Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - Part 1 [closed, see Part II]

[wcadams88]

We're not the only two that thinks he comes across as a little arrogant. We all interpret mannerisms differently.

Can't see it myself I see the opposite

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

And a lot of people confuse confidence with arrogance as well.

Arrogance is an extreme form of over confidence.

They're virtually one and the same.

 

[GriffACT]

My wife watches AFL 360 on Mondays nights to watch Chris Scott - the first year she's actually taken much notice of what he's said - and in her own words, 'he looks smug and speaks with arrogance'. I've always thought this to be the case... he has an arrogant demeanor.

Not surprising then that the team plays in much the same manner.

Completely smug and arrogant and who can forget quotes like 'mission accomplished' and that the 2013 cats were more professional and would beat the lions 2001-2004 every day of the week ... His pr style does nothing for me, no passion - just a robot with lots of well considered big words and pc statements... Give us a bit of passion and heart bomber Thompson style ... And honesty ...HONESTY .. How I miss bomber

 

[Cataholic]

We're not the only two that thinks he comes across as a little arrogant. We all interpret mannerisms differently.

No, and yes.

Only way to know would be to meet the man, spend time with him, get to know him.

But none of us have done that hey?

 

[Mad_Hatter]

I like all these may 16th "new" accounts...
Seem they all have a similar agenda too...

 

[Cataholic]

Arrogance is an extreme form of over confidence.

They're virtually one and the same.

There are many people who are confident in their purpose, ability and place, but who are also modest.

There's a difference in having that knowledge, and using it to dismiss others.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

No, and yes.

Only way to know would be to meet the man, spend time with him, get to know him.

But none of us have done that hey?

Absolutely not. One has to only listen to him speak to form an opinion.

 

[Jimmy Yamazaki]

Anyone reading this along with Facebook and seeing similar arguments? I wonder how many of you guys are on there doing the same thing on there as on here?

 

[Mr Blicavs]

jesus......if a few more blokes were having as much of a dip as Jimmy in recent weeks, I doubt we'd be looking down the barrel of 3 straight losses

 

[Cataholic]

Absolutely not. One has to only listen to him speak to form an opinion.

Yes, one can do that, but then it's still a judgement, and one not necessarily based on fact of knowledge.

It's just a collection of assumptions.

 

[Cataholic]

jesus......if a few more blokes were having as much of a dip as Jimmy in recent weeks, I doubt we'd be looking down the barrel of 3 straight losses

Nope, no issue with Jimmy's endeavour.

He might be a little older and a bit slower, but there's no doubt about his courage, intent and effort.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Yes, one can do that, but then it's still a judgement, and one not necessarily based on fact of knowledge.

It's just a collection of assumptions.

Which is why I said 'he comes across as arrogant'

And I'm pretty happy to make that judgement.

 

[Cataholic]

Which is why I said 'he comes across as arrogant'

And I'm pretty happy to make that judgement.

That's your right.

At least we can agree to disagree.

 

[UnitedWarrior93]

jesus......if a few more blokes were having as much of a dip as Jimmy in recent weeks, I doubt we'd be looking down the barrel of 3 straight losses

One of our best again yesterday. He must be frustrated that the last 2 weeks he has hardly had any help.

So many guys in our team need to see how Jimmy goes about it.

 

[GriffACT]

Yes, one can do that, but then it's still a judgement, and one not necessarily based on fact of knowledge.

It's just a collection of assumptions.

why isn't it possible to argue from a point of comparison or perspective ... Does Chris Scott appear more arrogant than other coaches such as dima Hardwick, Adam Simpson or ken hinkley... I would argue yes...

 

[catempire]

Maybe I can start a running tally:

When we win

- Simon Lloyd has made a massive difference
- Dangerfield is carrying us
- Anyone could coach this team
- *crickets chirping/tumbleweeds/awkward coughs*

When we lose

- Scott shouldn't have picked Player A over Player B
- No Plan B
- 'Mission Accomplished'
- Smug and arrogant
- Remember when Scott didn't pick West in that Qualifying final??

Feel free to add. We can save some internet here guys.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Nope, no issue with Jimmy's endeavour.

He might be a little older and a bit slower, but there's no doubt about his courage, intent and effort.

