise man though.

Geez some of our blokes are touching 30yoa and have years of experience , a father figure you say eh ? . Id say a wise man wouldn't have let the decline progress so far to begin with.