Traded James Aish [traded to Collingwood for #26 and St Kilda's 2016 second round pick]

[dlanod]

If aish goes into the draft because a trade can't be worked out, and let's say brisbane go to do interviews with potential draftees what if the draftees refuse to be drafted to brisbane because of this. This is just a hypothetical question so please don't blow my head off. By the way I hope a fair trade can be worked out by both parties.

If I was a kid about to be drafted I would tank the shit outa my Brisbane interview.

I'm not sure if you guys missed it but that ship has sailed ever since Wingard was lauded for telling GWS that he didn't want to go there. Every draftee who doesn't want to be at a particular club can already play that card. If a kid comes out and says this it saves us this Aish-level BS about wanting to build a legacy whereever he's drafted, even if it makes a mockery of the AFL and its "National" Draft.

Aish won't be traded! How many times do we have to tell you guys!

Aish is already a Collingwood untouchable?!?!?

Obviously, at least before hindsight kicks into gear.

It's funny how so many Brisbane fans seem to be so invested in what Grandpa Matthews has moaned about.

Collingwood supporters seem a lot more passionate about Matthews' words on here than most Lions supporters. I suspect you're ignoring the majority in your preference for a caricatured minority.

(I'm largely in agreement with the rest of your post.)

 

[Boris the Contradiction]

Why is it impossible for you to see Matthews' statement in a similar way?

Because Pert had heard your club out first, and you weren't offering enough. Matthews, before he knew what was or would be on the table, rejected the possibility of entering into trade discussions at all. The two situations are miles apart, especially when you factor in that Beans was contracted.

 

[Fossey]

It balances itself out though with those wanting to go back to Victoria, keep in mind you get 50% of the QLD share with GC. It's a much smaller % for Victorian clubs.

From a nostalgic POV, it's a shame a champion like Nick Riewoldt didn't go up and play with the Lions (pretty sure he was a QLDer)

Oh you are kidding!! 5 percent of players on AFL lists are from Qld, where Rugby League dominates. 60 percent are from Vic. Divide 60 by 9 and you get a share of over 6 percent of players, versus 2.5 percent for Brisbane & Gold Coast. We are trying to counter this somewhat thru Academies, but on Eddies whinging, even this got downgraded after significant investments by the Nortern states.

 

[Crazy Tails]

Our media releases have been very gentle on Aish, inviting him to sign with us inspite of him saying he wants a trade. This option is still open in my opinion.

Not sure about your media team but Lethal's words seemed like straight out bullying to me. "He either re-signs or he ends up at Carlton".

No way he does a 360 and stays. He would even go to Carlton over staying in Brisbane. That is saying something.

 

[unplugged]

I'm not sure if you guys missed it but that ship has sailed ever since Wingard was lauded for telling GWS that he didn't want to go there. Every draftee who doesn't want to be at a particular club can already play that card. If a kid comes out and says this it saves us this Aish-level BS about wanting to build a legacy whereever he's drafted, even if it makes a mockery of the AFL and its "National" Draft.



Aish is already a Collingwood untouchable?!?!?



Collingwood supporters seem a lot more passionate about Matthews' words on here than most Lions supporters. I suspect you're ignoring the majority in your preference for a caricatured minority.

(I'm largely in agreement with the rest of your post.)

I'll admit I've missed a lot of this thread, but what do Lions fans genuinely see as fair, anyway? Keeping in mind that Aish is not contracted and not worth more solely on the Matthews' principles?

I honestly think the Pies will start by offering a mere second round selection. Brisbane will laugh at that.

You guys will want either two second rounders and Oxley, or a first rounder and Oxley.

I reckon the middle ground is what a lot of people have been saying: Oxley and a second round pick.

However, it's my prediction that Brisbane will be willing to wait (as long as it takes) to see if we end up nabbing a second round pick from GCS and/or St Kilda and prefer that pick over our current pick, though.

That's just my opinion though.

 

[mpal6]

Not sure about your media team but Lethal's words seemed like straight out bullying to me. "He either re-signs or he ends up at Carlton".

No way he does a 360 and stays. He would even go to Carlton over staying in Brisbane. That is saying something.

you see what you want to see.


http://www.3aw.com.au/news/james-aish-requests-trade-to-collingwood-20151008-gk4ill.html

Brisbane Lions director Leigh Matthews has delivered a blunt message to want-away midfielder James Aish – you will not be traded.
The club's greatest ever coach said on Sports Today there was "no point" in the Lions trading Aish, despite his request for move to Collingwood on Thursday.
Matthews said it was nothing personal, but the club had to take a stand.
"He definitely won't be traded," Matthews said on 3AW.
"It's nothing to do with James - it's just the principle.
"He's a terrific young kid.
"He's a future captain.
"He's a really strong young kid.
"This isn't about him personally."
Aish is out of contract, meaning he can enter the pre-season draft, but Carlton would likely snap him up with the first pick.
"That will be a decision James has to make," Matthews said.

