Traded Bryce Gibbs [traded to Adelaide] - (cont. in Part 2)

[Dc9798]

Pretty sure you cant compare what happened with Tippet unless we had done an under the table deal with PD

I think exactly what happened with gibbs was always going to happen, Carlton demand overs and were well with in their right to as he was a contracted player, Adelaide saw sense and wasnt prepared to sell the farm for a player like gibbs, if it was a Fyfe who knows thats a different situation

Both circumstances where different, but the same result would have occurred with PD nominating the PS Draft, his manager telling other teams to back off and Geelong get him for nothing. Thankfully for us that didn't happen!

And agreed with Gibbs, if Adelaide gave up 2 x 1st rounders for him, the uproar on 5aa would have been unbearable!

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[RudyBlue]

Silvinis bazaar

 

[marty36]

Both circumstances where different, but the same result would have occurred with PD nominating the PS Draft, his manager telling other teams to back off and Geelong get him for nothing. Thankfully for us that didn't happen!

And agreed with Gibbs, if Adelaide gave up 2 x 1st rounders for him, the uproar on 5aa would have been unbearable!

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Carlton were bottom followed by GC and Brisbane, I think carlton were keen on the #1 pick but if he escaped carlton I jhave no doubt brisbane or GC wiould grab him only so that they could get him for a year and trade him the year after for great currency

No Club in their right mind would back away from that, as Carlton did with Nick Stevens, regardless of any managers comments he can sit out footy but still cant gaurantee going to geelong the year after as he lost his FA status, Adelaide could have forced that scenario if they wanted and it wouldnt have bothered me if they had

 

[beowulf]

What lack of knowledge in regard to a Carlton poster calling people sooks because they dare question Carlton superiorority. Carton are no good,there is plenty of evidence,even a heavily suspended Essendon defeated the Blues and still you all think your on the right track just because of Silvini.
If Gibbs was perfectly fine staying at Carlton he wouldn't have asked to leave. I'd take the fact he asked to leave when he had the chance as better evidence than a post event interview. What else was he going to say at this point.
It's the Blues supporters with no idea about their list. First you all think Murphy and Gibbs are still going to be around when your finally competitive enough to push for a flag,like it's just around the corner and you all keep constantly mentioning ten game players and in many cases zero game players as ready made stars who will make it 100%. No wait and see,no patience just its definite and if you have an opposing view your a hater or a sook. Unbelievable,and the typical Carlton arrogance that has led the club up this path and why it has struggled to get back.

Nice rant. But it lacks a little credibility when you can't even spell 'Silvagni' correctly. Try a spelling and grammar checker as well.

As for your opinions about Carlton, feel free to have one. After all, everybody else does. However, don't expect it to be held in high regard. You don't appear to have noticed anything going on Carlton in recent times. Well, fair enough: you did a have a decent year this time. But take from people who see us play regularly: we have made changes in almost all aspects of our operation. We do have a pretty good idea as to where our list is: we've been complaining about the idiots doing the recruiting for 2 decades. We are in 'the process' at the moment and 'having patience' is required. Come back in 2018 and see what is happening. You might be surprised.

 

[beowulf]

Carlton were bottom followed by GC and Brisbane, I think carlton were keen on the #1 pick but if he escaped carlton I jhave no doubt brisbane or GC wiould grab him only so that they could get him for a year and trade him the year after for great currency

No Club in their right mind would back away from that, as Carlton did with Nick Stevens, regardless of any managers comments he can sit out footy but still cant gaurantee going to geelong the year after as he lost his FA status, Adelaide could have forced that scenario if they wanted and it wouldnt have bothered me if they had

Interesting universe you live in: not cluttered up by the facts.
[1] The order you are referring to 2015's order. It has nothing to do with Bryce Gibbs. We GOT the #1 pick: he wears #23 and looks promising.
[2] Gibbs to Brisbane and/or Gold Coast: where did you get that from? According to Gibbs, going into the PSD was never an option and he wouldn't have chosen a Qld team anyway.
[3] Nick Stevens didn't want to go to Geelong. Where did they come in?

If Adelaide had wanted him badly enough, they could have managed a trade. They were not willing to supply what was required to make it happen. Not at any time did get close. Silvagni thought that they were wasting his time. He was correct.
It happened.
If Adelaide want to trade for Gibbs at the end of the 2017 season, they now have an idea as to what it will take. If they are willing to pay, then they have a chance. If they are not, then they are wasting everybody's time again. Maybe Port will have got their house in order: they may be willing to pay up.

