Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[Partridge]

Mostly agree with that but in the era of the small quick forward and huge amounts of space being created in forward halves I think speed in a modern defender is increasingly becoming more important.

Maybe. I'd prefer the speed to be utilised in closing down opponents. Fast ball movement out of defence by foot beats running it out ten times out of ten.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

U cannot be cereal. Selwood was ordinary and had pretty well no impact on the game. Nothing to do with 'high standards'. Its about getting a kick and making a difference, and being a leader-all things he generally does very well. He didn't yesterday. Bartel was calm and solid all game. Worked hard. Didn't lose his head once, made sound choices, showed good skills. As he has all this year after a couple of average years. Great to see.

Yep, I'm serious.

Bartel is severely overrated around these parts, as is most of our side.

Selwood in part prevented a 10 goal loss in the last half.

 

[BlightysCats]

Maybe. I'd prefer the speed to be utilised in closing down opponents. Fast ball movement out of defence by foot beats running it out ten times out of ten.

Again agree, but my reference to speed wasn't so much to do with running it out rather than being able to run back in time to defend.

 

[SJ]

I've always thought the speed of decision making and ball movement is far more important than the speed of a particular player.

Especially in the backline.

And the accuracy of that ball movement.

 

[BlightysCats]

Just reading Boltons comments after the game 'We want to be defined as a team that gives effort and pressure.'

Jeez I wish we had a coach that valued those things.

 

[cynical]

The backline is in shambles, throwing Bartel back there just compounds the problem.

Bartel taking marks might look nice on his stat sheet but we just have no run and carry.

Offensively it is terrible, the ball just gets stuck there then it gets chipped around and turned over down the line with the inevitable 50/50 contests.

You just cant have 4 Key position defenders, Mackie, Bartel and Enright. It's just not going to deliver a premiership.

Need to take at least 2 of them out and replace them with younger faster players with good disposal.

I would use 2 of Guthrie, Ruggles, Cowan or Lang, possibly even Duncan.

Get the structures right and the team would be more consistent.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Yeah in 2011 we had a slow defence but the game was much slower then too and there were hardly any goals being scored out the back in the fashion they are now. A good defence now has to be agile and quick to cope with and protect the inevitable out the back type situations that are created more and more these days rather than big bodied, and plodding like defences of the past.

Hawthorns back 6 in last years GF

Stratton Lake Frawly
Birchial Gibson Burgoyne

That's a slow defence .

Your living in the old days were defence was all about a sides back 6 . Today defending is all about 18 players , not 6.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Hawthorns back 6 in last years GF

Stratton Lake Frawly
Birchial Gibson Burgoyne

That's a slow defence .

Your living in the old days were defence was all about a sides back 6 . Today defending is all about 18 players , not 6.

We were let down by the mids yesterday not the defence.

The same defence (well mostly... Odd change here or there) when we put a 100+ points past Hawthorn, Adelaide and West Coast.

 

[Bobby_]

Hawthorns back 6 in last years GF

Stratton Lake Frawly
Birchial Gibson Burgoyne

That's a slow defence .

Your living in the old days were defence was all about a sides back 6 . Today defending is all about 18 players , not 6.

Birchall is fast mate. Very fast.
Burgoyne is also fast. He has multiple gears.
Stratton, Duryea and Gibson are three others who are certainly not classified as 'slow'.

You do watch Hawthorn play don't you?

Frawley is another one. Believe it or not but he'd be quicker than young Kolodjashnij.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

We were let down by the mids yesterday not the defence.

The same defence (well mostly... Odd change here or there) when we put a 100+ points past Hawthorn, Adelaide and West Coast.

Work rate, hardness at the ball, pressure and turnovers are what lost us the last two games.

We look tired and disinterested. I read a stat where Geelong average the fewest rotations a game which could have a small part to play.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Yep, I'm serious.

Bartel is severely overrated around these parts, as is most of our side.

Selwood in part prevented a 10 goal loss in the last half.

Some player Jim. Simultaneously underrated and overrated!


I guess the club's wrong too You might have a question for Official Cats now

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Some player Jim. Simultaneously underrated and overrated!


