Mega Thread Port Forum 'General AFL Talk' Thread Part 4

[TheFVK]

All the more reason why getting our shit together off-field is more important than ever, the power clubs will profit. Brisbane Lions will be gnashing their teeth over this one.

 

[Jakksynn]

Yeah if they're going to make Free Agency that open then they might aswell just fold Brisbane now and be done with it.

 

[tribey]

I haven't been paying attention to other clubs so what has Freo done differently since we destroyed them? I just assume it will be an easy win for the Crows.

• Walters into the midfield.
• Brad Hill is finally fulfilling his potential with tireless up and back running and scoreboard impact.
• Lachie Neale is at the peak of his powers.
• Mundy is beasting it in a Robbiesque forward role.
• Michael Johnson is back to his best.
• Cam McCarthy has found his feet.
• Fyfe is back in the groove.
• They've found one in Connor Blakely. As honest as the day is long.

That said, they're not great and their record's a false economy inflated by three last-gasp wins over Dees, Roos and Tigs, but they're light years ahead of the team that left Adelaide Oval looking like they'd be lucky to win 5 games.

 

[philthy05]

Let me preface this by saying I don't know Josh Schache or anything about his personal life... but if* he leaves Brisbane then I wish him no success whatsoever.

*"when" might be more appropriate

I have no sympathy at all for Brisbane



When the media was attacking us for being shit we held onto a rather long list of targeted vic players.


Brisbane lost a handful of interstate players and got given an academy.

When they were losing these players we heard many stories come out of that club, they were not just losing players because these players wanted to go home , the club was a shithole. Lots of stories about poor management , player cliques , players not feeling welcome or at home , poor off field and on field leadership. But Brisbane didn't address any of it just cried foul at homesick players leaving. They got a academy for their troubles. Qld players like armitage and whitecross were more than available at the trade table and they instead went to the draft table with a long list of draft picks year after year. Beams and Breust were easily draftable going with late picks , unlike Cooney griffin etc whom were always out of ports reach. Schache spoke out loudly pre draft how excited he was to go to the club his dad played a few games for, 2 years later he seems to want out pretty much asap. What the hell is going on at that club?

I did like one Richmond supporters reaction to a Brisbane post for priority picks. Boo hoo you've only won 3 premierships in 17 years. Did lol.


I've been telling Brisbane supporters for years to nut up and accept the fact their club is shit off field and they shouldnt expect **** all until they fix that. They want to be given on field success in the hope that solves the off field crap. It doesn't work that way.

 

[Steve Dore]

This would be CBA related. Not necessarily the AFLs doing. Driven by the AFLPA. ...

Yes, would be driven by the AFLPA. There is no way that the AFL would push for this as it spells the death of both Brisbane and Gold Coast.

The AFL is spending millions to fund their latest expansion darlings in GWS and Gold Coast so the last thing they would want is for those clubs to be faced with a exodus of all their top players.

 

[OneGreatClub]

Yes, would be driven by the AFLPA. There is no way that the AFL would push for this as it spells the death of both Brisbane and Gold Coast.

The AFL is spending millions to fund their latest expansion darlings in GWS and Gold Coast so the last thing they would want is for those clubs to be faced with a exodus of all their top players.

Perhaps this has been the sticking point all along with the AFL /Player negotiations. It would be hard on those clubs who have trouble retaining players. No wonder Brisbane's Fagan is antsy about this type of stuff.

 

[Andre]

I wouldn't mind the changes so much, if the AFL hadn't watered down veterans allowances. If you could pay players on your list 8 years more (or on any list 8 years if FA went that way), you'd have something to offset the raiders. For non-financial reasons players would still be able to walk, but it'd stop it being losing them all for the money.

 

[Steve Dore]

Perhaps this has been the sticking point all along with the AFL /Player negotiations. It would be hard on those clubs who have trouble retaining players. No wonder Brisbane's Fagan is antsy about this type of stuff.

My understanding is that the main sticking point has been the guaranteed share of total AFL revenue the AFLPA have been seeking for their members. The free agency conditions would have been a side issue.

 

[OneGreatClub]

My understanding is that the main sticking point has been the guaranteed share of total AFL revenue the AFLPA have been seeking for their members. The free agency conditions would have been a side issue.

But a big one at that.

 

[chiwigi]

I couldn't design a better plan to turn our sport into a ******* joke if I tried.


So basically any time you draft a player and he turns into a gun in his fourth year he can walk to any club of his choice?

Any player between the age of say 23 and over you trade for can leave as a free agent when his contract expires. Just paid a first rounder and 2nd rounder for Ryder? Never mind he can leave for free agency compensation at the end of his contract, which would probably be nothing.

It would drop the value right out of trades. No one would want to trade for any players when almost everyone could be had as a free agent , and anyone who can't will be a free agent shortly after you trade for them. Draft picks would never get traded anymore other than late pick swaps.

Wanna get that fav players number on your jumper? Why bother if he is going to leave in a couple of years because that's the way the sport is heading. ******* hell.

