Resource 2017 AFL and AFLW Crowds and Ratings

[Rabman]

True.. Issue for EFC is a 'sellout' at Ethihad means 41-42,000 as we sell so many season seats. AFL standard is approx 60% member show rate to home games so there's a working capacity for Essendon next week if low 40's. It's been the case for the last 5/6 years as the club sells more season seats.

Essendon Adelaide next week should get 40k at least

 

[Great8]

Essendon Adelaide next week should get 40k at least

Would be disappointed if it wasn't mid 40's although plenty of Bombers fans are expecting a blowout which might keep a few away

 

[Crawb]

Last time GWS and Melbourne played in Canberra (2015) they got 8K at the start of the year in warmer conditions. 14K yesterday.

5 out of the last 7 games at Manuka have gone 13K + (the only two that didn't were both Port games).

All parties will be happy. Winning games, good crowds, good value.

 

[dave10]

Would be disappointed if it wasn't mid 40's although plenty of Bombers fans are expecting a blowout which might keep a few away

Essendon home games can't fit mid 40's. Highest over the last 4 years us about 43K for home games.

 

[Great8]

Essendon home games can't fit mid 40's. Highest over the last 4 years us about 43K for home games.

Over 44k against Melbourne wasn't it?
I'm probably being a bit ambitious though but I'll say 42k as the Crows fans travel well and I know a heap here in Adelaide that are travelling over

 

[manicmagpie]

The Melbourne game earlier this year at Ethihad as an example drew a 'good' crowd of 40,400 but almost always draws 50-55,000 at the G. There's 10,000 impact right there.

That game actually drew 44k at Docklands when your average against Melbourne at the G since Docklands opened is only 47k. So more like 3k impact, which is consistent with all available data for when Essendon plays the same teams at Docklands and the MCG.

 

[MattF185]

That game actually drew 44k at Docklands when your average against Melbourne at the G since Docklands opened is only 47k. So more like 3k impact, which is consistent with all available data for when Essendon plays the same teams at Docklands and the MCG.

I disagree with that comment a little bit. Essendon over the past 10 years or so have played quite a few home matches against Hawthorn at Etihad and has only been able to draw 45,000 on average. Round 1 this season drew 78,000 at the MCG, which is 30,000 more than what Etihad wouldve achieved.

 

[dave10]

That game actually drew 44k at Docklands when your average against Melbourne at the G since Docklands opened is only 47k. So more like 3k impact, which is consistent with all available data for when Essendon plays the same teams at Docklands and the MCG.

No it didn't. It drew 40,400.

 

[Tassieboy]

No it didn't. It drew 40,400.

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2017/6/ess-v-melb

44,040

 

[dave10]

That game actually drew 44k at Docklands when your average against Melbourne at the G since Docklands opened is only 47k. So more like 3k impact, which is consistent with all available data for when Essendon plays the same teams at Docklands and the MCG.

The game earlier this year was on a fine day early in the year and with Melbourne going much better than many of the games that would've brought your average down. It would've definitely drawn over 50,000 at the MCG.

 

[dave10]

http://www.afl.com.au/match-centre/2017/6/ess-v-melb

44,040

I stand corrected!!!! That was a sellout so 44K is about as I as we can draw, without MCC members turning up that is

 

[Tassieboy]

What is going on with St Kilda crowds this season? They are universally considered the biggest of the 4 smallest Melbourne clubs. Yet, despite being mid-table all season they've drawn very poorly against interstate sides...

23,097 (Brisbane)
21,160 (GWS)
29,778 (Sydney)
16,844 (Gold Coast)
22,688 today (West Coast)

 

[manicmagpie]

I disagree with that comment a little bit. Essendon over the past 10 years or so have played quite a few home matches against Hawthorn at Etihad and has only been able to draw 45,000 on average. Round 1 this season drew 78,000 at the MCG, which is 30,000 more than what Etihad wouldve achieved.

Sure, a special occasion got a great crowd early this year, and the fact that it was known it was going to be a good crowd is exactly why it was scheduled at the G to begin with. But it's easy to forget the glut of ordinary crowds in the 40s the two teams got at the G throughout the 2000s, even when both teams were doing well. The first game played after the epic Prelim in 2001 for instance only drew 40k, and it took until 2009 and the 10th game at the G that decade for the two teams to draw a crowd that even exceeded Docklands' capacity.

The same thing happens with most of the other teams where you can actually compare the crowds at both venues. The averages don't differ to the extent you might think.

 

[manicmagpie]

22,688 for St Kilda/West Coast. Didn't think it would fall below Collingwood's game against WC two weeks ago.