 

[marty36]

Interesting universe you live in: not cluttered up by the facts.
[1] The order you are referring to 2015's order. It has nothing to do with Bryce Gibbs. We GOT the #1 pick: he wears #23 and looks promising.
[2] Gibbs to Brisbane and/or Gold Coast: where did you get that from? According to Gibbs, going into the PSD was never an option and he wouldn't have chosen a Qld team anyway.
[3] Nick Stevens didn't want to go to Geelong. Where did they come in?

If Adelaide had wanted him badly enough, they could have managed a trade. They were not willing to supply what was required to make it happen. Not at any time did get close. Silvagni thought that they were wasting his time. He was correct.
It happened.
If Adelaide want to trade for Gibbs at the end of the 2017 season, they now have an idea as to what it will take. If they are willing to pay, then they have a chance. If they are not, then they are wasting everybody's time again. Maybe Port will have got their house in order: they may be willing to pay up.

hahahahahah

We were talking about forcing PD into the draft by demanding more for him as we could match his salary as an RFA, I said we should have followed carltons way and forced him to go into the draft. I have no problems with you asking heavily for Gibbs he was contracted he had to be taught, it aint that easy, SOS was quite within his rights and probably did the right thing, as Adelaide were for not selling the farm to get him

 

[beowulf]

hahahahahah

We were talking about forcing PD into the draft by demanding more for him as we could match his salary as an RFA, I said we should have followed carltons way and forced him to go into the draft. I have no problems with you asking heavily for Gibbs he was contracted he had to be taught, it aint that easy, SOS was quite within his rights and probably did the right thing, as Adelaide were for not selling the farm to get him

I don't think Geelong were ever going to let it get to a PSD situation. We would gladly have stood back and opened up our salary cap had it happened, but....
I feel that Dangerfield didn't quite rip Adelaide off: his contract was over. But you would hope to see a bit more loyalty.
One of a main issues I have with the Free Agency system, as it is working at the moment, is that clubs can go around and steal the better players from another without being penalized in any way. In the old days they HAD to give something of value, whether it was truly reasonable or not. That doesn't happen.
The compensation the AFL then delivers is arbitrary and bares little relationship to that player's real worth to his club. It then penalizes every other club by moving them further down the draft order.
That is a poor system.

 

[Blue By Blood]

Silvagni hasn't proven anything. He has traded for a bunch of players from GWS, none of which have really reached their potential whilst at Carlton. He traded for two players from Adelaide that were not good enough to get a game here, and won't be an effective part of your next premiership-contending team. Essentially he has put all his faith in players that are list cloggers rather than backing in his talent scouts and recruiting staff. He is still miles off pulling together a top-4 list. Now to the Gibbs decision. Yes he wouldn't compromise. But that first and (third or second pick) that Carlton could have had (in a super draft) may have been gun players that could bring Carlton to that next level in a few years. He has opted for keeping a player that would rather come home to Adelaide and in 2-3 years will likely be winding up his career, than draft players that will actually improve them long term.

Sell when the value is high. I wish we had with Dangerfield. Picks 2 & 3 from Melbourne would have been nice. I am glad we cashed in with Bernie Vince, Matt Crouch is a gun.

Point 1: So he's supposed to purely embrace the draft and throw the kids to the wolves without bringing in any mature talent? That would be a sure fire way for the kids to not end up reaching their full potential. He has taken a hybrid approach by bringing in a lot of kids through the draft but also added some experience to the list to help the kids develop. Furthermore, by doing so, he filled an age bracket that we were devoid of. Guys like Marchbank, Pickett, Plowman, Sumner all have lots of potential and will be given every chance to succeed.

Point 2: He has brought in 14 players through the draft in the last 2 years (Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Glass-McKasker, Gallucci, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Williamson, Kerr, LeBois). I hardly call that not backing in the recruiting staff. That's a huge list turnover utilizing the draft and recruiting team.

Point 3: He got rid of conditional guys like Menzel and Yarran (both failed to play a game for their respective clubs in 2016 with one now out of the AFL system completely) whilst bringing in high draft picks for both. He also found a way of turning Tuohy into Marchbank and Pickett after he told Geelong that they could trade their first round pick this year which most clubs were unaware of (since they had already traded their firsts in previous years). Once again on face value this is a win for Carlton.

Point 4: He didn't cave to the Crows and accept what we deemed unders for a player of his caliber. He will likely re-visit a trade to the Crows at the end of 2017 and receive a high pick in a draft which is considered strong for key position players. Which means he retains the services of one of our best players and leaders for at least another year, in which he looms as playing an important role to help facilitate the further growth of our new influx of midfielders.

