2016 US Presidential Election - Trump vs Clinton? - Part 1

[coerced]

During the first GOP debate in August, Trump said the couple “had no choice” but to attend his third wedding, because he had donated generously to the their charitable foundation,

Trump doesn't strike me as someone very charitable, so what was the purpose of his donation to the Clinton Foundation?

 

[Badesumofu]

Bizarre is right. He actually claimed that he thought the election might be rigged against him as well. He literally called his opponent 'the devil'. He trolled one of his own supporters about her crying baby. And that's just in the last 24 hours. He's imploding.

I don't think he has any idea the implications of the things he says. He says that people don't have 'the right' to criticise him. He attacks the impartiality of judges when they don't rule the way he wants. He said that the 'election is going to be rigged'. You'd have to be totally delusional to support this man or think that he just understands what makes people tick and totally knows what he is doing.

This sort of behaviour built him a solid plurality of Republican primary voters. But he doesn't seem to be making any attempt to broaden his base into something that could actually win a general election.

 

[JackNah_8]

Donald Trump's Attacks Divide Military Families
The Republican nominee has upset the VFW and a faction of its membership, and shows no inclination to apologize.

• CONOR FRIEDERSDORF
• AUG 2, 2016
  
• POLITICS

Members of the armed forces, veterans, and their kin are hugely important to Republicans. “Add up active-duty military, reserves, national guard, veterans, and their families—you’ll find yourself somewhere north of 30 million people,” John Noonan notes at National Review. “That’s the second largest voting demographic in the country under Hispanics, and the only one that consistently votes Republican.”

Donald Trump is roiling them anyway.

Even as the candidate campaigns on the dubious premise that he’ll unite America, he has made a series of statements that predictably divide veterans and their families, even on subjects where there is no need to take any position whatsoever.

This began last summer, when Trump declared that decorated Vietnam veteran and torture survivor John McCain is not a war hero because he got captured. Earlier this spring, he declared that U.S. soldiers would perpetrate war crimes if he so ordered, drawing a sharp rebuke from current and former military commanders.

Yet many others cheered the VFW. Ken Russell, a veteran who sells real estate in Florida, declared, “Regardless your political flavor, THIS is the stance of a true Veteran and leader!”

William J. Payne, who served in the 81st Regional Support Command and U.S. Army Reserves, used the opportunity to remind VFW members of other Trump miscues:

Donald J. Trump, "Patriot," a "self made" man, had several student deferments before getting a medical deferment for "bad feet." Must have been because of those cheap shoes he had to wear growing up. In the words of John Fogarty, "I ain't no fortunate son." In other words he is exactly the "Sunshine Patriot" Thomas Paine was talking about... When his country called on him he shirked from his duty, and when he says that he backs our troops, during Vietnam he did so from way back in New York City, just like Jody.

But hey, Mr. Trump did spend time in an elite military school and that provided him with more military experience than most vets and he does know more about ISIS than the generals. And last time I looked he has two strapping adult sons, I guess spending a tour in the service never crossed their minds either, kinda unlike that non hero, loser, former POW John McCain and his family, where his two sons served. Let that be lost on no one, he called POWs losers. And now he is comparing the "sacrifices" that he has has to make in his business life to the sacrifice of Gold Star Parents.

Years ago he would have been booed by veterans but this year as he took the stage at the National VFW Convention my fellow Vets gave him a standing ovation. And I'm NOT advocating for Clinton either. Both choices are bad, when the best thing you can really truthfully say about a candidate is that they are not the other candidate, that's pretty bad.

Bobby Toothaker called the GOP frontrunner “out of bounds”:

I am a Life Member, formerly served as an officer.

I am so proud of the VFW and Commander Duffy for the release of this statement. I agree this is out of bounds... Anyone that disrespects our Gold Star family members can be advised where the boundaries are. This isn't the first time Mr. Trump has stepped out of bounds. This is the first time the V has advised him where they are. Commander Duffy would do the same for any public figure who repeatedly disrespects our Veterans.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...es-with-his-rhetoric/493988/?utm_source=atlfb
Full article

Well he has definitely created a debate by attacking the Khan family. Different communities are now commentating on Trump and the Khans​

 

[JackNah_8]

Trump doesn't strike me as someone very charitable, so what was the purpose of his donation to the Clinton Foundation?

