Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[Maggie5]

LOL, there is so much wrong in that answer.

Not my answer, although if you don't like the answer, don't have to accept it.
More often than not though, I think that there is always more than one answer and somewhere in the middle is the truth.
This is the link.
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/bible_quran.html

 

[Lethality]

Not my answer, although if you don't like the answer, don't have to accept it.

I just wasn't aware that it only commands slavery and not killing thought it was the opposite.

Oh wait, it was.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

 

[Maggie5]

I just wasn't aware that it only commands slavery and not killing thought it was the opposite.

Oh wait, it was.

Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

If only I was as knowledgeable of the Koran and Bible as you I may be able to engage further.
Causes too many disagreements and oh so open to interpretation.

 

[Lethality]

If only I was as knowledgeable of the Koran and Bible as you I may be able to engage further.
Causes too many disagreements and oh so open to interpretation.

It doesn't take much knowledge to know that the god of the Qur'an doesn't only command slavery. Some people might be able to argue the point, but read it for yourself.

 

[Maggie5]

It doesn't take much knowledge to know that the god of the Qur'an doesn't only command slavery. Some people might be able to argue the point, but read it for yourself.

Not interested in either book. Went to Sunday School as a child and RI as I got older, that was enough about religion for me.

 

[awaremind]

I agree 100%.

The problem is drawing out functional societies out of a region that has been a pawn for the past century.

But the functioning ones are a greater threat and thus we must destroy them.

 

[Jello_B]

As opposed to acts of war?

So when a Muslim blows someone up, hes a hateful bigot, but when a US Marine does it, he's a patriotic hero?

Only Islamic violence counts? Is that your argument here?

People can disagree with both Americans blowing up civilians and Islam terrorism.

 

[Mofra]

People can disagree with both Americans blowing up civilians and Islam terrorism.

True - but sadly people often just pick a side.

 

[Lethality]

People can disagree with both Americans blowing up civilians and Islam terrorism.

Americans blowing up civilians is more like manslaughter, whereas terrorism is murder. I disagree with both, but they're not equally despicable either.

 

[Gough]

I think you're probably being a bit naive there, there's plenty out there to show America have also targetted civillians.

 

[fleabitten]

The end game for One Nation is the end of Islam and Muslims. It is reasonable to assume that isn't going to happen voluntarily, so what One Nation is actually advocating is forced conversion. 'Love it or leave'.
Forced conversion means what? It is reasonable to assume that means violence. If you take UPF and groups like them as a kind of militant version of One Nation we are already going down that path.
So for now the distinction is the violence.

And the scope. One Nation and UPF want Islam out of Australia, but they are not trying to end the religion completely. They see themselves as defending their homeland from a foreign enemy. ISIS think the universe belongs to them.

 

[Number37]

And the scope. One Nation and UPF want Islam out of Australia, but they are not trying to end the religion completely. They see themselves as defending their homeland from a foreign enemy. ISIS think the universe belongs to them.

WTF?????

 

[Jello_B]

True - but sadly people often just pick a side.

What makes our generation so important that we don't need to pick a side? History is full of conflict and 'sides', we are lucky that we are on the right side at the moment and we get to enjoy the benefits. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be compassionate to the other side, but to think if the current power in the world was reversed we would be treated any differently is a stretch.
This isn't a pot at you or any others by the way.

 

[fleabitten]

WTF?????

Thought it was pretty clear. You're saying the only difference is the level of violence. I'm saying there's also a difference in the size of the geographical area in which they want to impose their ideology and how much control they want to have over how others live and die. ISIS is a threat to everyone, everywhere until they are defeated.

I'm not defending One Nation or UPF if that's what you're thinking, I just don't believe you can really compare them to ISIS in any meaningful way.

 

[chelseacarlton]

True - but sadly people often just pick a side.

Of course we pick a side.
Problem is,the 3rd side rarely gets any airtime.

 

[Mofra]

Thought it was pretty clear. You're saying the only difference is the level of violence. I'm saying there's also a difference in the size of the geographical area in which they want to impose their ideology and how much control they want to have over how others live and die. ISIS is a threat to everyone, everywhere until they are defeated.

