Autopsy 2016 National Draft (NM Picks: 11; 32; 33; 80)

[shinboner magic]

Can we recruit some media darlings - we need some good guys

 

[The Nostradamus]

Yep scrap the academies. Or have them solely afl funded so no one club has rights to certain players.

There are probably up to 10 academy players ranked in the top 20 in this draft

 

[Passmore]

Yep scrap the academies. Or have them solely afl funded so no one club has rights to certain players.

There are probably up to 10 academy players ranked in the top 20 in this draft

I don't think that we should scrap them, we need to get the talent in. You are right that they should be AFL funded and open to an uncomprimised draft.

 

[giantroo]

AFL set to review controversial GWS Giants academy system

THE AFL is set to review the controversial Greater Western Sydney academy system which angry clubs believe will bulletproof their list for the next decade.

The Herald Sun understands the league will soon begin a thorough analysis of the broad Giants zone that is set to deliver the booming club another five top-30 talents this year.

AFL operations manager Mark Evans told the Herald Sun on Tuesday the league would monitor the situation in the wake of what scouts believe is a considerable spike in Riverina talent.

“As we have with father-son qualifications and priority picks, we are always open to review these sorts of programs and rules to makes sure it achieves its objectives in the appropriate way,” Evans said.

Furious club officials said they would not be able to compete against the Giants if immediate action was not taken to cap their number of academy products, or shrink the zone.

Victorian recruiters want the footy fertile Riverina area in particular excluded from the massive GWS special-interest territory.

Players from rural NSW, who board at Victorian schools and play in Victorian TAC Cup clubs, are still tied to GWS and can be drafted at a 20 per cent discount.

One recruiter said “this is the thing that makes us most angry.”

“GWS didn’t know some of these guys even existed, and now they are falling in their laps,” he said.

“How much did they (Giants) contribute to their development? Consider that.”

The backlash from clubs has increased in recent weeks, following the emergence of two more gun GWS-bound big men, Todd Marshall and Max Lynch.

Evans said the GWS zone had not traditionally delivered a high number of top-end talents when the list concessions were established, but acknowledged that the dynamic may have changed.

“The rules were established with the support of the clubs after reviewing the historical data,” Evans said.

“NSW and Queensland had not traditionally provided a lot of talented players. And even the southern part of New South Wales, the Riverina area, was historically a low talent yield.

“If we now get to a position where we are starting to produce more talent from New South Wales and Queensland then that is a good thing. It’s a good problem to have.

“If it means there needs to be a review to make sure those objectives are still being met in the right way, we have always been open to doing that.”

The vast zone is the fifth significant free kick awarded to the Giants, which were ticked off by rivals.

At the club’s inception the Giants signed stars Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar with exclusive access to 10 of the country’s hottest 17-year-olds.

They were allocated picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 in the 2011 draft as well as the first eight rookie selections.

The Giants were also afforded an extra $1 million in its 2012-14 salary cap to poach established talent and maintain a list of up to 50 players.

AFL to review generous GWS zone with another five top-30 talents GWS-bound https://t.co/mj77vXREFm @ClarkyHeraldSunpic.twitter.com/GjbAQb6ZXk

— Sam Landsberger (@SamLandsberger) May 3, 2016
And, unlike rival expansion club Gold Coast, GWS could pick four underage stars to trade — offloading rights to Jesse Hogan, Jack Martin, Jaeger O’Meara and Brad Crouch to further their draft riches.

The AFL wrote to clubs last month warning that if the northern clubs breached new rules they would risk losing their academy stars.

At the start of each season GWS, Sydney, Gold Coast and Brisbane are required to submit development plans for their brightest talents.

“GWS didn’t know some of these guys even existed, and now they are falling in their laps.”

AFL recruiter

Some clubs called on the AFL to abolish all talent academies.

“The answer is uncompromising drafting once and for all. It’s OK for Victorian and West Australian kids to move, it’s just ridiculous,” one list manager said.

Others believe academies are fair, but only to unearth kids who would have otherwise been lost to rival sports, such as Sydney’s Isaac Heeney.

