Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[David the Cat]

Now now pet....lets not get all maudlin...

Now go away and clean my shoes you grotty little dust mite....

 

[Frappe]

After party.

Can I take a guess? Weren't happy with the result and calling for the head of coach or players?

I remember reading Stan Alves' book and he commented after they got beaten 1997, one of the Board members fed back to him the most disappointing thing about making the GF was that he couldn't get rid of Alves.

I suppose they put some coin in so they feel the right to voice their opinion.

 

[Partridge]

Can I take a guess? Weren't happy with the result and calling for the head of coach or players?

Yep. Not the coach though to be fair.

The two main things were:

- the forward line (as in "what the feck went wrong?" and variations on that theme)
- a certain small forward playing when he knew he was injured, with far more colourful variations on that theme.

 

[Frappe]

Yep. Not the coach though to be fair.

The two main things were:

- the forward line (as in "what the feck went wrong?" and variations on that theme)
- a certain small forward playing when he knew he was injured, with far more colourful variations on that theme.

Very nicely described. I can only imagine. It's funny (not) but I watched the 2008 GF for the first time the other day on Fox. I was at the game and felt we were under the pump all day and were just hanging on. I didn't realise how much we dominated the second quarter and first part of the third.

I know a few (not many) from the inner sanctum and the club (i.e. Cook) do put a bit of time in with the sponsors etc. It's amazing the mail I get (on the very odd occasion it's been discussed) that has been passed on.

 

[abet]

I would say so. I would say my Turkish-speaking grandma could have come in to lead the list we had in 2011 and would have won the premiership. Our players were every bit as responsible for that year as any of our coaches. 2011 did not win Scott coaching credentials, however it did show what he can do with a PROVEN group of players at his disposal. He can prove himself with our current crop of UNPROVEN players; that is how you distinguish the best from the rest. That's what put Alistair Clarkson and Bomber Thompson head and shoulders above every coach of their time.

Now you've done it!!!!

The Crazy one will surely give you a lecture about that comment. He'll probably tell you the players wouldn't of understood your grandma if she spoke Turkish so it would of been impossible for her to guide them to that flag, he'll come up with so many stats pitting your grandma against Scott that will make you wish you never mentioned her. You gotta learn young lady that when speaking in this thread ONLY Scott would have been capable of guiding us to the 2011 flag.






I'm with you though, I think your Turkish speaking grandma could have done it blindfolded.

 

[Pivo]

Now you've done it!!!!

The Crazy one will surely give you a lecture about that comment. He'll probably tell you the players wouldn't of understood your grandma if she spoke Turkish so it would of been impossible for her to guide them to that flag, he'll come up with so many stats pitting your grandma against Scott that will make you wish you never mentioned her. You gotta learn young lady that when speaking in this thread ONLY Scott would have been capable of guiding us to the 2011 flag.






I'm with you though, I think your Turkish speaking grandma could have done it blindfolded.

I wonder if Michael Clarke's dog, Jerry, could have done the job?

Perhaps not, cricket is a little different to footy...

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Every club has to include financial ramifications in their decisions. For better or worse it's just how things are now.

Well considering we're beginning to financially struggle again I think it'd be a huge consideration. In fact the AFL itself is getting very worried about clubs that have to pay out sacked coaches salaries leading to Leigh Mathews and Bomber Thompson both calling for lower wages for the head coaching position.

If Chris Scott was holding as back than we would lose more money by keeping him on than by giving him the sack .The higher you finish the more revenue you generate .

 

[geelong_crazy26]

This thread isn't about the potential of our players it's about our coach, personally I think we have great potential player wise but I just don't think we have a coach who's tactically astute enough or tough enough on the players to get the best out of them.

You really think that if this was true that Brian Cook wouldn't know about it by now ?

Don't you think that he would of picked this up himself or that either Balme,Wells,Hocking,one of our senior players that has just retired or still playing would of said something to him ?