It's fair to the players, its up to the clubs to be smart with the contracts now.

 

[chiwigi]

Perhaps this has been the sticking point all along with the AFL /Player negotiations. It would be hard on those clubs who have trouble retaining players. No wonder Brisbane's Fagan is antsy about this type of stuff.

At the same time it allows them to recruit players more easily. This allows them to screen players better so they aren't as likely to leave. Knowing that the contract is the time they have someone will also allow future planning. Unlike now when staying is presumed.

 

[philthy05]

At the same time it allows them to recruit players more easily. This allows them to screen players better so they aren't as likely to leave. Knowing that the contract is the time they have someone will also allow future planning. Unlike now when staying is presumed.

That doesn't make sense

How could you screen players intentions better? You would have no more idea what a player is going to do in 3 years time then they do.

Also , how can you plan for the future better by assuming players are going to leave at the end of every contract?

 

[chiwigi]

That doesn't make sense

How could you screen players intentions better? You would have no more idea what a player is going to do in 3 years time then they do.

Also , how can you plan for the future better by assuming players are going to leave at the end of every contract?

Because instead of drafting a kid and forcing them to come in the hope they stay, you will be recruiting a man and have full negotiation who will commit to a specific contract.
You plan by staggering and negotiating your contracts, you will also know who is coming out of contract and who is interested so you can let someone go, knowing they can be replaced.

You know, like nearly every other sport and business in the world does!

 

[NEGAN]

I think it works both ways.

No more holding onto those high draft pick players in the hope they turn it around.

If the players start pushing the lack of commitment the club's will start to as well.

1 year contracts can become the norm, just as much as 5+ year contract.

 

[chiwigi]

I think it works both ways.

No more holding onto those high draft pick players in the hope they turn it around.

If the players start pushing the lack of commitment the club's will start to as well.

1 year contracts can become the norm, just as much as 5+ year contract.

The clubs drop players all the time and don't renew contracts.
It's only fair it can go both ways.

 

[Macca19]

Four-year free agency - any player earning on or under the median AFL wage would be free to choose a new club after four years of service.

This will be utterly ****ing atrocious if it comes in. How many 4th year players would be in the top 50% money earners?

To put that into context, worst case scenario, you'd potentially lose Impey, DBJ, Clurey, AhChee, Young, Amon at once. Goodbye 2nd stringers. Goodbye depth.

Just want you want. Draft a long term prospect who plays a lot in their 4th year, looks like coming good then they walk for free. Disaster!

 

[Grave Danger]

Nice of the AFL to give the Suns two days longer than us to back up from the China game - must be in recognition of another arduous trek they must make, all the way to Alice Springs this time.

 

[chiwigi]

This will be utterly ******* atrocious if it comes in. How many 4th year players would be in the top 50% money earners?

To put that into context, worst case scenario, you'd potentially lose Impey, DBJ, Clurey, AhChee, Young, Amon at once. Goodbye 2nd stringers. Goodbye depth.

Just want you want. Draft a long term prospect who plays a lot in their 4th year, looks like coming good then they walk for free. Disaster!

Goodbye? Why? Where are they going?

Don't others come the other way?

 

[NEGAN]

The clubs drop players all the time and don't renew contracts.
It's only fair it can go both ways.

The Lobbe situation can easily be avoided, knowing that there is every opportunity another ruck will be available without contract.

Commitment to someone like Lobbe was in fear of not having options if he he left. Ironically we ended up with Charlie and Ryder. I see this new rule streamlining the process of what we currently have.

 

[chiwigi]

I will add to my comments that this is all fine AS LONG AS the hard salary cap remains in place.

 

[Macca19]

Goodbye? Why? Where are they going?

Don't others come the other way?

If they want to come to your club. Can just see someone like Brisbane getting decimated again and not being able to attract anyone up there.

 

[NEGAN]

I will add to my comments that this is all fine AS LONG AS the hard salary cap remains in place.

This

the salary cap is what must remain in place.

I think people are overstating the commitment by club's to players and the players lack of commitment to club's.

 

[chiwigi]

If they want to come to your club. Can just see someone like Brisbane getting decimated again and not being able to attract anyone up there.

They will if you pay right (hence the cap), the flip to this is why should a player be forced to go to a club that will not have their interests at heart? Maybe it will force Brisbane to fix their issues, its not as if Queensland is an unattractive place to live. There must be something else there. If it is the lack of spotlight, then they can focus on players who don't care about that....there are plenty out there.

There are only so many clubs a player can turn down beofre he doesnt have a job offer.

 

[raman]

If they want to come to your club. Can just see someone like Brisbane getting decimated again and not being able to attract anyone up there.

Not seeing the downside yet.

 

[NEGAN]

If they want to come to your club. Can just see someone like Brisbane getting decimated again and not being able to attract anyone up there.

1 club out of 18 tells me that is a club issue.

It wasn't long ago we were seen as that very same club.