Traded Jake Carlisle [traded w/ #23 and #44 for #5, #24 and Craig Bird]

[DapperDon]

C'mon Echols you're not normally this obvious with the troll.

Nah. He is.

 

[GET YOUR DUKES OUT]

I must admit, the "common knowledge" that Essendon are hard to deal with seems to be a bit over blown these days.
Chris Pelchen was horrible to deal with back when he was in charge of list management at Hawthorn.

It seems that the reputation of being difficult to deal with means Essendon get blamed for any sort of hold up.
They were quite within their rights to ask for more than pick 17 for Ryder last year. But in doing this, everyone just says "typical Essendon, typical Dodoro" as the trade drags out.

Most clubs will start with a really high asking price for their players, you start high, gives you room to wiggle down. As soon as Dodoro employs this tactic, he and Essendon get howled down for being unrealistic and accused for over rating their players. Andrew McKay said this morning on SEN that he thinks Henderson is worth a first round draft pick. So if Carlton think Henderson is worth a 1st round pick, what will their offer be to Essendon for Carlisle. When it's way unders, will Carlton be accused of "being hard to deal with"?

On football ability, there are 18 clubs that would like to have Carlisle on their list [Essendon included].
I will be fascinated to see how this one plays out.

 

[#1_pigeonracer]

I will be fascinated to see how this one plays out.

Don't think it will be that exciting. He'll nominate a club and a trade will be done for slightly under what most bomber fans would like. The moves of Fremantle will be far more interesting, trying to be aggressive without high picks.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Know two blokes who have worked in list management and recruiting at different clubs, and its common knowledge amongst those in the league that you want to avoid having to deal with Essendon in trade week, and I don't know why you'd even argue that considering their history. Nothing to do with "media driven shit".

4 days of failed mediation last year with Ryder as well, in case you missed it.

You sure know a lot of people!

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Andrew McKay said this morning on SEN that he thinks Henderson is worth a first round draft pick. So if Carlton think Henderson is worth a 1st round pick, what will their offer be to Essendon for Carlisle. When it's way unders, will Carlton be accused of "being hard to deal with"?

On football ability, there are 18 clubs that would like to have Carlisle on their list [Essendon included].
I will be fascinated to see how this one plays out.

No doubt Carlton will be accused of being hard to deal with when it comes to Henderson. It might come down to whether there was some heads up agreement with the Cats before the Dangerfield thing blew up making it hard for us to accept way less.

Carlisle is in front of Henderson no doubt. Not a great deal in it statistically but he is younger and taller and just as mobile. If Carlton were to get a first rounder for Henderson, they'd find it hard to justify not handing it over for Carlisle. As it stands right now a second rounder is all we have as everybody agrees there is no deal to be done for #1. We also have to consider any WADA ramifications of course which surely has to add an element of risk that downgrades Carlisle's value a touch.

I agree it will be fascinating to see how so many trades play out this year. They have been hyped up so much, there is sure to be a letdown if we don't see absolute carnage on the trading room floor.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol 4 days that wouldn't have happened if Port were reasonable. As soon as they were the deal was done.

C'mon Echols you're not normally this obvious with the troll.

Ha, you love squealing troll from the rooftops.

4 days that wouldn't have happened if Port had only just handed over one of their young midfielders? Isn't that what Essendon were asking for? Ollie Wines?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Rewriting history on the Ryder thing is hilarious. Here we are arguing over whether Carlisle is worth a top 10 pick… and you have Ryder – a far, far superior player, one of the league’s best rucks, who was under contract – and Essendon were “hard to deal with” for considering pick 17 not enough!

The only thing that changed through “mediation” was pick 17 miraculously became pick 17 + 37… and then the deal was promptly done.

Port tried to get something very valuable for **** all. Big deal, that’s what everybody does at trade week, tries to vulture vulnerable clubs. They ended up having to pay slightly more than **** all. I’m sure they’ll survive. But this is evidence Essendon is hard to deal with?

Try harder, troll losers.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Ha, you love squealing troll from the rooftops.

4 days that wouldn't have happened if Port had only just handed over one of their young midfielders? Isn't that what Essendon were asking for? Ollie Wines?