Summary: It's still too early to judge what he has done after only 2 seasons as list manager. However, on face value it appears he has given us every chance to succeed and has drafted in the core of our future. There is much hope with Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Macreadie, Marchbank, Plowman, Pickett and LeBois especially. That's a huge influx of young talent over a two year period. I would suggest that's more than any other club in the competition. He's not just sitting around doing nothing, he's being active and facilitating change to a list that badly needed it. The other guys like Kerridge, Wright, Phillips, etc. serve a role of helping the younger kids develop. Any 'recycled' player he has brought in has cost us very little. This whole notion of Silvagni only bringing in recycled players is absolute rubbish. I suggest people do a little more research when building a case.

 

[Dc9798]

Point 1: So he's supposed to purely embrace the draft and throw the kids to the wolves without bringing in any mature talent? That would be a sure fire way for the kids to not end up reaching their full potential. He has taken a hybrid approach by bringing in a lot of kids through the draft but also added some experience to the list to help the kids develop. Furthermore, by doing so, he filled an age bracket that we were devoid of. Guys like Marchbank, Pickett, Plowman, Sumner all have lots of potential and will be given every chance to succeed.

Point 2: He has brought in 14 players through the draft in the last 2 years (Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Glass-McKasker, Gallucci, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Macreadie, Polson, Williamson, Kerr, LeBois). I hardly call that not backing in the recruiting staff. That's a huge list turnover utilizing the draft and recruiting team.

Point 3: He got rid of conditional guys like Menzel and Yarran (both failed to play a game for their respective clubs in 2016 with one now out of the AFL system completely) whilst bringing in high draft picks for both. He also found a way of turning Tuohy into Marchbank and Pickett after he told Geelong that they could trade their first round pick this year which most clubs were unaware of (since they had already traded their firsts in previous years). Once again on face value this is a win for Carlton.

Point 4: He didn't cave to the Crows and accept what we deemed unders for a player of his caliber. He will likely re-visit a trade to the Crows at the end of 2017 and receive a high pick in a draft which is considered strong for key position players. Which means he retains the services of one of our best players and leaders for at least another year, in which he looms as playing an important role to help facilitate the further growth of our new influx of midfielders.

Summary: It's still too early to judge what he has done after only 2 seasons as list manager. However, on face value it appears he has given us every chance to succeed and has drafted in the core of our future. There is much hope with Weitering, McKay, Curnow, Cuningham, Silvagni, Petrevski-Seton, Fisher, Macreadie, Marchbank, Plowman, Pickett and LeBois especially. That's a huge influx of young talent over a two year period. I would suggest that's more than any other club in the competition. He's not just sitting around doing nothing, he's being active and facilitating change to a list that badly needed it. The other guys like Kerridge, Wright, Phillips, etc. serve a role of helping the younger kids develop. Any 'recycled' player he has brought in has cost us very little. This whole notion of Silvagni only bringing in recycled players is absolute rubbish. I suggest people do a little more research when building a case.

I agree with all points there. SOS is bringing Carlton's recruiting into the modern era.
At the end of it, both Adelaide and Carlton supporters shouldn't be disappointed with the Gibbs outcome. Adelaide kept their draft picks & in my eyes drafted very well and Carlton kept the services of their gun senior player.


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[Kane McGoodwin]

Bryce has easy five years on him. the club has already said will go one , maybe two A grade free agents end of year. Fine - just get it right

This will mean at start of 2018

- Silvagni, Curnow, McKay will be in their third year
- Bryce 29, Murphy 31, Curnow 29, Cripps 23 and SPS 20 + at least one A grade as per Carlton release
- Weitering 20, Docherty 24, Plowman, 23, Marchbank 21 is nucleus of defence

So now I am focussed on Carlton release which A graders are we gonna get?

I list the ones I think are gettable on big money as we have plenty of capspace



Brisbane
Tom Rockliff

Essendon
David Zaharakis

Fremantle
Nat Fyfe

Geelong
Steven Motlop

Hawthorn
Luke Breust

Richmond
Dustin Martin

So one or two prime names in the free agent criteria will come from this list, who will it be?

Will Fyfe and Martin make us top four material?

Lol, 2 gun players won't make the Blues top 4 nor top-8 for that matter.

Currently have a bottom 4 list needing a major rebuild.

