List Mgmt. 2016 Free Agency/Trades/Draft thread Part 2

[Peter Doherty]

Yes but it's not Lyons for Hampton and upgrading our 2nd.

It is hampton for a 2nd round pick and
Lyons for a 2nd round pick.

It is 2 trades

Yes, its is two trades indeed

 

[Bacon8]

Yes but it's not Lyons for Hampton and upgrading our 2nd.

It is hampton for a 2nd round pick and
Lyons for a 2nd round pick.

It is 2 trades

If you sell your iPhone to Cash Converters and get $200, then go to Coles and buy a burner phone for $100, you still have a phone & $100.

 

[Uber poster]

First of all, McKenzie is junk. Chances of him reaching 50 AFL games are dwindling by the second. He is your version of Mitch Grigg, right down to his left boot being his one and only weapon. Not AFL standard. He'd likely be delisted if you didn't have so many retirees and Aaron Black / Nahas freeing up so many spots.

Durdin is a question mark. Maybe he'll develop into a nice player, maybe he won't. We didn't want him on draft day despite him being a local lad, and we took Lever instead. Don't think we're even close to changing our minds on that one, and we have no need for Durdin now with the emergence of Lever, Hartigan and very promising youngsters such as Keath and Doedee waiting in the wings for our defence. He's certainly not required up forward either.

Lyons will be top 12 in our B&F this year, well above the likes of Mackay, Thompson, Cameron and probably even Brodie Smith. Where will McKenzie come in yours?

Ben Jacobs at Port never approached a season of the standard Lyons has just put up. Lyons is worth a pick in the early to mid 20s, and even then I'll be gutted to lose him.

Who knows, maybe Dumont is looking to come back to SA and it'll be a straight swap. I quite like Dumont, but its a case of better the devil you know there. Would rather keep Lyons.

Dumont is off limits. My sources tell me he prefers melbourne now and doesn't want to come back.

 

[Bacon8]

Dumont is off limits. My sources tell me he prefers melbourne now and doesn't want to come back.

Probably cos he'd have to go to court.

 

[Vhaluus]

Dumont is off limits. My sources tell me he prefers melbourne now and doesn't want to come back.

I like how you don't even bother to dispute the facts around your other spuds.

 

[huludicidal]

Dumont is off limits. My sources tell me he prefers melbourne now and doesn't want to come back.

It'd be pretty rough for him to get a cab home here after a night out so makes sense.

 

[Vader]

Lyons will be top 12 in our B&F this year, well above the likes of Mackay, Thompson, Cameron and probably even Brodie Smith. Where will McKenzie come in yours?

That's a big call, given how poorly he polled in the AFLCA voting this year.

Of the players you named...
Thompson - 22 votes (8th)
Smith - 18 votes (10th)
Cameron - 11 votes (12th)
Lyons - 1 vote (equal 20th)
Mackay - 0 votes

Rankings are where they finished on Adelaide's ladder - not the competition overall. AFLCA voting is relevant because it's decided by the same people who do the B&F votes - the coaches.

It's safe to say that the Pyke in particular doesn't share BigFooty's love for Lyons, and don't rate him anywhere near as highly as many posters here on BigFooty. By extension, it's highly likely that the assistant coaches will have a similar view.

I would be very, very surprised if Lyons finishes in the top-12 in the B&F this year. He will almost certainly finish ahead of Mackay, but it's highly unlikely that he'll poll more votes than Thompson, Smith or Cameron.

The fact that the coach (possibly coaches) doesn't rate him very highly is probably a good part of the reason why the contract he's been offered is (allegedly) so low, and why the club would (allegedly) be willing to trade him if given the option.

 

[jo172]

Voting in our B & F is done using a very different system to Coaches selecting a 5,4,3,2,1.

Entirely conceivable out players will end up having dissimilar internal rankings.

Our B & F voting tends to reward consistency and playing your role in the 22 man team without rewarding individual brilliance to the same extent.

Under our system it is quite probable that someone like Lyons who is very consistent will outperform a model slanted towards individual brilliance.

 

[Vader]

Voting in our B & F is done using a very different system to Coaches selecting a 5,4,3,2,1.

Entirely conceivable out players will end up having dissimilar internal rankings.

Our B & F voting tends to reward consistency and playing your role in the 22 man team without rewarding individual brilliance to the same extent.

Under our system it is quite probable that someone like Lyons who is very consistent will outperform a model slanted towards individual brilliance.

Yes.. and no.

Yes, it's a different system. However, there is a very strong correlation between votes in the AFLCA and votes in the B&F. This is not at all surprising - it is, after all, the same people voting in both awards.

