Mega Thread The Random Thoughts Thread Part 1

[Dylan8]

Not really, I know many home brewers and distillers that could whip me up a batch if I asked.

I never said you couldn't. But significantly less homebrew is around because of the availability of alcohol which has been legally made under quality control and legal standards. Alas, the more dangerous portion of the market is minimalised.

 

[edgie]

You have to be licensed.


I mean you're already assuming we'll be an anomoly.

I'm certain of it, based on our consumption of the other legal recreational drug of choice, combined with our inability to consume it responsibly.

 

[Jumbo]

Decriminalisation doesn't work like that.

I don't think that there is a set rule for how decriminalisation is applied from county to country.

 

[Dylan8]

Because people are stupid idiots. They will smoke it then drive to work or somewhere else. They will smoke it at lunch time and then you have to deal with them at work and they aren't coherent.

I have no problem if people want to use drugs in their own time and place and don't have deal with the public whilst their affects wear off and don't drive or operate machinery after a smoke or poping a pill or snorting a line. Its why I put up the normal distribution curve. People think they can handle it and are on the right hand side of the curve but are really on the left hand side.

Decriminalising the product doesn't mean it would be legal for some ******* to drive on drugs don't you realise this? When people say decriminalisation they don't mean you're now entitled to smoke the ganja anywhere anytime. Legalise it, and regulate it. Just as alcohol is legal, but driving under the influence is not.

 

[Trewth]

Cannabis has been shown to only cause schizophrenia in people already susceptible, and for those people that can be triggered by a number of things, including a big night on the turps or a traumatic experience.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

OK exactly. The safe stuff can be regulated. You brought up the other "schizophrenia causing" weed which I am not read up on. People who are that arsed to be getting the super mega strongest versions of a drug were always going to do this regardless of its legal status.

No, people who buy dope because they want it and have no idea about how much stronger it is. They don't go chasing the harder stuff, its all that's available most times. I changed my opinon on dope after watching this 4 Corners story in 2005. Before that I was blasé about dope. Watch this episode of 4 Corners

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1315274.htm


A whole generation of Australians has grown up believing that smoking pot is a harmless pastime. They need to think again. The view of cannabis as a benign drug is under challenge – not from conservative family or religious groups but from the science and medical community.

Clinicians now believe that modern strains of super-strength cannabis are increasingly triggering psychoses, depression and anxiety disorders in teenagers.

Many young people begin smoking cannabis before they have even hit their teens – and experts are warning that the younger the smoker, the greater the risk of mental illness. About half the young people who seek help for psychosis have a cannabis problem. According to doctors the proportion of cannabis users among these young patients has doubled in 20 years.

For some teenagers there is no second chance. Ten to 15 per cent of young people with serious mental illnesses commit suicide or die from other causes within a few years of diagnosis.

 

[Jumbo]

Decriminalising it doesn't necessarily mean making it legal for people to grow freely in their own back yard. Just like how decriminalising ecstasy wouldn't mean that you would be allowed to make your own pills.

Who knows how it would be applied but I think we all accept that the govt would want to extort whatever they can out of it.
And chip and twistie sales would go nicely too!

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Decriminalising the product doesn't mean it would be legal for some ******* to drive on drugs don't you realise this? When people say decriminalisation they don't mean you're now entitled to smoke the ganja anywhere anytime. Legalise it, and regulate it. Just as alcohol is legal, but driving under the influence is not.

It isn't legal for people to drive with alcohol in your blood but dipshits do it. It isn't legal to turn up to work drunk of intoxicated by drugs but people do it. How is that going to change by decimalisation??. Dipshits do what dipshits do irrespective of the law.

 

[Trewth]

Smoking cannabis with an undeveloped brain (normally under the age of 18) has been shown to be very dangerous as REH suggested. The risk falls dramatically once the brain is fully developed.

 

[Powerstufff]

I'm not a fan of the term "Road Toll", it's too mild. Everyone knows what it is but it doesn't really have any weight.

Why not just call them "Road Deaths" so that people actually take notice?

Because it's not just deaths. If anything the maiming, the mostly life-long injury is even worse. Financially and emotionally draining over years. And so on.

 

[Macca19]

It isn't legal for people to drive with alcohol in your blood but dipshits do it. It isn't legal to turn up to work drunk of intoxicated by drugs but people do it. How is that going to change by decimalisation??. Dipshits do what dipshits do irrespective of the law.

So how is that different to now where people still drive whilst under the influence of amphetamines etc?

 

[raman]

But who the hell is smoking that? I imagine it would be pricey if it's 10x the strength? My knowledge ends here.

Anecdotally, "10x the strength" isn't silly.

 

[Dylan8]

Smoking cannabis with an undeveloped brain (normally under the age of 18) has been shown to be very dangerous as REH suggested. The risk falls dramatically once the brain is fully developed.

