Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[David the Cat]

I'll find the exact quotes, only going on what I've been told.

since when do you do as your told??

You're not the Messiah, but ...............

 

[Partridge]

Unfortunately my mother has 2 bulging discs that cant be fixed , hers are worse than Hawkins but she has good days and terrible days .You will find this is the case with nearly everyone with a bulging disc .

Can she play full forward?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I don't think that's true, a few weeks earlier Scott said this.

Geelong star forward Tom Hawkins' nagging back injury is expected to force him out of Saturday night's AFL clash with West Coast in Perth.

The Cats' reigning best and fairest winner has struggled noticeably to bend and run at pace during the past two rounds.

While Geelong had previously maintained that playing with the injury was not aggravating it, coach Chris Scott admitted on Tuesday it was probably time to give Hawkins a rest.

"He was certainly the worst on the weekend that he's been for a little while," Scott told the Cats' website.

"In some respects, things have changed a little bit in the way we're going to manage Tom.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelongs-tom-hawkins-to-rest-sore-back-20130813-2rtp1.html

Bulging discs can potentially be a very serious problem .Without doubt they would of consulted with specialist to make sure playing wouldn't make him worse .

If the discs start cutting into the spinal cord or disintegrating than the consequences can be very very serious .

 

[romeohwho]

This is one funny thread. Thoroughly enjoying it.

 

[hbk_aus]

I don't think that's true, a few weeks earlier Scott said this.

Geelong star forward Tom Hawkins' nagging back injury is expected to force him out of Saturday night's AFL clash with West Coast in Perth.

The Cats' reigning best and fairest winner has struggled noticeably to bend and run at pace during the past two rounds.

While Geelong had previously maintained that playing with the injury was not aggravating it, coach Chris Scott admitted on Tuesday it was probably time to give Hawkins a rest.

"He was certainly the worst on the weekend that he's been for a little while," Scott told the Cats' website.

"In some respects, things have changed a little bit in the way we're going to manage Tom.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/geelongs-tom-hawkins-to-rest-sore-back-20130813-2rtp1.html

I am honestly not sure what point you are trying to make there. Does it not say that they initially maintained that playing wouldn't aggravate it? Which is what I have said all along?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Can she play full forward?

Obviously Hawkins had a mild case , otherwise his career would be over .

But the point I am trying to make is that with a bulging disk there is always a risk of waking up in a condition were you cant do much .You don't need to play a football game to aggravate a bulging disc .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

This is one funny thread. Thoroughly enjoying it.

I consider myself to be a fatherly figure to other Geelong posters .Trying to teach all you guys .

Should all be grateful.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

The point is, he does have the final say. The hint is in the job title - senior coach. Let's examine a similar example; Smedts playing in Sydney last year when he clearly wasn't right and admitted he was weeks away earlier that week. Who made the call to play him? Was it the coach or medical staff? I didn't realise their powers extended to selecting the team.

Slightly different scenario though. That was regarding a player out of the team being selected into it. We all know Smedts admitted he wasn't ready so you could make the argument quite easily a mistake was made in match committee even though presumably the medical staff cleared him.

Different to Hawkins given he was a mainstay in the side and for large parts of the year the medical advice was contrary to not playing him. So to pull him out of the side would be a lot harder to do. Unlike Smedts he was/is a crucial player to the team, unlike Smedts he didn't admit he needed a rest or wasn't fit enough to play AFAIK.

So personally I have no issue blaming Scott (as the others who select the team) for arriving at the decision to play Smedts, even if they thought it was necessary given Boris was out and he played down back in his place.

Hawkins though I'm far more forgiving to the MC. Seems from the outside to not have been a clear cut issue and in that case surely they'd have relied heavily to the medical staff. As we know it all went awry though. Him nearly kicking 50 goals in spite of that would have to be quite hard for him to do, so at least he wasn't useless that season.

 

[abet]

I am honestly not sure what point you are trying to make there. Does it not say that they initially maintained that playing wouldn't aggravate it? Which is what I have said all along?

Yes initially that is what they thought but the quote by Scott was 3 or 4 weeks before he missed that game so they knew by then that rest would be benificial but still played him risking further damage.

 

[abet]

Slightly different scenario though. That was regarding a player out of the team being selected into it. We all know Smedts admitted he wasn't ready so you could make the argument quite easily a mistake was made in match committee even though presumably the medical staff cleared him.

Different to Hawkins given he was a mainstay in the side and for large parts of the year the medical advice was contrary to not playing him. So to pull him out of the side would be a lot harder to do. Unlike Smedts he was/is a crucial player to the team, unlike Smedts he didn't admit he needed a rest or wasn't fit enough to play AFAIK.

So personally I have no issue blaming Scott (as the others who select the team) for arriving at the decision to play Smedts, even if they thought it was necessary given Boris was out and he played down back in his place.

Hawkins though I'm far more forgiving to the MC. Seems from the outside to not have been a clear cut issue and in that case surely they'd have relied heavily to the medical staff. As we know it all went awry though. Him nearly kicking 50 goals in spite of that would have to be quite hard for him to do, so at least he wasn't useless that season.

I still don't agree, who cares if all the medics said he could play and it wouldn't cause further issues, coaches rest players all the time to freshen them up, look at Freo, Ross Lyon virtually rested a whole side to freshen them up, Chris Scott didn't have the foresight to even rest one, especially one that evidently needed a rest.

