List Mgmt. OFFICIAL: Dangerfield + Pick 50 for Picks 9, 28 and Dean Gore

[Wood_Duck]

Henderson is worth 28 only. Irrespective of any other picks that may eventuate earlier on.

That is the only trade Geelong should enter into with Carlton (unless a multi trade eventuates).

Your scenario is horrible value for the club regardless of the points value placed on Henderson.

Yeah, Ive been a bit shocked at the expectation that Carlton want pick 9 for him. No way in hell would you?

 

[Overhang]

Why would Lachie Henderson be worth band 1 compensation? Surely we wouldn't be paying him that much?

I don't think he is worth that much, Carlton obviously do and I'm not sure what the AFL would come up with in my hypothetical.

 

[Frappe]

I had a dream last night of picking up the newspaper and the back page was a photo of Danger, Henderson, Scooter and Zac all smiling in their new Cats guernseys.

Were they blank faces or clearly them? You know how dreams go....

 

[Wood_Duck]

If you believe the Crows' thread, there's been plenty of supporters who have emailed the club demanding that it match any offer from Geelong.

That sort of shit would happen at every club. How many letter of disgust have been sent to the GFC for sacking Stevie J? You cant account for some peoples lack of rationality.

 

[Strangled Cat]

That sort of shit would happen at every club. How many letter of disgust have been sent to the GFC of sacking Stevie J? You cant account for some peoples lack of rationality.

Yeah, true. I know that the GFC were bombarded with emails about not delisting Paul Chapman back in 2013. In fact, there were a number of online petitions created in order to keep Chappy at the club. A fat lot of good all that did. But some of your posters are threatening to not renew their Memberships etc if Adelaide simply "roll over" and don't match. That istaking it to a whole new level again, in my opinion.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Yeah, Ive been a bit shocked at the expectation that Carlton want pick 9 for him. No way in hell would you?

Irrespective of everything else hapenning in the trade world, in isolation the only way Lachie Henderson is worth a #9 is if Carlton is handing their second round pick back to us.

 

[betchsta]

If you believe the Crows' thread, there's been plenty of supporters who have emailed the club demanding that it match any offer from Geelong.

Maybe all Geelong supporters should email the AFC & tell them we recommend they don't match any offer from Geelong, Power in numbers as they say .

 

[Strangled Cat]

I don't think he is worth that much, Carlton obviously do and I'm not sure what the AFL would come up with in my hypothetical.

The compensation is determined by the "band" in which the salary being offered to the Free Agent falls in. I don't know what the lower limit of what Band 1 compensation is, but I'd find it very hard to believe that whatever we're offering him would fall under that band. In any case, Carlton would get a round 2 comp pick under Band 2 which, if you look at where Carlton finished on the ladder, would mean that Carlton got a very low 20s pick. That's more than what Geelong would offer Carlton in a normal trade scenario in any case.

 

[Overhang]

Real sorry if I'm repeating something someone else has linked but this is in todays Advertiser.
Key points

GEELONG coach Chris Scott is confident the Cats can strike the necessary deals to allow Patrick Dangerfield and Lachlan Henderson to come home.

The Cats are expected to formally lodge offers to the former Geelong Falcons pair when the trade period opens on Friday.

Scott said.

“The most important step is the players nominating Geelong as their club of choice and then generally the two clubs need to do a deal.

“But if recent history is any guide, even if clubs seem a fair way away early on in the piece, and that is not my understanding in this situation, the deals are still done.”

http://www.geelongadvertiser.com.au...ld-and-henderson/story-fnjuhrxq-1227559396355


So it would seem the clubs are someway into their negotiations going by those comments by Scott.

 

[betchsta]

That sort of shit would happen at every club. How many letter of disgust have been sent to the GFC for sacking Stevie J? You cant account for some peoples lack of rationality.

Well supporters need to get a life if they choose to whine about a player not getting a new contract, As for Paddy the crows should be looking for the players welfare too,Danger has given your club great service the last 8 years & wishes to be home with his family, I assume your club would choose to be careful after the club was caught draft tampering & breaching the salary cap a few years ago.