I'm not defending One Nation or UPF if that's what you're thinking, I just don't believe you can really compare them to ISIS in any meaningful way.

I understand what you're saying and I'd agree in what you say about ideology but there is an important factor that is being overlooked - the One Nation view that somehow muslims are 'foreign' to Australia when the majority are born here and there has been an Islamic presence in Australia for over 140 years.

 

[Mofra]

What makes our generation so important that we don't need to pick a side? History is full of conflict and 'sides', we are lucky that we are on the right side at the moment and we get to enjoy the benefits. This doesn't mean we shouldn't be compassionate to the other side, but to think if the current power in the world was reversed we would be treated any differently is a stretch.
This isn't a pot at you or any others by the way.

I don't think we're forced to pick an ideological 'side' of either thinking terrorist activity against innocent civilians is justified or drone strikes that kill innocent civilians as 'collateral damage' is justified.

Holding a position that innocent civilians shouldn't be killed is a perfectly acceptable choice.

 

[chelseacarlton]

I understand what you're saying and I'd agree in what you say about ideology but there is an important factor that is being overlooked - the One Nation view that somehow muslims are 'foreign' to Australia when the majority are born here and there has been an Islamic presence in Australia for over 140 years.

One Nation requires an enemy to win seats,this time it's Islam,last time it was the yellow peril.
In the future they will pick someone else,perhaps the Pacific Islanders as their homelands slowly disappear beneath the waves etc

 

[fleabitten]

I understand what you're saying and I'd agree in what you say about ideology but there is an important factor that is being overlooked - the One Nation view that somehow muslims are 'foreign' to Australia when the majority are born here and there has been an Islamic presence in Australia for over 140 years.

Yeah, I don't agree with them on that or much else.

 

[Mofra]

One Nation requires an enemy to win seats,this time it's Islam,last time it was the yellow peril.
In the future they will pick someone else,perhaps the Pacific Islanders as their homelands slowly disappear beneath the waves etc

Yep - pre-Federation the Irish were a bunch of lazy drunks that would never assimilate into "our" culture too.
50/60s we saw it with the wave od Mediterranean arrivals.
Islam-phobia is just the next step in a long line of people's fear of the 'other'.

 

[Number37]

Thought it was pretty clear. You're saying the only difference is the level of violence. I'm saying there's also a difference in the size of the geographical area in which they want to impose their ideology and how much control they want to have over how others live and die. ISIS is a threat to everyone, everywhere until they are defeated.

I'm not defending One Nation or UPF if that's what you're thinking, I just don't believe you can really compare them to ISIS in any meaningful way.

Did someone say ISIS wasn't a threat?
I must have missed it.
It is not a choice between ISIS and groups like One Nation. ISIS does not represent Muslims any more than One Nation represents white people. It is all part of their con. BOTH groups will tell you they are on your side. BOTH groups are full of sh!t.

 

[Jello_B]

I don't think we're forced to pick an ideological 'side' of either thinking terrorist activity against innocent civilians is justified or drone strikes that kill innocent civilians as 'collateral damage' is justified.

Holding a position that innocent civilians shouldn't be killed is a perfectly acceptable choice.

I don't think we awake daily and we are able to consciously choose between right and wrong in the world. We are born into a side that is either superior or inferior in controlling world affairs depending on the date you are born. My point is more general, in that the side that is superior will inevitably try and protect their control. History dictates that as soon as that control is relinquished there is a stark shift the other way, and significant pain is returned. Arguing against Islam is a recognition of control, and recognition that if control is lost there will be pain for those that currently live a relatively peaceful existence (like us). This will drive fear and the unfortunate, but inevitable, fear associations.

 

[fleabitten]

Did someone say ISIS wasn't a threat?
I must have missed it.
It is not a choice between ISIS and groups like One Nation. ISIS does not represent Muslims any more than One Nation represents white people. It is all part of their con. BOTH groups will tell you they are on your side. BOTH groups are full of sh!t.

I didn't say you didn't say it was a threat....not going to try to explain the conversation back to you again, so let's just move on.

 

[JackOutback]

Yep - pre-Federation the Irish were a bunch of lazy drunks that would never assimilate into "our" culture too.

Yep, the Irish aren't lazy...

 

[Eagle Empire]