Does it not sound stupid that Scott has all these people close to him fooled but you really know the truth ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

I would say so. I would say my Turkish-speaking grandma could have come in to lead the list we had in 2011 and would have won the premiership. Our players were every bit as responsible for that year as any of our coaches. 2011 did not win Scott coaching credentials, however it did show what he can do with a PROVEN group of players at his disposal. He can prove himself with our current crop of UNPROVEN players; that is how you distinguish the best from the rest. That's what put Alistair Clarkson and Bomber Thompson head and shoulders above every coach of their time.

True Scott has no yet build a premiership list , however don't think that 2011 was certain to happen.
Don't forget what happened 12 months earlier under Thompson.

 

[abet]

I wonder if Michael Clarke's dog, Jerry, could have done the job?

Perhaps not, cricket is a little different to footy...

Well CS did say he inherited a team from Bomber that had been coached well and knew the routine so he didn't have to bark many orders.

So i'm guessing if Clarke's dog didn't have to bark orders like CS then he could have done the job also.

 

[Catgirl]

True Scott has no yet build a premiership list , however don't think that 2011 was certain to happen.
Don't forget what happened 12 months earlier under Thompson.

2011 was certain to happen regardless of who was at the top, in my not so humble opinion. The players were twice proven and knew their teammates that well. It was our hunger and desire for redemption in the face of adversity that got us over the line in all the games we won by less than 2 goals, no doubt about that. Don't tell me it was a coincidence or that Chris Scott had an all-conquering plan B in his first year as coach that saw us get over the line on so many occasions. We had the hunger and the experience. Alternatively, that is also why we have struggled to win close games in recent years: lost hunger from the up and comers and agers and perhaps too much experience with a lot of our players hitting the wrong side of 30 from 2012-2015. Scott had little influence in 2011 IMO, however he did add an element of motivation for a seemingly aged and decorated side. I'm not putting a line through him as a coach though. He has plenty opportunity within the next two years to prove himself.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well CS did say he inherited a team from Bomber that had been coached well and knew the routine so he didn't have to bark many orders.

So i'm guessing if Clarke's dog didn't have to bark orders like CS then he could have done the job also.

Who's side was it Bombers or Wells ?

 

[geelong_crazy26]

2011 was certain to happen regardless of who was at the top, in my not so humble opinion. The players were twice proven and knew their teammates that well. It was our hunger and desire for redemption in the face of adversity that got us over the line in all the games we won by less than 2 goals, no doubt about that. Don't tell me it was a coincidence or that Chris Scott had an all-conquering plan B in his first year as coach that saw us get over the line on so many occasions. We had the hunger and the experience. Alternatively, that is also why we have struggled to win close games in recent years: lost hunger from the up and comers and agers and perhaps too much experience with a lot of our players hitting the wrong side of 30 from 2012-2015. Scott had little influence in 2011 IMO, however he did add an element of motivation for a seemingly aged and decorated side. I'm not putting a line through him as a coach though. He has plenty opportunity within the next two years to prove himself.

Using this logic you could also say that a number of other coaches would of taken the group of players that Wells recruited mostly from 99-02 and developed a side that would win 3 premierships. Not just Bomber.

Do you honestly think that players like Bartel, Ablett and Johnson wouldn't of been superstars under other coaches ?

If Scott gets little credit for 2011 , than Bomber should get little credit for 2007 and 2009 .

You can make an argument for them both being coaches in the right place at the right time.

 

[BlightysCats]

You really think that if this was true that Brian Cook wouldn't know about it by now ?

Well it's fairly simple, if Scott doesn't get his contract renewed in 2016 he's gone.

 

[Catgirl]

Using this logic you could also say that a number of other coaches would of taken the group of players that Wells recruited mostly from 99-02 and developed a side that would win 3 premierships. Not just Bomber.

