Society/Culture Why I blame Islam for the fact it's raining today....

[cartwright]

This is a tricky issue here. I've no doubt what you're saying is true (ie most women who wear the burka do so willingly). I've also no doubt that it remains a form of oppression.

If wearing that particular garb were banned tomorrow, and then rules relaxed several generations later, how many women would willingly take to wearing it again? It's a largely useless hypothetical question, but I would wager that not many would.

Burka or the hijab?

 

[Maggie5]

This is a tricky issue here. I've no doubt what you're saying is true (ie most women who wear the burka do so willingly). I've also no doubt that it remains a form of oppression.

If wearing that particular garb were banned tomorrow, and then rules relaxed several generations later, how many women would willingly take to wearing it again? It's a largely useless hypothetical question, but I would wager that not many would.

I know a number of Muslim women and it is a question I have asked them more than once more so when the weather gets hotter.
Given that a number of extended female family members do not wear it (some still wear a scarf), the few that still wear it just shrug their shoulders, laugh and say that they feel comfortable within themselves wearing it. One wears it despite her husband not liking it.
These are people that have been in Australia for many years too.

I think sometimes we over think things that really don't matter.

Perhaps overseas and in other countries it may be different but don't really think it is a major issue here until the media and some diehards make it so.

 

[WeetBixKid]

Was in Malaysia recently. Flew in on the day of the protests regarding the PM who had been found to have a billion or so USD "resting" in his personal account. My first time in a Muslim country and, for what it's worth, here are my ill informed opinions.

KL is a beautiful city. Very green and squared away nicely. During my bloody lovely time there, and other parts of the country, some prejudices softened and others hardened.

First off, the kids are all right. Gen Y are f***ing lovely. So many young girls with the hijab are in customer service roles and are worldly. Smartphones and cheap internet could yet save the world. These young girls and guys get around in groups, mixing with each other harmoniously. Was a bit unsure of the head scarf previously but now couldn't give a f**k. Not at all.

On the other hand, the full burka cannot be seen as anything other than a powerful symbol of oppression. Dudes walking down the street (30 plus degrees and 90% humidity) in loose trousers and short sleeve shirts. Ten paces back followed their women in full black shrouds. FMD. And you only see these women ten paces behind their men. They play no other role in society as far as I can tell.

At the Penang beaches the young Lebanese dudes would be swimming in the surf while their wives would be wading ankle deep in the shallows. Still full burka, just sensually getting their Nike sneakers and lower parts of their jeans wet.

Whilst it was a total blast telling the missus to "get in behind" whenever she pissed me off, the sense of oppression is real in a Muslim country. Surely the world will change for the better.

It's quite the contrast isn't it. the headscarfes mix in seemlessly, but i never did get used to the saudi dudes leading their burka claden women around like dogs either

 

[Procrastinator35]

I know a number of Muslim women and it is a question I have asked them more than once more so when the weather gets hotter.
Given that a number of extended female family members do not wear it (some still wear a scarf), the few that still wear it just shrug their shoulders, laugh and say that they feel comfortable within themselves wearing it. One wears it despite her husband not liking it.
These are people that have been in Australia for many years too.

I think sometimes we over think things that really don't matter.

Perhaps overseas and in other countries it may be different but don't really think it is a major issue here until the media and some diehards make it so.

Still....It's pretty laughable when a Western male, plying quite clear misogynistic traits; Will use it to say: 'See, look how we could treat you'.

Mistaking the external garb for an interior mind-set.

That's just how lost & externalized many Westerners have become....That our clothes are somehow, the signature of who we are & an expression of our true individuality & identity.

****ing Clueless.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

USA ******* the middle east = reason to be very careful of immigration. I mean, you wouldn't go around beating up homeless people on the streets of Melbourne and then invite them to your house and not expect something to go wrong.

I'd say beating homeless people up makes you liable for their plight, at least in part, and therefore liable for a better outcome for them.

 

[flashmanvc]

I know a number of Muslim women and it is a question I have asked them more than once more so when the weather gets hotter.
Given that a number of extended female family members do not wear it (some still wear a scarf), the few that still wear it just shrug their shoulders, laugh and say that they feel comfortable within themselves wearing it. One wears it despite her husband not liking it.
These are people that have been in Australia for many years too.