Chad Wingard I believe.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

You sure know a lot of people!

Amazingly I have family and friends.
Who'd have thunk it?

 

[TerryWallet]

It's all sooooo unfair

#standbydodoro

 

[boncer34]

Ha, you love squealing troll from the rooftops.

4 days that wouldn't have happened if Port had only just handed over one of their young midfielders? Isn't that what Essendon were asking for? Ollie Wines?

No their second round pick.

Which we got.

You followed up one obvious troll with another. New name new Echols. Less subtle.

 

[eth-dog]

Amazingly I have family and friends.
Who'd have thunk it?

I call bullshit

 

[SickQwon]

From what I've heard
-Carlisle is likely to nominated Carlton as his preferred club (Wants to be the centre of a rebuild)
-600k for 4 years is on the table (Carlisle wanted 5, Carlton only want to give him 3)
-Carlton will offer their 2nd rounder (pick 19 or 20) and will not offer anything higher than that
-If Dodoro declines and Carlton cannot get a trade done then Carlton will push for the PSD option.

-Carlton have also gone to the AFL and asked if they will be compensated if Carlisle receives a 2 year ban from WADA.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

No their second round pick.

Which we got.

You followed up one obvious troll with another. New name new Echols. Less subtle.

No, you wanted more than that.

"ESSENDON wants any of Hamish Hartlett, Ollie Wines or Chad Wingard as a “fair-trade” return from Port Adelaide for ruckman-forward Paddy Ryder.
The Bombers’ first preference is midfielder Hartlett who, as a contracted player, can block any trade.

The Bombers delivered this super list to the Power at the opening of AFL trade talks at Etihad Stadium with Essendon list manager Adrian Dodoro telling The Advertiser: “Paddy finished seventh in our best-and-fairest count. So we will take Port Adelaide’s seventh, eighth or ninth best ... we’ll take Hamish Hartlett."

Now come on boncer, if you're going to argue points about what your club supposedly never did, you should at least have some fact to base it on.

 

[boncer34]

No, you wanted more than that.

"ESSENDON wants any of Hamish Hartlett, Ollie Wines or Chad Wingard as a “fair-trade” return from Port Adelaide for ruckman-forward Paddy Ryder.
The Bombers’ first preference is midfielder Hartlett who, as a contracted player, can block any trade.

The Bombers delivered this super list to the Power at the opening of AFL trade talks at Etihad Stadium with Essendon list manager Adrian Dodoro telling The Advertiser: “Paddy finished seventh in our best-and-fairest count. So we will take Port Adelaide’s seventh, eighth or ninth best ... we’ll take Hamish Hartlett."

Now come on boncer, if you're going to argue points about what your club supposedly never did, you should at least have some fact to base it on.

Lol.

Come on mate. We asked. They said no.

We didn't have 4 days of mediation over that. But you keep trolling away. Maybe someone will believe you.

 

[TerryWallet]

No, you wanted more than that.

"ESSENDON wants any of Hamish Hartlett, Ollie Wines or Chad Wingard as a “fair-trade” return from Port Adelaide for ruckman-forward Paddy Ryder.
The Bombers’ first preference is midfielder Hartlett who, as a contracted player, can block any trade.

The Bombers delivered this super list to the Power at the opening of AFL trade talks at Etihad Stadium with Essendon list manager Adrian Dodoro telling The Advertiser: “Paddy finished seventh in our best-and-fairest count. So we will take Port Adelaide’s seventh, eighth or ninth best ... we’ll take Hamish Hartlett."

Now come on boncer, if you're going to argue points about what your club supposedly never did, you should at least have some fact to base it on.

Cmon man, you know this post is a waste of time. I posted the same weeks ago. They won't absorb it.

Dodoro is so misunderstood by everyone but Essendon.

 

[#1_pigeonracer]

From what I've heard
-Carlisle is likely to nominated Carlton as his preferred club (Wants to be the centre of a rebuild)
-Carlton will offer their 2nd rounder (pick 19 or 20) and will not offer anything higher than that
-If Dodoro declines and Carlton cannot get a trade done then Carlton will push for the PSD option.