 

[dave10]

Sure, a special occasion got a great crowd early this year, and the fact that it was known it was going to be a good crowd is exactly why it was scheduled at the G to begin with. But it's easy to forget the glut of ordinary crowds in the 40s the two teams got at the G throughout the 2000s, even when both teams were doing well. The first game played after the epic Prelim in 2001 for instance only drew 40k, and it took until 2009 and the 10th game at the G that decade for the two teams to draw a crowd that even exceeded Docklands' capacity.

The same thing happens with most of the other teams where you can actually compare the crowds at both venues. The averages don't differ to the extent you might think.

I think your being a bit selective around this. There have been countless examples of huge games involving Essendon home games being played at Ethihad that would've drawn much larger crowds at the MCG. There are probably at least 8-10 Hawks / Cats games for a start. Probably nearly as many against the Lions / Eagles / Swans combined over the last 15 years.

Essendon / Hawthorn has always been impacted by scheduling quirks. For whatever reason both clubs have rarely locked horns at the MCG in a genuinely meaningful match up. Last time they did was in 2009 and 78,000 turned up. All other big match ups were at Ethihad. Several encounters drew high 40's / low 50's at Ethihad as prime examples of would be big crowds down the road.

As a comparison to the Pies MCG fixture this year for example, probably seen 10,000 'miss' V Melbourne, 10,000 V Bulldogs and probably 5,000+ will miss this weeks game against the Crows.

In reasonable years it most likely means EFC start 25-50K behind the true MCG remnant clubs annually. Thats a significant hand behind your back if that makes sense.

 

[dave10]

22,688 for St Kilda/West Coast. Didn't think it would fall below Collingwood's game against WC two weeks ago.

Both fixtures greatly impacted by poor weather. Probably 3-4,000 stated home as a result.

 

[manicmagpie]

I think your being a bit selective around this. There have been countless examples of huge games involving Essendon home games being played at Ethihad that would've drawn much larger crowds at the MCG. There are probably at least 8-10 Hawks / Cats games for a start. Probably nearly as many against the Lions / Eagles / Swans combined over the last 15 years.

Essendon / Hawthorn has always been impacted by scheduling quirks. For whatever reason both clubs have rarely locked horns at the MCG in a genuinely meaningful match up. Last time they did was in 2009 and 78,000 turned up. All other big match ups were at Ethihad. Several encounters drew high 40's / low 50's at Ethihad as prime examples of would be big crowds down the road.

As a comparison to the Pies MCG fixture this year for example, probably seen 10,000 'miss' V Melbourne, 10,000 V Bulldogs and probably 5,000+ will miss this weeks game against the Crows.

In reasonable years it most likely means EFC start 25-50K behind the true MCG remnant clubs annually. Thats a significant hand behind your back if that makes sense.

There's nothing selective about it, I'm looking at literally every game Essendon has played at both Docklands and the MCG in the same time period and finding that the averages don't differ by as much as people often state. It's all very well to hypothesize massive increases but it's not backed up with objective results, is all I'm saying.

The AFL still ensure that 90% of your potential big drawing matches are played at the G. So far this decade you've only had 7 home games against clubs bigger than Melbourne at Docklands. And against Melbourne you've only had 5 crowds in over 50 years that couldn't have fit in to Docklands, so you can hardly blame the AFL for scheduling you at the smaller ground.

 

[manicmagpie]

58,342 at the G for Richmond/Hawthorn. Almost exactly the crowd from Saturday.

 

[manicmagpie]

Looks like the worst Showdown crowd at the Adelaide Oval by nearly 5k.

 

[sverik25]

What is going on with St Kilda crowds this season? They are universally considered the biggest of the 4 smallest Melbourne clubs. Yet, despite being mid-table all season they've drawn very poorly against interstate sides...

23,097 (Brisbane)
21,160 (GWS)
29,778 (Sydney)
16,844 (Gold Coast)
22,688 today (West Coast)

In better weather today probably would have gotten 24-25,000, not great but would have looked a lot better.

Excluding today for that reason, don't know why our crowds have been so average this year.

 

[Tassieboy]

Shattered in the shit day today, possibly 70000 turns into about 50000 id reckon. Being locked out at the cattery and with Freo on the well down, I can see the bombers maybe piping us for best attended of the year


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Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond will all finish very close to one another. At a rough estimate...

Richmond:

• Geelong (33k)
• Fremantle (35k)
• St Kilda (60k)

Total: 1.17 million

Essendon:

• Adelaide (40k)
• Gold Coast (16k)
• Fremantle (35k)

Total: 1.13 million.

Collingwood:

• Port Adelaide (45k)
• Geelong (50k)
• Melbourne (50k)

Total: 1.12 million.

For Richmond, the Geelong and Fremantle games don't have much scope for variability. I really don't know what to expect for St Kilda. They could get 70k, but I think 60k is a more reasonable estimate.

For Essendon, the Adelaide and Gold Coast matches also don't have much scope for variability; however, the final game against Fremantle could be anything. It'll struggle to reach 25k if Essendon lose to both Adelaide and Gold Coast, but could clear 40k if they win one of those matches.