“If they get kids from (rugby areas) Orange and Bathurst and Griffith — go for it. Get those kids and put time in to expand the pool and put more time into Canberra,” a recruiter said.

“They can claim 19-year-olds as well, like when they got Jack Steele and Lachie Tiziani this year. If you have a chance you take it, if you don’t they should be available to the whole pool.”

One scout was bemused at the Giants’ sudden infatuation with late bloomer Marshall, who is in this year’s academy.

“He was overseas playing cricket, comes home, starts playing footy, looks like an absolute star and they can just get him for nothing. It’s ridiculous.”

The 4-2 Giants are yet to blood 2015 draftees Jacob Hopper (pick 7), Matthew Kennedy (13), Harrison Himmelberg (16) and 2014 selections Jarrod Pickett (4) and Paul Ahern (7).

THE FIVE FREE KICKS

How the AFL created a Giant monster with these start-up list concessions.

ACADEMY ANGUISH

GWS has exclusive access to all players from its New South Wales zone via its academy. The club receives a 20 per cent discount (or 197 points after pick No. 18) on its academy picks.

JACKPOT 17s

Picked 10 17-year-olds born between January — April 1993, headlined by stars Jeremy Cameron, Dylan Shiel and Adam Treloar.

2011 DRAFT BONANZA


GWS was allocated picks 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13 and 15 in the 2011 draft and the first eight selections in the 2011 rookie draft.

FOUR GOLDEN EGGS

GWS could pick four players born between January-April 1994 and 1995 to trade. They were Jesse Hogan, Jack Martin, Jaeger O’Meara and Brad Crouch.

CASH STASH

GWS was given an extra $1 million in its 2012-14 salary caps to poach established talent and maintain a list of up to 50 players.

THE FURORE

CLUB 1

“Credit to Sydney, they got Callum Mills out of North Shore, which is not AFL heartland. GWS is pulling them out of Albury and Wagga, which is AFL heartland, so it’s laughable.

“And when you talk (with others) in the market, they (GWS) haven’t done a lot (development) with these kids.

“(Will) Setterfield is from Caulfield Grammar and (Jacob) Hopper is from St Pats and it goes on and on. It is near impossible to compete.”

CLUB 2

“They (GWS) can get up to nine players (out of NSW) this year, which may be the equivalent to WA and SA’s draft talent combined.

“So the Giants not only have exclusive rights to them (players), they get them at a discounted rate, it’s Harvey Norman.

“So, instead of using pick No. 5, they can use, say, pick No. 8. They (AFL) have to reconsider the concessions they give them (GWS).”

CLUB 3

“It’s a joke, it it’s embarrassing and very frustrating. They’ve got about 10 kids they (GWS) will get and there might be only six kids coming out of South Australia this year.

“The answer is uncompromising drafting once and for all. It’s OK for Victorian and West Australian kids to move, it’s just ridiculous.

CLUB 4

“They have heaps this year — and they’re guns. A few of them are A-graders, too — first-rounders.

“Macreadie, Setterfield ... they’re in a very, very good position. The depth of talent, geez.”

CLUB 5

“The Giants have just rubbed it in everyone’s faces by doing so little work, putting in so little effort and then taking all the rewards.

“I’d get rid of all the academies, but if they have to have one it should be in Sydney’s west, not broader areas.

“The level of anger is high because we can see the academy players coming through in the next couple of years.

CLUB 6

“(Todd) Marshall was overseas playing cricket, comes home, starts playing footy, looks like an absolute star and they can just get him for nothing. It’s ridiculous.

“If they get kids from (rugby areas) Orange and Bathurst and Griffith — go for it. Get those kids and put time in to expand the pool. Put more time into Canberra.

“They can claim 19-year-olds as well, like when they got Jack Steele and Lachie Tiziani this year. If you have a chance you take it, if you don’t they should be available to the whole pool.

CLUB 7

“They’re not putting enough into those kids because they know they’re natural football kids.

“All they have to do now is show development plans for them and in the past they didn’t even have to talk to them until their draft year.”

 

[giantroo]

What a joke. Handed talent on a platter without even spending a thing.

 

[goalieboy82]

i thought you all got rid of the national drift in 1972 because of Whitlam.