 

[PieLebo87]

If your club proposes a win/win trade for Aish, then we'll see won't we?



Then James Aish has two options open to him.

1. He re-signs at the Brisbane Lions, where he will be warmly welcomed. A definite win for Brisbane, (on a couple of levels) considering Matthews anointed him as a possible future captain in the same interview.
2. He enters the draft, where going on current and mooted trade deals, he will have to be overlooked 24 times before Collingwood have an option to select him.

Or

3. Brisbane trade him to Collingwood.

I'll lock in #3, Ed.

 

[scott_the_man]

Aish won't be traded! How many times do we have to tell you guys!

Unless we get offered something that benefits us (sidebottom)

 

[boxy99]

you see what you want to see.


http://www.3aw.com.au/news/james-aish-requests-trade-to-collingwood-20151008-gk4ill.html

Brisbane Lions director Leigh Matthews has delivered a blunt message to want-away midfielder James Aish – you will not be traded.
The club's greatest ever coach said on Sports Today there was "no point" in the Lions trading Aish, despite his request for move to Collingwood on Thursday.
Matthews said it was nothing personal, but the club had to take a stand.
"He definitely won't be traded," Matthews said on 3AW.
"It's nothing to do with James - it's just the principle.
"He's a terrific young kid.
"He's a future captain.
"He's a really strong young kid.
"This isn't about him personally."
Aish is out of contract, meaning he can enter the pre-season draft, but Carlton would likely snap him up with the first pick.
"That will be a decision James has to make," Matthews said.

I reckon this gets posted about every 10 post

 

[Doctor Bombay]

Or

3. Brisbane trade him to Collingwood.

I'll lock in #3, Ed.

4. Or Brisbane trade to another Club that out trumps Collingwood.

 

[Mick39]

As far as I can see, Brisbane can mitigate the loss but right now, and every decision they have made with Aish, has been the worst possible result.

1. Last year Collingwood asked for Aish in the Beams trade. It would have been pick 5 & Aish. Aish was happy to leave, but Brisbane knocked it back.

2. They included Pick 25 and Jack Crisp instead of Aish.

3. They are now going to lose Aish for nothing.

If there was a way to mitigate any potential loss in a player, Brisbane have gone as extreme as you can go in the opposite direction.

 

[Fossey]

Firstly, I know how the world works, I am not naive, however:

It shouldn't be like this, should it. Any club should be able to draft a player as per their needs, and have a reasonable expectation, or at least a fair crack, at having a long term player as a result. This is the intent of the draft, to allow clubs with list deficiencies to rectify them, in reverse ladder order, to create churn. It is the fair thing to do, right?

So now, we have to go to the draft, we have a desperate need for a KPP, and not only do we have to find the right positional fit, but we need to ensure that he wants to leave his family and friends, and will stay in two years? Are we having this discussion again in two years with this years recruit? Meanwhile, "destination" clubs get to watch all the ex draftees, and wait for them to come knocking. So, who has the greater risk here? By and large, if you are being honest, recruiting is a much more difficult job here than there. I know you want your club to be successful, but at the expense of a fair competition?

Absolutely spot on. We can't draft on talent alone .. I've we can't just pick the best player available at our draft pick .... But have to also guess if they can handle being away from Mummy, a non -AFL state etc.etc. Certainly not a level playing field.

 

[Babylove]

Unless we get offered something that benefits us (sidebottom)

Will be at the Pies for many years to come.

Source - Steele himself at the Copeland on Friday.

 

[mpal6]

I reckon this gets posted about every 10 post

Yep, every 9th post is calling out big bad Leigh "bullying" poor Aish

 

[Fossey]

I also find pretty ironic that Brisbane has closed the door to negotiations prior to the start of the trade period when we have a young uncontracted Queenslander on our list they could be targeting as part of a deal (not saying Oxley = Aish, just that he's shown enough promise to form part of a deal).

If the stance is that young players are leaving because they are from interstate and there isn't enough local talent on the Brisbane list, why not try to get more of that local talent in.

Why do you think the Academies were set up for ..... Yet Eddie had a whinge over these and now they have been degraded after significant investment.

 

[Doctor Bombay]

As far as I can see, Brisbane can mitigate the loss but right now, and every decision they have made with Aish, has been the worst possible result.

1. Last year Collingwood asked for Aish in the Beams trade. It would have been pick 5 & Aish. Aish was happy to leave, but Brisbane knocked it back.

2. They included Pick 25 and Jack Crisp instead of Aish.

3. They are now going to lose Aish for nothing.

If there was a way to mitigate any potential loss in a player, Brisbane have gone as extreme as you can go in the opposite direction.