 

[abet]

I consider myself to be a fatherly figure to other Geelong posters .Trying to teach all you guys .

Should all be grateful.

Stop wasting your breath or in this case stop wearing out your fingers cause I would probably have kids older than you so the fatherly figure doesn't cut it. As far as teaching me anything, you've taught me that you're in love with Chris Scott and you just can't see him wrongdoing anything and let's just say I'm far from being grateful.

 

[Partridge]

Stop wasting your breath or in this case stop wearing out your fingers cause I would probably have kids older than you so the fatherly figure doesn't cut it. As far as teaching me anything, you've taught me that you're in love with Chris Scott and you just can't see him wrongdoing anything and let's just say I'm far from being grateful.

You're not thankful to have a blizzard of hysterical contradictions sprayed out at regular intervals? It is entertaining in a train wreck sort of way.

 

[candiehappy]

Yes initially that is what they thought but the quote by Scott was 3 or 4 weeks before he missed that game so they knew by then that rest would be benificial but still played him risking further damage.

not disputing what you are saying, but can you give a link to that quote. Haven't heard that before.

 

[abet]

not disputing what you are saying, but can you give a link to that quote. Haven't heard that before.

The link is on my earlier post on this page.

 

[candiehappy]

The link is on my earlier post on this page.

no worries

 

[romeohwho]

I still don't agree, who cares if all the medics said he could play and it wouldn't cause further issues, coaches rest players all the time to freshen them up, look at Freo, Ross Lyon virtually rested a whole side to freshen them up, Chris Scott didn't have the foresight to even rest one, especially one that evidently needed a rest.

Yep but those situations are hardly comparable. Lyon had the luxury of being able to rest his team because a loss was on no consequence to their ladder position.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

I still don't agree, who cares if all the medics said he could play and it wouldn't cause further issues, coaches rest players all the time to freshen them up, look at Freo, Ross Lyon virtually rested a whole side to freshen them up, Chris Scott didn't have the foresight to even rest one, especially one that evidently needed a rest.

I disagree too. You've got to remember we were playing right until the end for a home final, Freo were not. History will show we wasted that home final but given we beat Brisbane by a point in the last round maybe it's fair to say we didn't have the luxury of resting players...

 

[abet]

Yep but those situations are hardly comparable. Lyon had the luxury of being able to rest his team because a loss was on no consequence to their ladder position.

I know but do you think playing Hakins was of no consequence either?
I would have preferred losing a home and away game than a final.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yes initially that is what they thought but the quote by Scott was 3 or 4 weeks before he missed that game so they knew by then that rest would be benificial but still played him risking further damage.

Stop saying that it was going to cause further damage .You are not a doctor .

Hawkins did not tear a hamstring , he had a bulging disc which can be extremely serious .The club would of consulted with specialist to make sure no further damage can be done .

I take the word of a neuro specialist over abets .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I know but do you think playing Hakins was of no consequence either?
I would have preferred losing a home and away game than a final.

What don't you understand that if a weeks rest was going to help Hawkins than he would of been given a weeks rest ?

The club knows better than posters on bigfooty.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I still don't agree, who cares if all the medics said he could play and it wouldn't cause further issues, coaches rest players all the time to freshen them up, look at Freo, Ross Lyon virtually rested a whole side to freshen them up, Chris Scott didn't have the foresight to even rest one, especially one that evidently needed a rest.

So abet perhaps you can tell us how many sides have rested around half the team in the round before the finals and gone on to win the premiership ?

I will give you a clue , its less than one.

 

[Partridge]

Stop saying that it was going to cause further damage .You are not a doctor .

Hawkins did not tear a hamstring , he had a bulging disc which can be extremely serious .The club would of consulted with specialist to make sure no further damage can be done .

I take the word of a neuro specialist over abets .

Neither are you. Doesn't stop you telling us all about Hawkins' back. Did you examine him yourself?

They could have consulted with every specialist available, it still boils down to one thing - when the time came for our best player to be available, he wasn't. Conclusion: they stuffed up.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Neither are you. Doesn't stop you telling us all about Hawkins' back. Did you examine him yourself?

They could have consulted with every specialist available, it still boils down to one thing - when the time came for our best player to be available, he wasn't. Conclusion: they stuffed up.

I am going with what the club doctor ,the specialist and dotorc Peter Larkins said.

why don't you tell us all how you know it is the clubs fault Hawkins wasn't able to play in the QF final ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I think to celebrate being a BF member for 10 years next year ,I am going to write a book of all the stupid things I have heard on this forum . Sadly its going to end up being longer than the bible .

I will make sure that the idea of people without medical degree deciding that the club is responsible for a player having a bulging disc gets a mention .I will also mention that posters on bigfooty discovered that a home and away game is more important than a finals game and that the Geelong coach was not aware of this .

The book will be titled the tragedy of internet access for everyone.

 

[BUSTER29]

I think to celebrate being a BF member for 10 years next year ,I am going to write a book of all the stupid things I have heard on this forum . Sadly its going to end up being longer than the bible .

I will make sure that the idea of people without medical degree deciding that the club is responsible for a player having a bulging disc gets a mention .I will also mention that posters on bigfooty discovered that a home and away game is more important than a finals game and that the Geelong coach was not aware of this .

The book will be titled the tragedy of internet access for everyone.

That's actually a very good idea GC26.
You should start by copying and pasting all your posts in this thread for your book.