His actions don't strike me as those of someone wanting to be the centre of a re-build. If Carlton draft him I'll be a curious onlooker as to how they re-build. Sounds like a half baked build, with a half chance of being half good.

Your proposal see's him accepting less cash, shorter deal and shafting the club he said he wanted to ensure was adequately compensated (based on reports). Just can't see it IMO.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Lol.

Come on mate. We asked. They said no.

We didn't have 4 days of mediation over that. But you keep trolling away. Maybe someone will believe you.

I agree, you didn't have 4 days of mediation over Hartlett, but you did have 4 days of mediation over the entire deal which had a flow on effect, with other deals not getting done.

That's the point.

Squabbling over one deal for so long restricts clubs abilities to move on to their next target, or to engage in other discussions. It's why Essendon don't have a great name during trade week, which was my initial point before everyone got a bit melty.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

Cmon man, you know this post is a waste of time. I posted the same weeks ago. They won't absorb it.

Dodoro is so misunderstood by everyone but Essendon.

Sorry dude, I hadn't read back through the thread.

 

[boncer34]

I agree, you didn't have 4 days of mediation over Hartlett, but you did have 4 days of mediation over the entire deal which had a flow on effect, with other deals not getting done.

That's the point.

Squabbling over one deal for so long restricts clubs abilities to move on to their next target, or to engage in other discussions. It's why Essendon don't have a great name during trade week, which was my initial point before everyone got a bit melty.

And your initial point was rubbish because, as stated before you tried deflecting, is that Port holding back on a fair trade isn't Essendons fault.

 

[DapperDon]

I agree, you didn't have 4 days of mediation over Hartlett, but you did have 4 days of mediation over the entire deal which had a flow on effect, with other deals not getting done.

That's the point.

Squabbling over one deal for so long restricts clubs abilities to move on to their next target, or to engage in other discussions. It's why Essendon don't have a great name during trade week, which was my initial point before everyone got a bit melty.

If Port offered the fair deal to begin with it would have been over sooner.

This is all Essendon's fault of course. Port tried to screw us. Even pulled oogga boogga clause during negotiations. AFL promptly told them to pony up the offer.

 

[Jobe Watson]

3. No one wants to trade with Essendon if it can be avoided, as they are continuously painful to resolve trades with, year after year.

Were we difficult to trade with when we helped you land Shaun Burgoyne?

 

[TerryWallet]

His actions don't strike me as those of someone wanting to be the centre of a re-build. If Carlton draft him I'll be a curious onlooker as to how the re-built.

Your proposal see's him accepting less cash, shorter deal and shafting the club he said he wanted to ensure was adequately compensated (based on reports). Just can't see it IMO.

I just can't see Jake driving to Seaford and back every day for work. Dunno why, but i just can't.

Not sure i want him leading our rebuild though, i agree.

From my point of view, i would take him for nothing no doubt. But i wouldn't trade highly for him. Good player, but plenty of question marks about him being a very good player.

I reckon he wants to play for Carlton(one of the few) but Carlton haven't committed to him yet. That's why he hasn't nominated a Club yet. Carlton have so much going on and so much to work out in a fairly short time.

Richo was hinting last night though, that it is time for Jake/Connors to commit to someone, pronto.

Time will tell, but whoever gets him, will pay him pretty darn well and lowball EFC pick wise.

 

[BRWB]

If Port offered the fair deal to begin with it would have been over sooner.

This is all Essendon's fault of course. Port tried to screw us. Even pulled oogga boogga clause during negotiations. AFL promptly told them to pony up the offer.

Explain the delay to the last few hrs with Crameri? We offered our mid 20's pick first day and Dodoro accepts our first day offer at the last minute. Master negotiating or being a time wasting dick?

 

[DapperDon]

Explain the delay to the last few hrs with Crameri? We offered our mid 20's pick first day and Dodoro accepts our first day offer at the last minute. Master negotiating or being a time wasting dick?

We wanted more. Didn't get it in the end and gave away Crameri for unders. The nerve. Bloody Essendon giving away players for under their worth.

So difficult to deal with.