I think sometimes we over think things that really don't matter.

Perhaps overseas and in other countries it may be different but don't really think it is a major issue here until the media and some diehards make it so.

I'll take that on board mate, thanks. Like I indicated in an earlier post I'm willing to have my mind changed on this matter (and others. Except football related stuff, where it's more enjoyable to have unmovable positions).

I can't help but feel an innate sympathy when I see someone wearing the burka though. It's not born of racism, xenophobia or ideology, just a flat out feeling of "you poor bastard, having to wear sack in weather like this".

 

[Paul Kersey]

I'd say beating homeless people up makes you liable for their plight, at least in part, and therefore liable for a better outcome for them.

I'd say beating up homeless people makes you an arseh*le who is liable for the damage caused by the assault, not their plight. You don't become responsible for decisions and situations you had no involvement in.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I'd say beating up homeless people makes you an arseh*le who is liable for the damage caused by the assault, not their plight. You don't become responsible for decisions and situations you had no involvement in.

That's why I said 'in part'. Their post-beating plight, in other words. You may not have contributed to them being homeless, but the decision you made to beat the shit out of them would have made their situation much, much worse.

Libya dissolved into a failed state after Gaddafi's overthrow and murder, facilitated by NATO airstrikes. The members of NATO who participated 'own' at least a share in the subsequent refugee crisis.

When Hussein was overthrown in Iraq. When the Taliban were overthrown in Afghanistan. All those nations became lawless to a degree, and refugees fled. Nations contributing to the mayhem 'own' a part of the solution.

 

[chelseacarlton]

Can you understand that most Islamic women don't have an issue with their cultural dress-codes; & that your projection of Western 'values', is prefaced upon sheer ignorance?

Bullshit is bullshit

 

[chelseacarlton]

Needs to be highlighted more.

Bullshit

 

[chelseacarlton]

Still....It's pretty laughable when a Western male, plying quite clear misogynistic traits; Will use it to say: 'See, look how we could treat you'.

Mistaking the external garb for an interior mind-set.

That's just how lost & externalized many Westerners have become....That our clothes are somehow, the signature of who we are & an expression of our true individuality & identity.

******* Clueless.

You don't get off bigfooty enough to notice anything in the real world,so your opinion on this subject is invalid.

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[Procrastinator35]

Someone's lost the plot.....And not for the first time.

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[chelseacarlton]

Someone's lost the plot.....And not for the first time.

How so mate?,its you and your pathetic liberal Christian belief or Abrahamic apologist or people of the book,as Muslims put it,daftness that caused the latest shooting in America.
Clinton not being in the Whitehouse is far better than having to put with Pence etal
We can laugh at the creationists such as yourself,but we need to be far more vigilant with the fascist Islam believers.

 

[chelseacarlton]

 

[Procrastinator35]

LOL....Hitchens bot confirmed.

Sweet meltdown....Nuclear in fact.

 

[baphomet]

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Good one

 

[Maggie5]

Bullshit

Always amazes me how some posters know more than the women in question.
Maybe you just prefer bikini clad ladies?

 

[awaremind]

Still....It's pretty laughable when a Western male, plying quite clear misogynistic traits; Will use it to say: 'See, look how we could treat you'.

Mistaking the external garb for an interior mind-set.

That's just how lost & externalized many Westerners have become....That our clothes are somehow, the signature of who we are & an expression of our true individuality & identity.

******* Clueless.

That's exactly how the jihadists see us. I don't see myself in that way at all, but I had no television as a child.

 

[baphomet]

That's exactly how the jihadists see us. I don't see myself in that way at all, but I had no television as a child.

Danger mouse was excellent

 

[chelseacarlton]

Always amazes me how some posters know more than the women in question.
Maybe you just prefer bikini clad ladies?

Nonsense.
I work for many Muslim women and many only observe the covering traditions out of fear of retribution.
Of course they tell a little white girl it's all culturally cool as they sweat their arses off with ten kids and a dozen shopping bags under their arms as the husband walks ten paces ahead.
It's a grand old culture,it's the high flying culture,it's the culture for me and for you.......

 

[JackOutback]

Bullshit is bullshit

Clearly you think you speak on behalf of all Muslim women

For the record, a bunch of memes does not an argument make.