 

[MattyB_76]

The compensation is determined by the "band" in which the salary being offered to the Free Agent falls in. I don't know what the lower limit of what Band 1 compensation is, but I'd find it very hard to believe that whatever we're offering him would fall under that band. In any case, Carlton would get a round 2 comp pick under Band 2 which, if you look at where Carlton finished on the ladder, would mean that Carlton got a very low 20s pick. That's more than what Geelong would offer Carlton in a normal trade scenario in any case.

Strictly speaking Band 2 is end of 1st Round, not mid 2nd round. Admittedly it makes about 1-3 picks difference wrt Carlton this year.

 

[Wood_Duck]

Well supporters need to get a life if they choose to whine about a player not getting a new contract, As for Paddy the crows should be looking for the players welfare too,Danger has given your club great service the last 8 years & wishes to be home with his family, I assume your club would choose to be careful after the club was caught draft tampering & breaching the salary cap a few years ago.

I'm pretty sure they will act within the rules. Everyone does, dont they?

Sorry I dont buy the, 'hes given your club great service for 8 years' stuff. He was a well paid athlete just as every other player in the comp is. I want my club to do what is best for the club, just as you do yours.

 

[catempire]

I'm pretty sure they will act within the rules. Everyone does, dont they?

Sorry I dont buy the, 'hes given your club great service for 8 years' stuff. He was a well paid athlete just as every other player in the comp is. I want my club to do what is best for the club, just as you do yours.

Agree with this. No one owes anyone any favours.

Even if this was to set a precedent or reputation for Adelaide, the rules will change next season anyway. This is the only bite at the cherry.

 

[Strangled Cat]

Strictly speaking Band 2 is end of 1st Round, not mid 2nd round. Admittedly it makes about 1-3 picks difference wrt Carlton this year.

Ok. Fair enough. But yeah, as you say the difference would be negligible.

 

[Strangled Cat]

I'm pretty sure they will act within the rules. Everyone does, dont they?

Sorry I dont buy the, 'hes given your club great service for 8 years' stuff. He was a well paid athlete just as every other player in the comp is. I want my club to do what is best for the club, just as you do yours.

I agree. He gave your club 7 years of good service. Does that still not count for anything?

 

[betchsta]

I'm pretty sure they will act within the rules. Everyone does, dont they?

Sorry I dont buy the, 'hes given your club great service for 8 years' stuff. He was a well paid athlete just as every other player in the comp is. I want my club to do what is best for the club, just as you do yours.

I'm saying you look out for a persons welfare too,I was using that as an example, Paddy is leaving the crows for genuine reasons unlike Tippet, Davis & the others who pursued purely for money at other clubs.

 

[Wood_Duck]

I agree. He gave your club 7 years of good service. Does that still not count for anything?

Its a ruthless industry. If it wasnt Matthew Stokes would still be on your list.

 

[big78sam]

Look im sure there has been that happening. Its a real test of their administration. Do they give in to the populist voice which will likely be detrimental to the club or ignore the cacophony of complaining and accept what's best.

So "giving in to the popoulist voice" and matching is detrimental to the club? You do know how unrestricted free agency works don't you? To explain it to you simply, if we match Geelong are forced to do a trade. As all the reasonable parties on both sides are saying, a deal will almost certainly get done. At an absolute minimum this will involve at least one first round pick and eveyrone seems to agree there will be additional picks or players involved. Your first is pick 9. The compo is 14.

According to your logic "what's best" is taking pick 14 when we will almost certainly get more if we match. So how on earth is matching detrimental to Adelaide? I'm sure a deal will be done, Adelaide won't get market value for Danger but we'll get more than pick 14.

At some point there will be a "what's best" call for Adelaide, but this will be during the negotiations, not in the matching decision as you imply (by both your comment and the post you quoted). As an example, if we are offered Pick 9 and Murdoch and Geelong say "that's it we can't do any better", then the administration will need to make a call about whether playing hardball or taking the deal is best for the club. Do they (1) push for more and risk getting nothing or (2) take the deal. The "what's best" test will apply equally to Geelong in the negotiations. If Adelaide say "we want pick 9 plus murdoch plus next year's 2nd round or we're walking away", the Geelong guys will need to decide what's best for the club at that point.