 

[Vhaluus]

That's a big call, given how poorly he polled in the AFLCA voting this year.

Of the players you named...
Thompson - 22 votes (8th)
Smith - 18 votes (10th)
Cameron - 11 votes (12th)
Lyons - 1 vote (equal 20th)
Mackay - 0 votes

Rankings are where they finished on Adelaide's ladder - not the competition overall. AFLCA voting is relevant because it's decided by the same people who do the B&F votes - the coaches.

It's safe to say that the Pyke in particular doesn't share BigFooty's love for Lyons, and don't rate him anywhere near as highly as many posters here on BigFooty. By extension, it's highly likely that the assistant coaches will have a similar view.

I would be very, very surprised if Lyons finishes in the top-12 in the B&F this year. He will almost certainly finish ahead of Mackay, but it's highly unlikely that he'll poll more votes than Thompson, Smith or Cameron.

The fact that the coach (possibly coaches) doesn't rate him very highly is probably a good part of the reason why the contract he's been offered is (allegedly) so low, and why the club would (allegedly) be willing to trade him if given the option.

Aren't they different criteria? ALFCA is about most influential player.

B&F is more likely to factor in things like playing your role, leadership on the ground and hitting all the small points the coaches ask a player to focus on.

 

[feenix67]

That's a big call, given how poorly he polled in the AFLCA voting this year.

Of the players you named...
Thompson - 22 votes (8th)
Smith - 18 votes (10th)
Cameron - 11 votes (12th)
Lyons - 1 vote (equal 20th)
Mackay - 0 votes

Rankings are where they finished on Adelaide's ladder - not the competition overall. AFLCA voting is relevant because it's decided by the same people who do the B&F votes - the coaches.

It's safe to say that the Pyke in particular doesn't share BigFooty's love for Lyons, and don't rate him anywhere near as highly as many posters here on BigFooty. By extension, it's highly likely that the assistant coaches will have a similar view.

I would be very, very surprised if Lyons finishes in the top-12 in the B&F this year. He will almost certainly finish ahead of Mackay, but it's highly unlikely that he'll poll more votes than Thompson, Smith or Cameron.

The fact that the coach (possibly coaches) doesn't rate him very highly is probably a good part of the reason why the contract he's been offered is (allegedly) so low, and why the club would (allegedly) be willing to trade him if given the option.

Im willing to bet you all of Nikki's socks that Lyons will get more votes than Charlie this year. Why? Because our voting system for the B&F is totally different to the CA award.

 

[Pugsley]

Cast off junk? Big men take time and mckenzie has an elite left food. Durdin had an injury played forst season and was tipped to go #6 in his draft year.

Two up an coming platers for a guy that isn't in your best 22.

I think a pick in the mid 30's is good enough. Just like it was when jacobs left port. We got 25 for greenwood and he finished equal 2nd in our B&F in a year we made a prelim. Lyon would be lucky to finish in the top 15 of your b&f this year.

Go away. You're making a fool of yourself.

 

[Vader]

Aren't they different criteria? ALFCA is about most influential player.

B&F is more likely to factor in things like playing your role, leadership on the ground and hitting all the small points the coaches ask a player to focus on.

The way the B&F voting works is as follows...

There are 5 voters (coaches), each of whom gives every player a vote from 0-5 for every game they play. The votes are awarded as follows:
1 vote – Played his role. Beat his man.
2 votes – Played his role. Beat his man – added to our team offence or defence.
3 votes – Played his role. Beat his man – added to both our team offence and defence.
4 votes – Major contributor. Dominated either offensively or defensively.
5 votes – Best on ground performance – elite impact on game.

Players who get AFLCA votes generally receive a minimum of 15 votes in those games.

Given that Lyons only polled 1 vote, in 1 game, it's unlikely that he'll be polling more than 10 votes in many games. Most of his games will be in the 1-5 range, when he polls at all. Even if he polls in most games, he's still not going to overhaul the bigger vote winning efforts by the likes of Thompson, Smith and Cameron.

 

[Pugsley]

Dumont is off limits. My sources tell me he prefers melbourne now and doesn't want to come back.

Not to catch taxis thats for sure.

 

[arrowman]

I keep seeing this. but I just don't think it will be true that pick 29 will push out far at all. In fact it could be the opposite!

Academy teams can only take as many picks into the draft as the have spots on their list. So they aren't going to be upgrading a lot of deep picks, and it only matters if they 'upgrade' picks that are greater than 29 (in this specific example).

To do this, the academy (or father/son) player would need to be picked before,or at, 29 BUT after the teams last pick prior to 29 (confusing, I know). For example GWS Curren lynhave picks 7, 15ish and 17ish. Therefore, for them to push in front of pick 29 they would have to take an academy player who was picked between 18 and 29. GC's last pick before 29 is 27. Brisbane's is 28 and Sydney's will be from 15-18. There is not a lot of room to upgrade prior to 29 for those teams.