For Collingwood, I am really guessing. Port Adelaide should draw one of their better crowds considering Collingwood is a crowd pull for most interstate sides. However, I have no idea for the Geelong and Melbourne matches. Whilst Collingwood is out of finals contention they are playing OK and Geelong and Melbourne are both there abouts. These games could draw more, or they could draw less.

 

[dave10]

Collingwood, Essendon and Richmond will all finish very close to one another. At a rough estimate...

Richmond:

• Geelong (33k)
• Fremantle (35k)
• St Kilda (60k)

Total: 1.17 million

Essendon:

• Adelaide (40k)
• Gold Coast (16k)
• Fremantle (35k)

Total: 1.13 million.

Collingwood:

• Port Adelaide (45k)
• Geelong (50k)
• Melbourne (50k)

Total: 1.12 million.

For Richmond, the Geelong and Fremantle games don't have much scope for variability. I really don't know what to expect for St Kilda. They could get 70k, but I think 60k is a more reasonable estimate.

For Essendon, the Adelaide and Gold Coast matches also don't have much scope for variability; however, the final game against Fremantle could be anything. It'll struggle to reach 25k if Essendon lose to both Adelaide and Gold Coast, but could clear 40k if they win one of those matches.

For Collingwood, I am really guessing. Port Adelaide should draw one of their better crowds considering Collingwood is a crowd pull for most interstate sides. However, I have no idea for the Geelong and Melbourne matches. Whilst Collingwood is out of finals contention they are playing OK and Geelong and Melbourne are both there abouts. These games could draw more, or they could draw less.

Spot on. What an amazing year and finish at the top end. I still think the Pies, just ahead if Richmobd then Essendon. Around 10,000 separating them. A few of my thoughts:
Essendon - IF they best the Crows and Suns there will be 40,000 at the last home game and will likely finish 1st. This is less likely outcome.
Richmobd - Will need 65,000 against the Saints to deliver top spot. It needs the Saints to keep winning it the 'Roo' retirement to get the extra 10-15,000 to the match
Collingwood - the Powers effort today won't help their efforts to get 45,000 next week. I think they will need around 60,000 and plenty of Dees fans craving a top 8 finish to do this

Overall great crowds and in a modern competition with expansion clubs, to get 3 clubs over 1 Million is a good effort.

Special mentions to Melbourne, Hawthorn and Carlton who for various reasons I think are also having a strong year in attendances.

 

[Rabman]

Looks like the worst Showdown crowd at the Adelaide Oval by nearly 5k.

Weather was appalling, the worst weather i ever experienced at a game of footy, 45,028 is amazing considering the appalling conditions. the rain was literally coming down sideways.

 

[gopies1981]

no a winning Essendon or winning Richmond can easily be bigger! aside from the Eddie attempts to keep the pies relevant in the media by whoring them out at every opportunity possible factor

since 2000 the pies have played in 4 grand finals won 1, been a top 4 side for a good part of the last 17 years been in the finals playing all home games at the MCG
ill let the Richmond fans speak for the tigers but for a team that has been shite for 30 plus years their popularity speaks for it self

Essendon has done nothing since 2001 except the last 5 years been involved in the biggest cheating/ drug saga in AUstralian sporting history, they play out of etihad where its known it will draw 5 to 10 k less than MCG games, we have had several game this season classed as sell outs eg like last week 48k against the bulldogs & they are not even in the 8 and sit on top of the crowd attendance ladder & they won the spoon last year!

how much further ahead would Essendon be if they were top 4 or even with a bit of success & played all home games at the MCG like the pies and tigers do!

btw if you look at merchandise sales the club it in the top 3 or 4 every year as well

Hmmm has Essendon ever drawn more people through the turnstiles when both teams have been in the finals?? No

Essendon have only ever outdrawn Collingwood when Essendon have played in finals.

When both teams have missed finals then Collingwood has always finished above Essendon.

Collingwood is still the biggest club in town look at the crowds in 2010 1,306,000 fans and in 2011 1,246,000 fans which will never be broken din afl history. This year Essendon are only 45,000 in front of Collingwood and Essendon are looking and playing finals. And before you say Essendon play at Etihad the only home game with would of effected your crowds would of been the Melbourne game in with you would of got 54,000 in stead of 44,000.

Same could be said of Collingwood's home games against st.kilda and west coast as those games would of Drawn an extra 10,00 per game as everyone knows Collingwood fans hate Etihad.

Look at attendances since 1990 when both teams have made the finals;

1990, 2002, 2003, 2011 Collingwood have our drawn Essendon by between 5-7,000 per game.

 

[wagstaff]

No way Port/Pies will get 45k next week. Port Adelaide haven't even reached 40k in their last 6 home games this year. And tonight's demoralising result will hurt next week's crowd significantly imo.