No, you're taking what I've said completely out of context. Bomber, as well as several other contributing coaches at the GFC, take credit for what that group developed into. Not Chris Scott, not any other coach for that matter. Do keep in mind that Bomber had 7 odd seasons as coach before he won a premiership with Geelong. He was there when the likes of Chapman and SJ were first drafted to the club, and not simply when they were at the peak or nigh of their careers. He literally saw them develop from high school graduates to double premiership players and Norm Smith Medallists. That is a process easier observed and said than done and a process that proves your worth as a coach; in this day and age I'll call it goodwill, if I may. Scott has this current group on his hands, and luckily enough for him some very, very talented players remaining from our dynasty days. Like I said he has perfect opportunity to prove himself.

There is a difference between a coach coming into a side at its peak in both footballing ability and ambition, and a coach coming into a young side on the rebuild. Thompson walked into and developed as a coach with the latter. Scott walked into the former and now has the chance to follow in Bomber's footsteps.

Do you honestly think that players like Bartel, Ablett and Johnson wouldn't of been superstars under other coaches ?

Not only do I wholly believe that they would not be where they are now if they didn't begin their careers at Geelong, but you'll find that retired Cats players would agree with me. Bartel was always promising, and he acted on his potential in 2007 in one of the most talented Cats sides of all time. Do I think he would have won that Brownlow had he played for, say a Melbourne? Possibly but highly unlikely. Johnson we all know had the talent but his career was very much on the line in early 2007, and he wasn't exactly the most responsible of players. You'll even find excerpts on BF in late 2006/early 2007 roasting Johnson. Ablett had legend status flowing through his blood, but as Mooney and Scarlett were quoted saying, he was far too lazy. Had no motivation to improve, thought too highly of himself and put in little to no effort at training. If it weren't for SJ's suspension and for some firm exchanges of honesty in the locker rooms prior to and post Round 4 2007, their careers could have easily taken the wrong turn. This not only goes for the given trio, but for every other Cats player at the time. It's not easy to make it in the AFL. For these three to not only make it, but to have break out years all around the same stage of their career and to then proceed to become some of the most decorated players in the game is NO coincidence. It takes persistence, and a great coach to nurture that sort of talent at a young age, and I hope it is something that Scott does with our current group.

If Scott gets little credit for 2011 , than Bomber should get little credit for 2007 and 2009 .

Bomber having spent over a decade with that group deserves little credit opposed to someone who came in and spent one season with the group? Yeah look, fat chance.

 

[abet]

Who's side was it Bombers or Wells ?

Well Bomber had input in recruitment, Bomber coached them and instilled the winning culture and then Bomber handed them on a platter to CS.

So it was Bombers side and no matter how much you argue the point, it's always going to be Bombers side.

Even with the current side, it's not Wells's it's CS's, he has to make them gel and teach them, it's CS not Wells that sits in the coaches box making the moves and he also has to be a fatherly figure to these players like you stupidly thought you were to us a while back. So if CS fails to win flags it's he who gets the sack not Wells cause CS is the coach.

And a further example, if CS was to leave at the end of 2016 and a new coach came along and won the flag in 2017 with virtually the same side CS coughed up then i would have to say that it was CS who handed it to him on a platter.

 

[Catgirl]

Well Bomber had input in recruitment, Bomber coached them and instilled the winning culture and then Bomber handed them on a platter to CS.

So it was Bombers side and no matter how much you argue the point, it's always going to be Bombers side.

Even with the current side, it's not Wells's it's CS's, he has to make them gel and teach them, it's CS not Wells that sits in the coaches box making the moves and he also has to be a fatherly figure to these players like you stupidly thought you were to us a while back. So if CS fails to win flags it's he who gets the sack not Wells cause CS is the coach.

And a further example, if CS was to leave at the end of 2016 and a new coach came along and won the flag in 2017 with virtually the same side CS coughed up then i would have to say that it was CS who handed it to him on a platter.

