List Mgmt. 2016 Trade and Free Agency Targets Inner Sanctum Thread. Part 3

[Linton St]

finlayson is contracted till the end of next year according to the info from the giants bnf.

Going to be a very good footballer, whoever lands him this year or next..

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Surely we've sounded out E. McKenzie, & with a B&F only a few years ago prior to his ACL was one of the best KD's going round.
If it costs us next year's second, it'd be a draft pick well spent. Would bring a great deal more to our backline than N.Brown.
At best Brown's a plodder with no rebound or intercept tools within his limited ability.
I can't recall many ex Pie players in recent years coming to the Saints, other than Monkey & Francis..
In 2016 Tom Lee was a better defender than Brown, & can be switched forward to some effect..
EMac will be back to his best next year, & he'd be an important pick up complimenting JC..
A spine reading the following, puts us right into top 6 calculations for next year..
McKenzie
Carlisle
Acres/Ross
Bruce
McCartin/Membrey

EMacs not a bad option either but dont give me this EMacs the second coming and N Browns a plodder business. Thats rubbish. N Brown played some real quality footy this year. He'll be easier to get. And not cost draft picks.

 

[St Neil]

I think if you go by the point system pick 10 would get 2 picks in the mid 20's. I'd love to keep 10 and possibly do the slide back with a future first rounder. Not sure what club would be willing to do that thou.

Listening to Baines my impression was the club still had some drafting and building to do. If the club assesses the draft to be even I think they will want to multiply picks this year while quarantining the early pick for next year.

If we improve significantly this year the early pick next year allows us to trade for a big fish in the open market, or to trade if a bid for a Free Agent is matched. Or we can still take that pick to the draft, or cash it in for multiple lower picks. It offers enormous flexibility.

In addition, if we trade a future second round pick for Steele we can't trade next year's first round pick anyway.

My impression is the club wants to keep its options open for next year. Rating this draft as relatively even would justify this strategy.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

FYI
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/121018/Jack-STEELE

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111132/Nathan-BROWN

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/111641/Eric-MACKENZIE

 

[Rors]

Surely we've sounded out E. McKenzie, & with a B&F only a few years ago prior to his ACL was one of the best KD's going round.
If it costs us next year's second, it'd be a draft pick well spent. Would bring a great deal more to our backline than N.Brown.
At best Brown's a plodder with no rebound or intercept tools within his limited ability.
I can't recall many ex Pie players in recent years coming to the Saints, other than Monkey & Francis..
In 2016 Tom Lee was a better defender than Brown, & can be switched forward to some effect..
EMac will be back to his best next year, & he'd be an important pick up complimenting JC..
A spine reading the following, puts us right into top 6 calculations for next year..
McKenzie
Carlisle
Acres/Ross
Bruce
McCartin/Membrey

In 2016, Tom Lee was a better defender than Nathan Brown?

Please tell me you aren't serious

 

[Half Back Pocket]

I think if you go by the point system pick 10 would get 2 picks in the mid 20's. I'd love to keep 10 and possibly do the slide back with a future first rounder. Not sure what club would be willing to do that thou.

Correct, but GCS are in a unique position where the might actually lose those mid 20s picks if they don't trade them
10 & 2017 2nd -> 22, 23, 25 & 28
Steele -> 45
25 & 28 -> high teens pick

 

[bird_man]

After listening to Baines, I'd be surprised if we went for any older players, even key backs. I reckon we could rule out getting McKenzie anyway.

 

[Glen Buterol]

After listening to Baines, I'd be surprised if we went for any older players, even key backs. I reckon we could rule out getting McKenzie anyway.

Yup. I reckon we will go with Fisher as a back up on the rookie list before we bring in a Brown or Mckenzie type. Carlisle, Dempster, Goddard, Roberton, Gilbert & Fisher as the medium-tall options.

 

[AaronSCHQ]

I've missed a bit of the Dunstan conversation, but gathered enough. His speed isn't an issue. I believe we had another #7 not so long ago who wasn't super fast, but geez he could tackle and play the game well. Some games I watched this year, the way Dunstan did a side step or gave the hands out looked like Lenny.

In fact, Seb has reminded me of Pendles or Dal a couple of times this year too. That characteristic burst away from a pack, just enough movement to break away and put his good decision making to use by foot or hand. I was Level 1 at the Richmond game and it was awesome to see.

Now Acres, who does he reminded everyone of? I'm struggling to think of someone but gee he could be special if he can tidy up his kicking in the run. Untackable in a year or two.

Another genuine extractor like Steele is a perfect addition, and we just need some outside speed. It's handy knowing we have Freeman there, if he can get back to AFL level. Ideally we can snag a utility in the draft who can play outside, speedy with a good kick and can move forward.

 

[_Maximus_12]

Word from someone in attendance at the Copeland last night was that Buckley thanked a few players for their service to the club. One of those was Nathan Brown.
Make of that what you will...