That's not correct, a selection in the draft

 

[jasonwilde]

4. Or Brisbane trade to another Club that out trumps Collingwood.

Because Aish would agree with that

 

[dlanod]

I'll admit I've missed a lot of this thread, but what do Lions fans genuinely see as fair, anyway? Keeping in mind that Aish is not contracted and not worth more solely on the Matthews' principles?

I honestly think the Pies will start by offering a mere second round selection. Brisbane will laugh at that.

You guys will want either two second rounders and Oxley, or a first rounder and Oxley.

I reckon the middle ground is what a lot of people have been saying: Oxley and a second round pick.

However, it's my prediction that Brisbane will be willing to wait (as long as it takes) to see if we end up nabbing a second round pick from GCS and/or St Kilda and prefer that pick over our current pick, though.

That's just my opinion though.

Brisbane supporters fall into two camps. There's the "no trade"rs, and they're not going to be satisfied with anything. There's the "negotiating position" ones, and I think most of us think two early second rounders is in the ballpark for minimum acceptable. However I'm not sure where the club sits but I'd imagine it'd be at least that as minimum acceptable, but could actually be higher. It's hard to read the situation since we've only found out where Aish was heading a few days ago.

I still don't get the impression that Oxley interests us - check out who we've been strongly linked to and they've all been confirmed fairly early on, in Bell and Jansen and maybe Whitecross and Suckling initially but then mutual cooling. It's not like Swann has been particularly backwards in confirming this kind of thing, so if we were pursuing Oxley I suspect it would have made the news some time ago and been confirmed - especially since he's uncontracted still.

 

[Robroy22]

I thought everybody wanted to live in Queensland? Beautiful one day, perfect the next? You telling me that's not true?
How could any footy club mess that up? Surely with schoolies and all those other attractions you have up there these young men must just love it up there?

 

[DaVillaBlues]

Will be at the Pies for many years to come.

Source - Steele himself at the Copeland on Friday.

If I was Collingwood, I'd gladly swap Sidebottom for Aish in a heartbeat. Sidebottom strikes me as a surplus player for Collingwood these days.

 

[mpal6]

As far as I can see, Brisbane can mitigate the loss but right now, and every decision they have made with Aish, has been the worst possible result.

1. Last year Collingwood asked for Aish in the Beams trade. It would have been pick 5 & Aish. Aish was happy to leave, but Brisbane knocked it back.

2. They included Pick 25 and Jack Crisp instead of Aish.

3. They are now going to lose Aish for nothing.

If there was a way to mitigate any potential loss in a player, Brisbane have gone as extreme as you can go in the opposite direction.

Pickering must be lying then.



Liam Pickering on James Aish;
"We only really knew in the last couple of days that Collingwood was his destination of choice," Pickering said.
"James has been there two years, he’s got every right as an uncontracted player to request a trade."
"Aish really wants to come to Melbourne and he really wants to play for Collingwood. He’s still only 19, he’s got a hell of a lot in front of him, he’s going to be a terrific player."
- Trade Radio

 

[Procrastinator35]

Why do you think the Academies were set up for ..... Yet Eddie had a whinge over these and now they have been degraded after significant investment.

Yes but only the Northern states are privileged in having them, giving them a decided advantage (like COLA), over the rest of the comp.

You still get first dibs on them, but with other clubs keeping you honest with regards their ranking.

Else-wise, you could always excuse yourselves from the general draft pool, if you wish to maintain a monopoly over your allotted zone.

 

[Doctor Bombay]

Because Aish would agree with that

Adelaide is his home....

http://www.fiveaa.com.au/shows/rowey-bicks/james-aish-meets-with-lions-after-fagan-s-brisbane-visit

 

[jasonwilde]

Brisbane supporters fall into two camps. There's the "no trade"rs, and they're not going to be satisfied with anything. There's the "negotiating position" ones, and I think most of us think two early second rounders is in the ballpark for minimum acceptable. However I'm not sure where the club sits but I'd imagine it'd be at least that as minimum acceptable, but could actually be higher. It's hard to read the situation since we've only found out where Aish was heading a few days ago.

I still don't get the impression that Oxley interests us - check out who we've been strongly linked to and they've all been confirmed fairly early on, in Bell and Jansen and maybe Whitecross and Suckling initially but then mutual cooling. It's not like Swann has been particularly backwards in confirming this kind of thing, so if we were pursuing Oxley I suspect it would have made the news some time ago and been confirmed - especially since he's uncontracted still.

There's suggestion that pick 14 we could offer pick 14. (Now I'm not saying that we could get it & I CBF explaining it so entertain the hypothetical...

Would you accept that?

Also, people are mentioning Oxley because, being from Qld, he is less likely to leave, eliminating one of the problems that the angle-pant-pisser is whinging about. His value, like anyone else's is subjective.

 

[scott_the_man]

Will be at the Pies for many years to come.

Source - Steele himself at the Copeland on Friday.

I Know of someone who said the same thing