I was surprised to read that part, I've never heard of him donating to the Clinton Foundation before

 

[Cooldude]

Lol at reports that Trump asked foreign policy experts on why he can't just use nukes to "solve a lot of problems"

The world is gonna end not because humans are evil but because humans are stupid, stupid ones like Trump

 

[awaremind]

He is the worst candidate ever. Except for maybe Hillary .... Oh boy we are all ****ed.

 

[Elroo]

Trump campaign spokesman Katrina Pierson just blamed Obama for the Khans sons death in 2004!

https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...mp-obama-clinton-000000132.html?client=safari

Donald Trump campaign spokeswoman Katrina Pierson admitted her “timeline” was off when she suggested that President Obama and Hillary Clinton were somehow to blame for the death of U.S. Army Capt. Humayun Khan, who died in Iraq in 2004 — when George W. Bush was commander in chief.

 

[P_Crippy]

Could Trump be a democrat plant?

 

[james Dean]

Could Trump be a democrat plant?

Jesse Ventura thinks it's almost as much
https://www.google.com.au/amp/amp.t...entura-donald-trump/?source=dam?client=safari

 

[Gough]

Sounds like people are looking for excuses already. Blame everything but the candidate.

 

[JackNah_8]

Another article about Trump being a plant. Hillary couldn't beat Obama in the past so now she's given an easier path to win the election

http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-clinton-plant-theory-marcy-kaptur-speculates

 

[Catastic82]

Surely a candidate can't be this stupid

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Could Trump be a democrat plant?

I love the bitter tears from establishment conservatives about this. The establishment created the beast (the base), and now the beast has spoken, Trump is the person that they wanted and voted for! It wasn't like he pretended to be someone else to win the nomination. Trump has been the same buffoon now that he was before the convention.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Latest Fox News poll has Hillary up 10. When you've lost fox it's over.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

So Hillary wants to raise taxes on the MIDDLE class. No surprise that this gets zero attention while Trump asking for someone to remove a crying baby from his rally is all over the news.

 

[Big_Birdy]

Similar to how the reaction of the Democrats to Patricia Smith hasn't been reported at all here that I have seen. And at least no one is claiming Trump had anything to do with the Khan's son's death, or that Trump lied about a conversation with them.

 

[coerced]

The Trump as Clinton plant theory is well over a year old:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-donald-trump-is-trying-to-undermine-the-gop/

 

[JackNah_8]

The Trump as Clinton plant theory is well over a year old:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-donald-trump-is-trying-to-undermine-the-gop/

Seems like after Trump's latest outburst, people are starting to question his intention and whether he wants to win.

 

[Mofra]

Could Trump be a democrat plant?

In the 0.01% chance that he is, it says a lot about republicans that so many still haven't jumped off the bandwagon.
Nukes?

 

[Gough]

From America's saviour to Clinton plant inside a couple of days, talk about fickle.

 

[coerced]

From America's saviour to Clinton plant inside a couple of days, talk about fickle.

Not very bright are ya Gough?

 

[james Dean]

I don't see how this is the end of Trump though, he took an even bigger nosedive in June and managed to comeback in the polls. A hell of a lot can change between now and November. He really has to go all out on Clinton in that first debate, if his numbers are still way down after that, then there may be no hope for him.

 

[Mofra]

I don't see how this is the end of Trump though, he took an even bigger nosedive in June and managed to comeback in the polls. A hell of a lot can change between now and November. He really has to go all out on Clinton in that first debate, if his numbers are still way down after that, then there may be no hope for him.

I dare say he'll be spending a huge portion of his campaign in the rustbelt states and Florida.
Even with members of his own party voting for Clinton he has a real shot if he can swing the "anger" vote and these are the states where that vote can be swayed most by a non-establishment politician.

 

[Catastic82]

If it wasn't for the fact that he's so eager to use he nukes I would love to see him elected just to watch America collapse ...however , with his temperament towards using such a dangerous weapon on both Europe and the Middle East I seriously fear the worse .

Scary scary times if he's elected and I say that with no hint of sarcasm

 

[JackNah_8]

I don't see how this is the end of Trump though, he took an even bigger nosedive in June and managed to comeback in the polls. A hell of a lot can change between now and November. He really has to go all out on Clinton in that first debate, if his numbers are still way down after that, then there may be no hope for him.

True, he could somehow gain momentum especially in some states like Ohio or Florida. And, we havent seen a Trump v Hillary debate yet