If you mean "what's best" for Geelong, then Adelaide taking the compo in best for you as you will get danger for nothing (other than your later picks getting shuiffled down 1 spot). I hate to break it to you but the Adelaide administration will do "what's best" for our club, not yours.

If Geelong come through with a huge offer that we can't match then fair enough, but all the noise seems to indicate this won't happen.

 

[rooie]

So "giving in to the popoulist voice" and matching is detrimental to the club? You do know how unrestricted free agency works don't you? To explain it to you simply, if we match Geelong are forced to do a trade. As all the reasonable parties on both sides are saying, a deal will almost certainly get done. At an absolute minimum this will involve at least one first round pick and eveyrone seems to agree there will be additional picks or players involved. Your first is pick 9. The compo is 14.

According to your logic "what's best" is taking pick 14 when we will almost certainly get more if we match. So how on earth is matching detrimental to Adelaide? I'm sure a deal will be done, Adelaide won't get market value for Danger but we'll get more than pick 14.

At some point there will be a "what's best" call for Adelaide, but this will be during the negotiations, not in the matching decision as you imply (by both your comment and the post you quoted). As an example, if we are offered Pick 9 and Murdoch and Geelong say "that's it we can't do any better", then the administration will need to make a call about whether playing hardball or taking the deal is best for the club. Do they (1) push for more and risk getting nothing or (2) take the deal. The "what's best" test will apply equally to Geelong in the negotiations. If Adelaide say "we want pick 9 plus murdoch plus next year's 2nd round or we're walking away", the Geelong guys will need to decide what's best for the club at that point.

If you mean "what's best" for Geelong, then Adelaide taking the compo in best for you as you will get danger for nothing (other than your later picks getting shuiffled down 1 spot). I hate to break it to you but the Adelaide administration will do "what's best" for our club, not yours.

If Geelong come through with a huge offer that we can't match then fair enough, but all the noise seems to indicate this won't happen.

that talk is a clear ban on your board mate. dont come in here and be a d!ck.

not to mention if you read a few hundred pages we have gone over many times how not matching will actually get you a better deal.

 

[CoachEmUpChucky]

If you believe the Crows' thread, there's been plenty of supporters who have emailed the club demanding that it match any offer from Geelong.

So "giving in to the popoulist voice" and matching is detrimental to the club? You do know how unrestricted free agency works don't you? To explain it to you simply, if we match Geelong are forced to do a trade.

Not to speak for StrangledCat, but:
Stopped reading here. The populist voice seems to be the 'rather get nothing for him and see him go into the draft'.
We're not forced to do anything.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Not to speak for StrangledCat, but:
Stopped reading here. The populist voice seems to be the 'rather get nothing for him and see him go into the draft'.
We're not forced to do anything.

Indeed.

 

[Catatonic Shock]

The point is while you leave 7-8 players unsigned, as they have, you can effectively match any offer even though there's zero intention of keeping him.

Just back on this, it doesn't work like that.
When the AFL look to see if you can afford to match they take this into account and use average wages/potential increase/decrease and list spots into consideration to any possible match of offer.
You can't just not sign 20 players and say "oh but we have 7 million still in our cap, we can match anything!".
AFL, in this case, isn't that stupid.

 

[Jazz71286]

So "giving in to the popoulist voice" and matching is detrimental to the club? .

Is this the populist view of bigfooty and facebook? Because it seems more and more like the populist view among those in the industry, at least recently, is that there is a good chance the Crows will not match.

Don't fall into the trap of attributing the opinions of neutrals on this site as the voice of reason. Let's not forget that neutral supporters do not want a compo pick diluting the draft.

 

[Son_Of_God29]

Danger Will 100% be a Cat whether Adelaide match or Not either way the GFC are in a Win Win situation

 

[Catatonic Shock]

I'm really looking forward to getting Danger with "awards" of "1 B&F, a few All Australians and then finishing his career as "AFL Premiership player, Brownlow Medallist, Norm Smith Medallist".