Immaculate post

 

[geelong_crazy26]

No, you're taking what I've said completely out of context. Bomber, as well as several other contributing coaches at the GFC, take credit for what that group developed into. Not Chris Scott, not any other coach for that matter. Do keep in mind that Bomber had 7 odd seasons as coach before he won a premiership with Geelong. He was there when the likes of Chapman and SJ were first drafted to the club, and not simply when they were at the peak or nigh of their careers. He literally saw them develop from high school graduates to double premiership players and Norm Smith Medallists. That is a process easier observed and said than done and a process that proves your worth as a coach; in this day and age I'll call it goodwill, if I may. Scott has this current group on his hands, and luckily enough for him some very, very talented players remaining from our dynasty days. Like I said he has perfect opportunity to prove himself.

There is a difference between a coach coming into a side at its peak in both footballing ability and ambition, and a coach coming into a young side on the rebuild. Thompson walked into and developed as a coach with the latter. Scott walked into the former and now has the chance to follow in Bomber's footsteps.


Not only do I wholly believe that they would not be where they are now if they didn't begin their careers at Geelong, but you'll find that retired Cats players would agree with me. Bartel was always promising, and he acted on his potential in 2007 in one of the most talented Cats sides of all time. Do I think he would have won that Brownlow had he played for, say a Melbourne? Possibly but highly unlikely. Johnson we all know had the talent but his career was very much on the line in early 2007, and he wasn't exactly the most responsible of players. You'll even find excerpts on BF in late 2006/early 2007 roasting Johnson. Ablett had legend status flowing through his blood, but as Mooney and Scarlett were quoted saying, he was far too lazy. Had no motivation to improve, thought too highly of himself and put in little to no effort at training. If it weren't for SJ's suspension and for some firm exchanges of honesty in the locker rooms prior to and post Round 4 2007, their careers could have easily taken the wrong turn. This not only goes for the given trio, but for every other Cats player at the time. It's not easy to make it in the AFL. For these three to not only make it, but to have break out years all around the same stage of their career and to then proceed to become some of the most decorated players in the game is NO coincidence. It takes persistence, and a great coach to nurture that sort of talent at a young age, and I hope it is something that Scott does with our current group.


Bomber having spent over a decade with that group deserves little credit opposed to someone who came in and spent one season with the group? Yeah look, fat chance.

I understand what you are saying ,Thompson developed the players that won the 2007 and 2009 premiership , Scott did not develop the players that won the 2011 premiership .There can be no disputing this as a fact , but Thompson was also fortunate to come to Geelong at a time when the club was about to be flooded with young talent .Not all but a number of other coaches would of turned those same players into champions .

Don't forget in 2010 we didn't just lose , we were annihilated in the 2010 prelim final by a younger side .

Interesting fact Thompson from 2007-2010 was never able to win 3 finals by more than 2 goals , in 2011 Scott was able to win all 3 finals by over 6 goals .

 

[BlightysCats]

No, you're taking what I've said completely out of context. Bomber, as well as several other contributing coaches at the GFC, take credit for what that group developed into. Not Chris Scott, not any other coach for that matter. Do keep in mind that Bomber had 7 odd seasons as coach before he won a premiership with Geelong. He was there when the likes of Chapman and SJ were first drafted to the club, and not simply when they were at the peak or nigh of their careers. He literally saw them develop from high school graduates to double premiership players and Norm Smith Medallists. That is a process easier observed and said than done and a process that proves your worth as a coach; in this day and age I'll call it goodwill, if I may. Scott has this current group on his hands, and luckily enough for him some very, very talented players remaining from our dynasty days. Like I said he has perfect opportunity to prove himself.

There is a difference between a coach coming into a side at its peak in both footballing ability and ambition, and a coach coming into a young side on the rebuild. Thompson walked into and developed as a coach with the latter. Scott walked into the former and now has the chance to follow in Bomber's footsteps.


