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What does he need to do...play like that consistently every week, not every 4th week
21 disposals 10 marks enough for the Otten haters?
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Got any suggestions as a replacement against GWS and the cats in particular
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I'm an Otten fan. He's the Mr Reliable you stick down back and know what you're gonna get every week. He has a footy brain.
He can also go forward in a crisis and he's a terrific kick for goal.
We all know he's slow. He's not in the team for his pace.
He can also go forward in a crisis and he's a terrific kick for goal.
We all know he's slow. He's not in the team for his pace.
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So is he the only player in the team that can't have 1 bad week or he gets dropped? Or does the same rule apply to Sloane , tex, Tahlia? Etc.
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Nope, but 3 in a row for me is the standard to go back and get some form
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I wouldn't worry about the cats, they only have 1 tall fwd anyway. Against the giants, would you play otten on lobb?
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This is Andy's role for as long as Harto is out for, SANFL games included. He's a KPP rather than 3rd tall.
Played a real good game Friday and is definetly suited to defence more than forward. Reads the game better than Kyle too.
Played a real good game Friday and is definetly suited to defence more than forward. Reads the game better than Kyle too.
It's not that he had 1 bad game, it's that he had 3 and is not in our top 4 tall forwards, or our top 3 tall defenders. It's got nothing to do with hating the guy, as you seem so quick to suggest, it's all to do with balance of the side, which runs "tall" at the best of times.
I've been a fan of Otten since before we drafted him and rated him highly as a potential big bodies midfielder prior to knee injuries ruining that chance. I think he's a very handy 3rd tall forward/2nd ruck, and is handy in that loose 3rd tall defender role. However he's shown himself to be vulnerable in a true shut down defensive role and struggles for pace in the forward line to apply the defensive pressure required if he's our 4th tall forward.
At the end of the day he's become a bit of a jack of all trades type that struggles from lacking a specialty, in a side where we have true specialists in his ideal roles. As a result he's always going to be on the fringe of the side and vulnerable to poor form.
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I don't think it was one tall too many, it was one slow tall too many though.
Otten had a great game Friday night, no argument there - his best period was for a good chunk of the latter half of the game when I think he was taking Talia's position while he was off the ground (hopefully just a case of being game managed with the result well in hand) and worked really well with Kelly, Lever, Laird & Brown. Not quite so impressive when Talia was back there too though, and his brief time ahead of centre was not worth mentioning.
I still think he (as others have said here) is best as a utility player to come off the bench and plug into a spot when a tall comes off to maintain structure. It will be interesting to see how he backs up the next week or two against forward opponents who may actually give a crap after half time - the way the Bulldogs dropped their heads and just gave up was a shock, they must have serious mental issues there!
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What it comes down to is this.
Walker is our best CHF, but isn't a defender
Gov is our best 3rd tall, fast, pressure forward.
Jenkins is our best FF and 2nd ruck, not a defender
Lynch is our best workhorse lead up connecting forward. His workrate means he would be wasted in defence.
Hartigan is our strongest stopping defender, but is behind Jenkins and walker as a forward.
Talia is our best key tall backman and playing himforward would be a waste.
Otten isn't as good as walker and Jenkins as key forward. He isn't as fast and able to apply pressure like Gov. He cannot cover the ground like Lynch. He cannot 2nd ruck as well as Jenkins. He would struggle on the Gorillas for strength. He is not as good as Talia in defence.
But Otten is a serviceable option in ANY of these positions when one of these players is out.
If we had to swing either otten, hartigan or Talia forward, it would be otten. If we had to send otten, walker, gov, lynch or Jenkins back, it would be otten. If we had to ruck with talia, walker, gov, otten, or hartigan it would be otten.
He is the 2nd preference in about half the positions on the ground, and the 1st preference in none. And when all the above players are fit, Otten makes us a little too tall and slow. Poor bloke.
Walker is our best CHF, but isn't a defender
Gov is our best 3rd tall, fast, pressure forward.
Jenkins is our best FF and 2nd ruck, not a defender
Lynch is our best workhorse lead up connecting forward. His workrate means he would be wasted in defence.
Hartigan is our strongest stopping defender, but is behind Jenkins and walker as a forward.
Talia is our best key tall backman and playing himforward would be a waste.
Otten isn't as good as walker and Jenkins as key forward. He isn't as fast and able to apply pressure like Gov. He cannot cover the ground like Lynch. He cannot 2nd ruck as well as Jenkins. He would struggle on the Gorillas for strength. He is not as good as Talia in defence.
But Otten is a serviceable option in ANY of these positions when one of these players is out.
If we had to swing either otten, hartigan or Talia forward, it would be otten. If we had to send otten, walker, gov, lynch or Jenkins back, it would be otten. If we had to ruck with talia, walker, gov, otten, or hartigan it would be otten.
He is the 2nd preference in about half the positions on the ground, and the 1st preference in none. And when all the above players are fit, Otten makes us a little too tall and slow. Poor bloke.
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A bigger deal out west.
Not really, it's more a subtle potshot then anything else.
I don't agree Otten does, as really I don't see him holding up against the quality big 2nd forwards due to being small for a KP player; nor being able to replace Lever if he stays. He is quite lucky Hartigan has struggled a tad in the last 2 months, but even then Hartigans true value is in being a cheap big body to compliment and to free up Lever.
Otten is a player we are very fortunate to have seeing he's a competent utility player if injuries strike on either side of the ground, but he's a permanent stop gap.
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
Difference here is you live with a bad patch fron them as they aren't replacable. Otten however is replacable component of a team and therefore needs to be playing well to survive.
otten, drafted as a midfielder who came through as a 3rd tall, after numerous bad injuries has found a role as a utility. his best role is a bandage for any leaks the team has. no one doubts his contribution this year, but he is not best 22 if everyone was fit simply because of team balance. since harto will be out for at least another month, his spot on the team is safe... remember the uproar when he was resigned last year LOL.
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
Correct because he is our cover. When Hartigan is match fit, Otten will get dropped until the next player gets injured.
Probably the perfect depth player for a contender actually.
He was resigned as depth
We still arent out of the woods either imagine if
JJ, Tex , Talia goes down or harto struggles to overcome his hammy, he is clearly the best replacement for those 4. However if he shows plenty in the next 4 or 5 weeks he may take Harto's spot, the ball is in his court
In general terms you are right, but this could change lets be honest Harto was struggling, if Otten comes out plays three blinders like he did on friday and against Geelong in particular will the landscape change on Harto v otten
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
I'd give him a very low chance of doing so due to the amount of value Hartigan gives us with match ups, and that Otten has a very similar set of weaknesses to Talia/Lever.
ps he is not as slow as he looks
pps he has a high footy IQ (higher than Hartigan, Talia or Jenkins IMO) which helps to compensate for any lack of pace
pps he has a high footy IQ (higher than Hartigan, Talia or Jenkins IMO) which helps to compensate for any lack of pace
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
Geelong maybe as they go a more mobile 2nd forward which an Otten would be more comfortable against then Hartigan if we decide to go Talia v Hawkins (though I'd be more comfortable with a Hartigan v Hawkins matchup).
GWS it doesn't seeing their perchance for the very strong forwards.
Really though I'd like us to rotate both depending on matchups (similar to specialist pitchers in baseball) but equally I doubt AFL is ready for that.
Golumless
A bigger deal out west.
You do underrate Talia footy IQ, but definitely higher then the other two.
Footy IQ is a valuable weapon against those who rely on separation to beat you.