 

[Keg on legs]

I've missed a bit of the Dunstan conversation, but gathered enough. His speed isn't an issue. I believe we had another #7 not so long ago who wasn't super fast, but geez he could tackle and play the game well. Some games I watched this year, the way Dunstan did a side step or gave the hands out looked like Lenny.

In fact, Seb has reminded me of Pendles or Dal a couple of times this year too. That characteristic burst away from a pack, just enough movement to break away and put his good decision making to use by foot or hand. I was Level 1 at the Richmond game and it was awesome to see.

Now Acres, who does he reminded everyone of? I'm struggling to think of someone but gee he could be special if he can tidy up his kicking in the run. Untackable in a year or two.

Another genuine extractor like Steele is a perfect addition, and we just need some outside speed. It's handy knowing we have Freeman there, if he can get back to AFL level. Ideally we can snag a utility in the draft who can play outside, speedy with a good kick and can move forward.

I see a bit of a cross between pendles' ability to move through heavy traffic and Danger's brute strength & pack splitting ability in Blake.

No, I'm not saying he will be as good as them.

I'm saying he will be BETTER!!!!!

 

[Monika72]

Word from someone in attendance at the Copeland last night was that Buckley thanked a few players for their service to the club. One of those was Nathan Brown.
Make of that what you will...

Yes we know Nathan brought him a cold coffee, we know what happened to the last person who gave him a cold coffee don't we Heath Shaw.

 

[The Boar]

FYI
http://www.aflplayerratings.com.au/Ratings/Player/121018/Jack-STEELE
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Hopefully the numbers are lying...not overly exciting reviews


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[Grav]

Now Acres, who does he reminded everyone of? I'm struggling to think of someone but gee he could be special if he can tidy up his kicking in the run. Untackable in a year or two.

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We had another player that didnt go to ground easily, was big hipped which helped at slicing through packs. Now if Acres becomes half as good as him (but IMO he`ll go a lot better than half) then we are well in front. He still may have a little way to go, with that other player being the great Robert Harvey.

 

[FlyingSledghamer]

Hopefully the numbers are lying...not overly exciting reviews


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Thats the thing. I wonder what kind of season Eli would have had in the NEAFL.
Im not saying Steeles gona be a flop.
The step up from NEAFL to AFL is huge which is reflected in the numbers.
But hes big and hes young. You couldnt imagine him not lifting to the next level?

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

The Dunstan criticism is very wide of the mark.

He does so much of the dirty, hard work inside packs that often goes unnoticed.

Especially if you're watching the game on telly.

Eli could become a good link up player in time but others have gone past him at present. He's good depth if we lose a few mids... happy for him to get better opportunities elsewhere though.

JB will be a star. Couldn't care less about nuffies who don't rate him. They'll all be on the bandwagon soon enough & will hope that their opinions are forgotten.


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[Linton St]

EMacs not a bad option either but dont give me this EMacs the second coming and N Browns a plodder business. Thats rubbish. N Brown played some real quality footy this year. He'll be easier to get. And not cost draft picks.

I just don't like dealing with the Pies in any shape, so Brown's not on my Xmas list..
Why is FIGJAM letting him walk, as Frost is also on the move.
Their going to end up like us, where quality opposition KF's get off the chain & destroy us..

 

[Glen Buterol]

Thats the thing. I wonder what kind of season Eli would have had in the NEAFL.
Im not saying Steeles gona be a flop.
The step up from NEAFL to AFL is huge which is reflected in the numbers.
But hes big and hes young. You couldnt imagine him not lifting to the next level?

Steele wins his own footy on he deck & in the air. Totally different proposition to Eli. Steele is tracking similarly to Acres both in statistics & midfield opportunities he's been afforded.

 

[joop]

nope, rate his game massively.

you can't just trade speedy good endurance good kick players in the afl. his body isn't at afl level but I'm patient along as we have guys like panther on the list

Eli has some good traits yes, but fact is he never gets the ball and not once has he impacted a game.
I wouldn't trade him, but I'm not expecting him to be best 22 either.

 

[maanco]

Thats the thing. I wonder what kind of season Eli would have had in the NEAFL.
Im not saying Steeles gona be a flop.
The step up from NEAFL to AFL is huge which is reflected in the numbers.
But hes big and hes young. You couldnt imagine him not lifting to the next level?

Its not the fact that he played different positions in the NEAFL to the AFL?

 

[BilboJackins]

Steele wins his own footy on he deck & in the air. Totally different proposition to Eli. Steele is tracking similarly to Acres both in statistics & midfield opportunities he's been afforded.

Steele's speed is the concern, not as dynamic as Acres

 

[lewdogs]

Thats the thing. I wonder what kind of season Eli would have had in the NEAFL.
Im not saying Steeles gona be a flop.
The step up from NEAFL to AFL is huge which is reflected in the numbers.
But hes big and hes young. You couldnt imagine him not lifting to the next level?

Steele has done a lot more than Eli at afl level at this stage.

 

[bird_man]

Hopefully the numbers are lying...not overly exciting reviews


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Not bad for a player in his second year mostly playing out of position. Compare those numbers to Acres after his second year.