Also in the case of Brisbane and GC, their picks 27 and 28 may be downgraded if they need points to upgrade their earlier picks. Hence 29 could go ahead of one or two of those.

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[Vhaluus]

Im willing to bet you all of Nikki's socks that Lyons will get more votes than Charlie this year. Why? Because our voting system for the B&F is totally different to the CA award.

Careful, he might have a foot fetish.

 

[Vader]

Im willing to bet you all of Nikki's socks that Lyons will get more votes than Charlie this year. Why? Because our voting system for the B&F is totally different to the CA award.

The system is different, but it's the same people doing the voting. Historically there's a strong correlation between the results in both competitions.

 

[Gets!]

Brace yourselves...the hypothetical trades and subsequent arguing is coming...

 

[Scrotes2000]

Totally forgot about Wigg, he could be lethal in our midfield rotations with this kicking skills along with the Rat. You can already see the difference Atkins makes to our team with his sublime kicking skills, Wigg is an even better kick, oh and then there's Riley Knight.

**** me we have some talent waiting in the wings.

Maybe we can trade the services of our recruiting staff out for picks [emoji14] or include that in a bundle for a trade.

We've done some pretty special things with the currency we've had.

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[1970crow]

I keep seeing this. but I just don't think it will be true that pick 29 will push out far at all. In fact it could be the opposite!

Academy teams can only take as many picks into the draft as the have spots on their list. So they aren't going to be upgrading a lot of deep picks, and it only matters if they 'upgrade' picks that are greater than 29 (in this specific example).

To do this, the academy (or father/son) player would need to be picked before,or at, 29 BUT after the teams last pick prior to 29 (confusing, I know). For example GWS Curren lynhave picks 7, 15ish and 17ish. Therefore, for them to push in front of pick 29 they would have to take an academy player who was picked between 18 and 29. GC's last pick before 29 is 27. Brisbane's is 28 and Sydney's will be from 15-18. There is not a lot of room to upgrade prior to 29 for those teams.

Also in the case of Brisbane and GC, their picks 27 and 28 may be downgraded if they need points to upgrade their earlier picks. Hence 29 could go ahead of one or two of those.

This is how I understand it. The pool of players is open to everyone and the order is the order. The only time the pool of talent is reduced is when an academy club with a lower pick outbids you from behind. So for 29 to become 36, every name you'd need 7 academy players removed from the remaining pool with picks greater than yours. This is very, very unlikely I'd have thought.

 

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It's confusing, but the whole bidding system is confusing.

The upshot is academy teams won't have many picks greater than 29 to upgrade, and won't have many opportunities to upgrade and push back 29.

Obviously father/son is another consideration.

 

[arrowman]

Maybe we can trade the services of our recruiting staff out for picks [emoji14] or include that in a bundle for a trade.

We've done some pretty special things with the currency we've had.

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I had the same thought when people were talking about Hartlett.

Hartlett for our third, and a free consultancy from Hamish on how to use it.
Effectively Hartlett for a first, by Port standards.

 

[MRB37]

Posted yesterday, he re-signed today.

 

[Tyls83]

Sounds like North are regretting their Greenwood call from two years ago. He was on their list for years, had a break out season and asked for a significant pay rise, they balked and he went to Collingwood. Sounds familiar eh?

 

[Pykie]

First of all, McKenzie is junk. Chances of him reaching 50 AFL games are dwindling by the second. He is your version of Mitch Grigg, right down to his left boot being his one and only weapon. Not AFL standard. He'd likely be delisted if you didn't have so many retirees and Aaron Black / Nahas freeing up so many spots.

Durdin is a question mark. Maybe he'll develop into a nice player, maybe he won't. We didn't want him on draft day despite him being a local lad, and we took Lever instead. Don't think we're even close to changing our minds on that one, and we have no need for Durdin now with the emergence of Lever, Hartigan and very promising youngsters such as Keath and Doedee waiting in the wings for our defence. He's certainly not required up forward either.

Lyons will be top 12 in our B&F this year, well above the likes of Mackay, Thompson, Cameron and probably even Brodie Smith. Where will McKenzie come in yours?

Ben Jacobs at Port never approached a season of the standard Lyons has just put up. Lyons is worth a pick in the early to mid 20s, and even then I'll be gutted to lose him.

Who knows, maybe Dumont is looking to come back to SA and it'll be a straight swap. I quite like Dumont, but its a case of better the devil you know there. Would rather keep Lyons.

Is Milera junk?