Not only do I wholly believe that they would not be where they are now if they didn't begin their careers at Geelong, but you'll find that retired Cats players would agree with me. Bartel was always promising, and he acted on his potential in 2007 in one of the most talented Cats sides of all time. Do I think he would have won that Brownlow had he played for, say a Melbourne? Possibly but highly unlikely. Johnson we all know had the talent but his career was very much on the line in early 2007, and he wasn't exactly the most responsible of players. You'll even find excerpts on BF in late 2006/early 2007 roasting Johnson. Ablett had legend status flowing through his blood, but as Mooney and Scarlett were quoted saying, he was far too lazy. Had no motivation to improve, thought too highly of himself and put in little to no effort at training. If it weren't for SJ's suspension and for some firm exchanges of honesty in the locker rooms prior to and post Round 4 2007, their careers could have easily taken the wrong turn. This not only goes for the given trio, but for every other Cats player at the time. It's not easy to make it in the AFL. For these three to not only make it, but to have break out years all around the same stage of their career and to then proceed to become some of the most decorated players in the game is NO coincidence. It takes persistence, and a great coach to nurture that sort of talent at a young age, and I hope it is something that Scott does with our current group.


Bomber having spent over a decade with that group deserves little credit opposed to someone who came in and spent one season with the group? Yeah look, fat chance.

You're making the mistake many on here have of trying to argue with geelong_crazy26. There is no way of arguing using sense with him he just goes round, and round, and round, It will never end I tells ya, it will NEVER END!!!

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Well Bomber had input in recruitment, Bomber coached them and instilled the winning culture and then Bomber handed them on a platter to CS.

So it was Bombers side and no matter how much you argue the point, it's always going to be Bombers side.

Even with the current side, it's not Wells's it's CS's, he has to make them gel and teach them, it's CS not Wells that sits in the coaches box making the moves and he also has to be a fatherly figure to these players like you stupidly thought you were to us a while back. So if CS fails to win flags it's he who gets the sack not Wells cause CS is the coach.

And a further example, if CS was to leave at the end of 2016 and a new coach came along and won the flag in 2017 with virtually the same side CS coughed up then i would have to say that it was CS who handed it to him on a platter.

I understand the argument about Thompson being a better development coach , I have never had a problem with him as a development coach .But it took him 7 years to build that side , Scott has only been rebuilding for 4 year so far .

The whole line about the 2011 being handed to Scott on a silver platter makes no sense when we got humiliated in in the 2010 prelim final by a younger side .We were not just beaten , we were destroyed , 81 points down early in the 3rd quarter .

We then lost Ablett who was the best player in the competition and our players got a year older .Despite this we won the 2011 premiership .

Make no mistake Scott is a significantly better tactical coach.

 

[Catgirl]

Interesting fact Thompson from 2007-2010 was never able to win 3 finals by more than 2 goals , in 2011 Scott was able to win all 3 finals by over 6 goals .

Gee, who knew that years of experience in clutch games could mean better composure in finals in the future!

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Play the ball not the man.

I don't accept the lack of credit given to Scott for our 2011 flag, he was the voice we needed at that time as the group had ceased listening to Bomber is some respects, no flag is a fluke and all takes a lot going right in order to achieve that goal. To suggest merely anyone could have coached us to that premiership is insulting.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

You're making the mistake many on here have of trying to argue with geelong_crazy26. There is no way of arguing using sense with him he just goes round, and round, and round, It will never end I tells ya, it will NEVER END!!!

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you know what makes no sense ? you saying Thompson is a better match day coach than Scott .

Please watch Geelong under Thompson.


Please watch Geelong under Scott.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Gee, who knew that years of experience in clutch games could mean better composure in finals in the future!

Come on we had more than enough finals experience well before 2010.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Thompson is the better development coach at this stage , I don't think that can be argued .

At the same time I don't see how it can be argued that Scott is not the better tactical coach given what he did in 2011 vs what Thompson did in 2010.