 

[Gasometer]

Each flag they win needs an asterix beside it.


*

=gifted.

 

[GarnerSmash]

Don't they need a certain amount of points to bud for these players, thus having to trade up depending on interest from other clubs? If so they need to trade out to get the required picks. Unless of course they alreafy have 1st round picks stockpiled for this draft...

 

[giantroo]

Don't they need a certain amount of points to bud for these players, thus having to trade up depending on interest from other clubs? If so they need to trade out to get the required picks. Unless of course they alreafy have 1st round picks stockpiled for this draft...

2 future picks + their own first rounder...

 

[GarnerSmash]

2 future picks + their own first rounder...

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So they could finish with pick 5, pick 12 and pick 15 in the first round. I aint all over this points s**t but dont they still risk losing some of these prospects (up to 5 guns this year) if they dont get enough points via trade?

 

[Nutjob]

The best thing clubs can do is not trade picks with them. They're not going to get near all those players with their current picks.


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[giantroo]

So they could finish with pick 5, pick 12 and pick 15 in the first round. I aint all over this points s**t but dont they still risk losing some of these prospects (up to 5 guns this year) if they dont get enough points via trade?

That's correct but the point being made is that they aren't actually doing anything to get these kids. They are coming from a zone that is already full of AFL talent and they are being given to them. As the example above, Mills is from a non AFL zone so Sydney did some work. GWS isn't.

 

[GarnerSmash]

That's correct but the point being made is that they aren't actually doing anything to get these kids. They are coming from a zone that is already full of AFL talent and they are being given to them. As the example above, Mills is from a non AFL zone so Sydney did some work. GWS isn't.

Agreed that they need to actually be on the books academy wise and interact with the club during their junior career otherwise it is just an old zone again. That and they dont need to develop those areas.

However they aint being given these players. They still have to pay, both now with picks/points and in the future with $$$. I think there is a bit of an overreaction atm re GWS and their long term dominance and it will even itself out in time provided the AFL now sort out the academies up north and link them to areas within those states that actually need development.

 

[giantroo]

 

[giantroo]

 

[GarnerSmash]

I agree with Jon Ralph here..... (gulp).

The Riverina does not need an academy system given it is an AFL heartland. GWS should not have exclusive access to it like WA teams should not have exclusive access to South East WA.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Get rid of all these academies, its an absolute rort.

I don't want any in the future, I just want an uncompromised draft where the best kids go where they are meant to go. I'm not interested in us having an academy either, I'd prefer if they just softened the F/S rule.

GWS and GC have had enough spoon feeding, so has Sydney for that matter. Its bullshit that a perennial contender can have access to guys like Henney and Mills.

 

[Firestarter]

Get rid of all these academies, its an absolute rort.

I don't want any in the future, I just want an uncompromised draft where the best kids go where they are meant to go. I'm not interested in us having an academy either, I'd prefer if they just softened the F/S rule.

GWS and GC have had enough spoon feeding, so has Sydney for that matter. Its bullshit that a perennial contender can have access to guys like Henney and Mills.

It's all about trying to cling to fair weather "supporters".

 

[Pykie]

Jacob Hopper had never been to GWS training center and had spoken to them once during last year. This from a kid that attended one of the strongest football schools in the country.

"Fostering" young talent is just a bullshit line for the public.

 

[roos_fanatic08]

Jacob Hopper had never been to GWS training center and had spoken to them once during last year. This from a kid that attended one of the strongest football schools in the country.

"Fostering" young talent is just a bullshit line for the public.

and they can't use the whole "we could have lost him to rugby line" either. He was boarding at St.pats from year 11. GWS invested absolutely nothing in his development but were gifted him because he was from Leeton. Rort.

 

[Harris 10]

Simple fix:

AFL take over the running of all academies and allow all clubs access to the talent through the National Draft.

Problem solved.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Firestarter]

FA threat? After what 3 years?

Up there with Sydney claiming everyone needs to buy a two story house so they need the extra cap.

 

[Pykie]

I'm not sure kids who grow up in Albury, 5.5 hours from Sydney, 3.5 hours from Melbourne should be considered local.

 

[giantroo]