I understand the concept of conceding the ruck contests, particularly when Bev has been quoted as saying he doesn't value them that highly and when we play Bont or Jong there in the past but are you saying Rough deliberately or was instructed to play in a way that allowed Kreuzer to win more taps?We were happy to let Kreuzer have 50 hitouts, because we still won the clearance battle overall. Roughy could still compete with Kreuzer but is fundamentally a weaker and lower quality tap ruckman, so he likely would have been beaten anyway. So he played in such a way that meant that Kreuzer still won plenty of taps, but gave us a better chance of winning, in part by winning more clearances and limiting the quality of Carlton's clearances.