 

[pinot]

Lol, 2 gun players won't make the Blues top 4 nor top-8 for that matter.

Currently have a bottom 4 list needing a major rebuild.

We bought in enough under 21 players and have the second youngest list in the competition. You are not paying attention.

Under 21 players would have 15-30 games under their belt heading into 2018. So this year is super important for us for our young forward line to develop.

We don't have an inside 50 problem (just the quality needs to improve a little bit) we have a super functioning forward line problem.

Hence the importance of the development of Silvagni, Curnow and McKay this year

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

We bought in enough under 21 players and have the second youngest list in the competition. You are not paying attention.

Under 21 players would have 15-30 games under their belt heading into 2018. So this year is super important for us for our young forward line to develop.

We don't have an inside 50 problem (just the quality needs to improve a little bit) we have a super functioning forward line problem.

Hence the importance of the development of Silvagni, Curnow and McKay this year

I play plenty of attention & you just confirmed my view that the Blues are rebuilding with youngsters, hence are nowhere near top-4.

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

I play plenty of attention & you just confirmed my view that the Blues are rebuilding with youngsters, hence are nowhere near top-4.

You also said we need a major rebuild before acknowledging we have been rebuilding. What we need now is development.

 

[Cleric]

I don't think Geelong were ever going to let it get to a PSD situation. We would gladly have stood back and opened up our salary cap had it happened, but....
I feel that Dangerfield didn't quite rip Adelaide off: his contract was over. But you would hope to see a bit more loyalty.
One of a main issues I have with the Free Agency system, as it is working at the moment, is that clubs can go around and steal the better players from another without being penalized in any way. In the old days they HAD to give something of value, whether it was truly reasonable or not. That doesn't happen.
The compensation the AFL then delivers is arbitrary and bares little relationship to that player's real worth to his club. It then penalizes every other club by moving them further down the draft order.
That is a poor system.

I agree. FA is to allow the player to move easier not to give clubs free players. Its should be the receiving club that has to compensate through some scheme with a discount maybe.

 

[Weiterbot23]

If Bryce still wants to go at the end of this season, I'd trade him for Adeliades first.
-he'll be 28
-it's a stronger draft
-our midfield will be a year older so his loss won't be as great

 

[Mego Red]

If Bryce still wants to go at the end of this season, I'd trade him for Adeliades first.
-he'll be 28
-it's a stronger draft
-our midfield will be a year older so his loss won't be as great

He'll have three years left.

Look at that from Adelaide's perspective. Why would they give up a first round pick in a quality draft for three years of Gibbs?

 

[Weiterbot23]

He'll have three years left.

Look at that from Adelaide's perspective. Why would they give up a first round pick in a quality draft for three years of Gibbs?

Yeah maybe you won't, you'd be giving up a similar number pick in a stronger draft for a player a year older.

 

[Mego Red]

Assuming we finish in similar spots, I'd consider our first and second for Gibbs and your second.

 

[Weiterbot23]

Assuming we finish in similar spots, I'd consider our first and second for Gibbs and your second.

Gibbs for an 8ish pick downgrade?

I dunno, we'd have to really love someone in the top 13-15 of the draft to pull the trigger on that.

We don't have our second next year though.

 

[slashin_velvet]

I think we're more likely to be in the ears of any young crows coming out of contract and keen to move back to melbourne.

 

[HARKER]

I think we're more likely to be in the ears of any young crows coming out of contract and keen to move back to melbourne.

That didn't work last year and not sure it will work this one.

Bryce has come back in great nick but we'll just have to evaluate his situation at the end of this year.

 

[slashin_velvet]

That didn't work last year and not sure it will work this one.

Bryce has come back in great nick but we'll just have to evaluate his situation at the end of this year.

Last year sounds like it caught us off guard before trade period.now we have 12 months to work out who we want and is out of contract which puts us in a good bargaining position.

 

[1990crow]

Last year sounds like it caught us off guard before trade period.now we have 12 months to work out who we want and is out of contract which puts us in a good bargaining position.

And find a player that wants to go to a cellar dweller.

 

[slashin_velvet]

And find a player that wants to go to a cellar dweller.

Any player who can't see what were trying to achieve, probably isn't the kinda player were looking to attract....as opposed to all the success they're seemingly getting at the crows.

 

[Mego Red]

Any player who can't see what were trying to achieve, probably isn't the kinda player were looking to attract....as opposed to all the success they're seemingly getting at the crows.

They're doing a lot of winning at the Crows, with a young list.

You'd need to have a big change of fortune to become a destination club.