I guess the club's wrong too You might have a question for Official Cats now

That's embarrassing and probably why this thread is warranted in all seriousness.

 

[Art Vandelay_]

Work rate, hardness at the ball, pressure and turnovers are what lost us the last two games.

We look tired and disinterested. I read a stat where Geelong average the fewest rotations a game which could have a small part to play.

Neither of which is purely or mainly a problem for the defence. Our forward 50 pressure is seriously lacking and we've fallen away in the clearances.

The rotations must be by design. That can't be a coincidence, there'll be some logic behind it somewhere... Another question for Official Cats

 

[Art Vandelay_]

That's embarrassing and probably why this thread is warranted in all seriousness.

Where does that say it was Scott's vote?

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Neither of which is purely or mainly a problem for the defence. Our forward 50 pressure is seriously lacking and we've fallen away in the clearances.

The rotations must be by design. That can't be a coincidence, there'll be some logic behind it somewhere... Another question for Official Cats

If the club continue to lie about Mitch Clark and other areas what makes you think I wish to ask them any further questions?

 

[Art Vandelay_]

If the club continue to lie about Mitch Clark and other areas what makes you think I wish to ask them any further questions?

Sigh....

This again

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Birchall is fast mate. Very fast.
Burgoyne is also fast. He has multiple gears.
Stratton, Duryea and Gibson are three others who are certainly not classified as 'slow'.

You do watch Hawthorn play don't you?

Frawley is another one. Believe it or not but he'd be quicker than young Kolodjashnij.

Bobby is this as reliable as when you said Cady wanted to go to North because posters on the North board said so ?

Birchall is fast but that's it,Burgoyne is not fast anymore. No Frawley is not faster than Kolo and Stratton and Gibson are no faster than Mackie and Enright .

In fact none of our back 6 are actually slow , sure not a lot of speed but none of them are slow.

Like I said above defending is 18 man effort in todays game.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

In fact none of our back 6 are actually slow , sure not a lot of speed but none of them are slow.

It's time to reassess your definition of slow.

 

[cynical]

Hawthorns back 6 in last years GF

Stratton Lake Frawly
Birchial Gibson Burgoyne

That's a slow defence .

Your living in the old days were defence was all about a sides back 6 . Today defending is all about 18 players , not 6.

Pretty fast defence with good disposal, compared to ours

Lonergan --> slow and cant kick
Taylor --> fairly slow, good kick
Henderson --> fairly slow, average kick
Mackie --> fairly slow, very good kick
Bartel --> slow, cant kick
Enright --> fairly slow, average kick
Kolo --> fairly slow, average kick

we might be the best in the comp when the high ball comes in but when our midfield is getting soundly beat and the opposition has time to hit up targets we get smashed, even worse is when they apply a lot of pressure when we try get it out of defence

i'd rather we lost a bit of advantage when the high ball comes and have a better ability to get the ball out of defence easier

 

[Gelooong]

Chris doesn't seem like he can coach us to a premiership. doesn't have "it"

(yes i know he already has but anyone could have coached that side to a premiership)

 

[STP18]

Current midfield woes is more of a concern at the moment for me than our backline. But our 'plan' from kick-ins and just in general getting the ball from deep in the back pockets up forward is atrocious. Not sure if there's not enough movement up the ground or what leads to it, but if we have the ball deep in defence it just generally stays stuck there and we have no easy outlets. Need to string easy passes together rather than just attempting to hack it out to the boundary every time.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

He's trying to work out where we're going wrong.

It's not obvious to him.

 

[Badtemperedbadger]

Sigh....

This again

I know, wouldn't it be great to have the insight that some posters on here apparently have.
Rule 1. "When you don't have an argument just throw in a scurrilous unsupported comment as though you know it to be true" Seriously?

 

[catempire]

Some player Jim. Simultaneously underrated and overrated!


I guess the club's wrong too You might have a question for Official Cats now

Don't forget the media, they are in on it too.

 

[romeohwho]

Yep, I'm serious.

Bartel is severely overrated around these parts, as is most of our side.

Selwood in part prevented a 10 goal loss in the last half.

haha more that happy to enjoy differing opinions. But this is too silly for words Nakia.