Just want to point out one small thing I noticed Sunday, , that is what I think is systematic in the team at the minute, and in isolation very minor, but collectively it s hurting us
At the Carlton kick ins, and I was very close to the play (front row, level 1 aisle 10) at least 3-4 times I heard Geelong blokes screaming at Dangerfield to get closer to his opponent at the kick ins, and on each occasion he ignored his team mates and let his opponent get a cheap mark, and run the ball out of the defensive 50 with ease. The old bloke sitting behind me actually stood up and shouted at him to listen to his mates and to stop being so selfish.
As I said a very minor thing, but if blokes are ignoring each other on other parts of the ground, and not working hard enough for each other, then it goes part of the way to explain why Carlton was winning so much space and freedom to run

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Maybe I can start a running tally:

When we win

- Simon Lloyd has made a massive difference
- Dangerfield is carrying us
- Anyone could coach this team
- *crickets chirping/tumbleweeds/awkward coughs*

When we lose

- Scott shouldn't have picked Player A over Player B
- No Plan B
- 'Mission Accomplished'
- Smug and arrogant
- Remember when Scott didn't pick West in that Qualifying final??

Feel free to add. We can save some internet here guys.

Agreed!

 

[Cataholic]

why isn't it possible to argue from a point of comparison or perspective ... Does Chris Scott appear more arrogant than other coaches such as dima Hardwick, Adam Simpson or ken hinkley... I would argue yes...

I've never said you can't.

In fact, if you were to look back over my posting history, I think you'll find I've always encouraged a healthy, respectful exchange of views.

And like I said, he may appear to be arrogant, but it doesn't mean that he IS.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Just want to point out one small thing I noticed Sunday, , that is what I think is systematic in the team at the minute, and in isolation very minor, but collectively it s hurting us
At the Carlton kick ins, and I was very close to the play (front row, level 1 aisle 10) at least 3-4 times I heard Geelong blokes screaming at Dangerfield to get closer to his opponent at the kick ins, and on each occasion he ignored his team mates and let his opponent get a cheap mark, and run the ball out of the defensive 50 with ease. The old bloke sitting behind me actually stood up and shouted at him to listen to his mates and to stop being so selfish.
As I said a very minor thing, but if blokes are ignoring each other on other parts of the ground, and not working hard enough for each other, then it goes part of the way to explain why Carlton was winning so much space and freedom to run

That just never happened .

 

[Partridge]

Maybe I can start a running tally:

When we win

- Simon Lloyd has made a massive difference
- Dangerfield is carrying us
- Anyone could coach this team
- *crickets chirping/tumbleweeds/awkward coughs*

When we lose

- Scott shouldn't have picked Player A over Player B
- No Plan B
- 'Mission Accomplished'
- Smug and arrogant
- Remember when Scott didn't pick West in that Qualifying final??

Feel free to add. We can save some internet here guys.

When we win
We were too good for the opposition

When we lose
The opposition were too good for us

 

[Cataholic]

Just want to point out one small thing I noticed Sunday, , that is what I think is systematic in the team at the minute, and in isolation very minor, but collectively it s hurting us
At the Carlton kick ins, and I was very close to the play (front row, level 1 aisle 10) at least 3-4 times I heard Geelong blokes screaming at Dangerfield to get closer to his opponent at the kick ins, and on each occasion he ignored his team mates and let his opponent get a cheap mark, and run the ball out of the defensive 50 with ease. The old bloke sitting behind me actually stood up and shouted at him to listen to his mates and to stop being so selfish.
As I said a very minor thing, but if blokes are ignoring each other on other parts of the ground, and not working hard enough for each other, then it goes part of the way to explain why Carlton was winning so much space and freedom to run

Interesting observation.

There were a couple of others, immediately after they game, who said they saw clear disharmony on the field.

That's a worry.

 

[Mr Blicavs]

That just never happened .

You're right...I made it up

 

[Willo_]

My wife watches AFL 360 on Mondays nights to watch Chris Scott - the first year she's actually taken much notice of what he's said - and in her own words, 'he looks smug and speaks with arrogance'. I've always thought this to be the case... he has an arrogant demeanor.

Not surprising then that the team plays in much the same manner.

She must have watched a different show to what I've seen.

I only see Buckley answering questions each week

 

[Mr Blicavs]

Interesting observation.

There were a couple of others, immediately after they game, who said they saw clear disharmony on the field.

That's a worry.

I'm not saying I saw any signs of disharmony amongst the players, but I know what I heard, and I know what i observed, and the fact of the matter is, on a number of occasions Dangerfield allowed Carlton to take cheap marks in the defensive 50 and run the ball out without any pressure.
Now I get Dangerfield is a match winner, and very explosive going towards goal, but when he doesnt have the ball and he's standing across half back, he has to work harder. He didn't Sunday!