Same with most things though hey. I reckon you legalise it and have it sold by licensed vendors, the number of street dealers (pretty much the only vendor right now) will greatly decrease. Therefor kids have less easy access to it.

Obviously they can use older siblings to get them stuff but that's always going to happen such as with alcohol.

 

[Trewth]

Same with most things though hey. I reckon you legalise it and have it sold by licensed vendors, the number of street dealers (pretty much the only vendor right now) will greatly decrease. Therefor kids have less easy access to it.

Obviously they can use older siblings to get them stuff but that's always going to happen such as with alcohol.

Exactly.

 

[Powerstufff]

It isn't legal for people to drive with alcohol in your blood but dipshits do it. It isn't legal to turn up to work drunk of intoxicated by drugs but people do it. How is that going to change by decimalisation?? ....

Who knows? From memory Dollar Bill had scary powers.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

So how is that different to now where people still drive whilst under the influence of amphetamines etc?

Its not. As I said dipshits are dipshits but you open the door to more dipshits.

 

[Doctor Feel]

 

[Macca19]

Decrim doesnt suddenly make drugs legal. It will still be illegal to be caught in possession & caught under the influence of these substances. It's just the level of penalty that changes.

 

[Dylan8]

No, people who buy dope because they want it and have no idea about how much stronger it is. They don't go chasing the harder stuff, its all that's available most times. I changed my opinon on dope after watching this 4 Corners story in 2005. Before that I was blasé about dope. Watch this episode of 4 Corners

http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/content/2005/s1315274.htm


A whole generation of Australians has grown up believing that smoking pot is a harmless pastime. They need to think again. The view of cannabis as a benign drug is under challenge – not from conservative family or religious groups but from the science and medical community.

Clinicians now believe that modern strains of super-strength cannabis are increasingly triggering psychoses, depression and anxiety disorders in teenagers.

Many young people begin smoking cannabis before they have even hit their teens – and experts are warning that the younger the smoker, the greater the risk of mental illness. About half the young people who seek help for psychosis have a cannabis problem. According to doctors the proportion of cannabis users among these young patients has doubled in 20 years.

For some teenagers there is no second chance. Ten to 15 per cent of young people with serious mental illnesses commit suicide or die from other causes within a few years of diagnosis.

I'm part way in and they're generalising users as smoking more aka daily aka bloody 10 to 20 bongs a day. Which is simply not the reality I live in. Most people I know who smoke are lighting up a spliff once a week on a Saturday night. I'd suggest these addicted types of people are an small outlier to most people who smoke occasionally/socially as the program suggested earlier, like people "used to do".

 

[Kickpuncher]

Its not. As I said dipshits are dipshits but you open the door to more dipshits.

I honestly think there wouldnt be much of a change tbh. Like previously stated I think the dipshits that are going to do it already are with alcohol and other substances. If anything make the penalties harsher for people that are caught under the influence while driving.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Decrim doesnt suddenly make drugs legal. It will still be illegal to be caught in possession & caught under the influence of these substances. It's just the level of penalty that changes.

There is different levels of decriminalisation. eg prostitution has been legalized in a couple of states but decriminalised in most other states. Its rare that the provider or user of the services are ever penalised and its not illegal to be caught in the act.

 

[Dylan8]

Anyway, liked I've reiterated several times, a drug becoming legal doesn't mean people will suddenly start doing it more. People who already want to do the drugs are doing the drugs. If weed became legal I wouldn't start smoking it - I can already get it on a whim if I wanted to.

Might aswell try to regulate it properly and get it in the system, rather than grouping all users together as criminals.

 

[Powerstufff]

I have a question. If there were testing tents at stereo today and tabs were showing up beyond a safe parameter, would people of have not taken them?

Logically if someone offered them for testing they must have considered not taking them so yes.
FWIW I have no idea what these 'magic' tests (which I heard discussed on the radio this morning) would be. What's killing people? Could be toxins from a botched production process, overstrength tablets, the active agent being mixed with an accidentally dangerous agent to bulk the mixture up before pressing the tablets. Which of these could be quickly tested for in a tent at a festival, if at all?

 

[Jumbo]

I'm part way in and they're generalising users as smoking more aka daily aka bloody 10 to 20 bongs a day. Which is simply not the reality I live in. Most people I know who smoke are lighting up a spliff once a week on a Saturday night. I'd suggest these addicted types of people are an small outlier to most people who smoke occasionally/socially as the program suggested earlier, like people "used to do".

Most of the dope users I know have a bong for brekky, lunch, tea and one to help them sleep at night, along with a couple to get them thru between their dedicated blaze up times.

 

[Dylan8]

Most of the dope users I know have a bong for brekky, lunch, tea and one to help them sleep at night, along with a couple to get them thru between their dedicated blaze up times.

Yeah. Stoners are ****wits.

Still - that's prohibition in effect isn't it. It's not stopping drug use or addiction and never has.