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We have 13 of these buggers and our last spoon was 1972. I must admit I would rather not add to that list. Any top four or five pick should be a star. But do we have the quality in our recruitment department to get the pick right if we don't trade it for Kelly? Thats the real question. Our clubs ability to evaluate talent no matter what the pick.
That 2000 team should have won 10 Flags.
Under achievers.
Plus tbe unexpected gift from last years draft ...some kid called Simpkin
#1 pick has netted next to nothing when it comes to premiership chances historically. You'd be fools to delude yourself into thinking North are the exception - it's the same kind of blind optimism that colours every off-season trade speculation ("we'll get two first rounders for a player barely in our best 22, then pick up another team's best player with our second and fourth round picks - then we'll be unstoppable next year!"), and to be honest it's pretty damn pathetic to see "supporters" stooping as low as some have this season in coveting the spoon. Leave that kind of nonsense to followers of failed sides who've not won finals for a decade or more.
Eight years ago, the last time we were definitely not finals-bound two rounds out from the end of the H&A season, there were some on here who delighted in the idea that we'd get smashed by St. Kilda and potentially secure ourselves a higher pick - instead we had our best win for the season. Dreaming up fantasy hypotheticals where our present failures are somehow necessary catalysts to our future successes is utterly puerile, and feeling "conflicted" or "disappointed" if we win because of those fantasies is even more so. Here's to hoping history repeats and we can galvanise our team further with some quality wins late in the season, the way Carlton look to have done for themselves tonight.
Think it's mostly trying to find a silver lining to a 5 win season. With little to sell in terms of results we turn to good old fashioned hope.
Don't think a person here would wish failure on the club.
But as sad as it is true HOPE is all we have to turn to right now.
This is the best post of the thread IMO#1 pick has netted next to nothing when it comes to premiership chances historically. You'd be fools to delude yourself into thinking North are the exception - it's the same kind of blind optimism that colours every off-season trade speculation ("we'll get two first rounders for a player barely in our best 22, then pick up another team's best player with our second and fourth round picks - then we'll be unstoppable next year!"), and to be honest it's pretty damn pathetic to see "supporters" stooping as low as some have this season in coveting the spoon. Leave that kind of nonsense to followers of failed sides who've not won finals for a decade or more.
Eight years ago, the last time we were definitely not finals-bound two rounds out from the end of the H&A season, there were some on here who delighted in the idea that we'd get smashed by St. Kilda and potentially secure ourselves a higher pick - instead we had our best win for the season. Dreaming up fantasy hypotheticals where our present failures are somehow necessary catalysts to our future successes is utterly puerile, and feeling "conflicted" or "disappointed" if we win because of those fantasies is even more so. Here's to hoping history repeats and we can galvanise our team further with some quality wins late in the season, the way Carlton look to have done for themselves tonight.
We have 13 of these buggers and our last spoon was 1972. I must admit I would rather not add to that list. Any top four or five pick should be a star. But do we have the quality in our recruitment department to get the pick right if we don't trade it for Kelly? Thats the real question. Our clubs ability to evaluate talent no matter what the pick.
Nothing to gain?We have nothing to gain by winning.
Context isn't your strong suit is it?I've changed my mind, let's win the next 3 wooden spoons get 3 first picks and viola we become as dominant as Carlton have been.
That's the thing if we have the #1 draft pick I doubt we will have to give up anything else for Kelly but if we have the #4 pick then we'd be looking at at least a second round or a future first rounder.Nothing to gain?
WTF?
How about these things? Development of our club culture, a winning culture, of the shinboner spirit.
If Kelly nominates us, IF he decides to leave then we will have to give up our first rounder and then some.
Delusions of getting him the PSD are just fantasies.
Giving our first rounder for Kelly is a no brainier for me. He's a Gun, he's total Silk! And IMO will be the best player in the comp by the time he hits 25!!!!
So given we will have to trade our first pick any ways what does it matter if it's pick 4?
I would rather win today, continue to develop our team and culture then lose to potentially receive the number 1 pick we will need to trade any ways.
Well it does matter. There is a sizeable difference between the value of pick 1 and pick 4 on the trade table.Nothing to gain?
WTF?
How about these things? Development of our club culture, a winning culture, of the shinboner spirit.
If Kelly nominates us, IF he decides to leave then we will have to give up our first rounder and then some.
Delusions of getting him the PSD are just fantasies.
Giving our first rounder for Kelly is a no brainier for me. He's a Gun, he's total Silk! And IMO will be the best player in the comp by the time he hits 25!!!!
So given we will have to trade our first pick any ways what does it matter if it's pick 4?
I would rather win today, continue to develop our team and culture then lose to potentially receive the number 1 pick we will need to trade any ways.
- Team
- Individual
- 2× Norm Smith Medal: 2008, 2014
- 3× All-Australian: 2005, 2008, 2010 (C)
- 2× Peter Crimmins Medal (Hawthorn F.C. B&F): 2005, 2010
- 3× Australian Representative Honours in International Rules Football: 2005, 2014, 2015
- AFL Rising Star Nominee: 2002
- Hawthorn F.C. Captain: 2011–2016
- Hawthorn best clubman: 2013
- AFLPA Best Captain Award: 2014
- Jim Stynes medallist: 2014
A win and we could go from pick 1 to pick 5. Looking at what McGrath has done at ess and I would like 1. Also Weitering the year before has been incredible.Pick 1 is so overrated.
Anyone thinking the spoon and / or tanking is good for us and posting garbage on the dusty / Kelly threads is a walking contradiction.
How can we expect to be taken seriously as a club when we cheer coming last in the competition.
Big signings will baulk at us if we don't show anything in these last two games - and deservedly so.
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Let's say we lose the next two, our yr has been nothing but a success. Blooded 12 with more additions and return. So we have a group of 18 players all young and starting and growing together. Success comes from gelling a core group together. Think back on our past success. While the Carey's and Mckernnans were the match winners they others like Crocker, Andersen, Scott, Blakey, archer, Martin were the backbones. So we should just focus on the superstars, it the backbone players we need to establish first.
Think it's mostly trying to find a silver lining to a 5 win season. With little to sell in terms of results we turn to good old fashioned hope.
Don't think a person here would wish failure on the club.
But as sad as it is true HOPE is all we have to turn to right now.
I agree Devington (quoted from non-North FOOTY DISCUSSION thread). The spoon doesn't have the stigma it once did, for those to whom this still matters. I've reflected on my own feelings about it, and the pride I used to feel about not winning one for 40 years, I realise, is futile and meaningless.Not much shame in the spoon this year. Will have the most wins of any wooden spoon team in nearly 20 years (or if the bizarre happens, ever).
Well, not much shame if we win it. The other three contenders have been down the bottom for a long time. Fair bit of shame attached to it for them.
No, you won't.If Kelly nominates us, IF he decides to leave then we will have to give up our first rounder and then some.
Since 2000 the only number 1 draft picks with premierships are Tom Boyd and Luke Hodge.Is that Jack Watts or Tom Boyd's resume?
Thats Hodge who is a super player and has the best credentials of any pick 1. But you could put up a similar list for Judd(3), Bartel(8), Johnson(24), Mitchell(36), Ablett(40) who were all in the same draft. Pick 1 wont be our savior.
- Team
- Individual
- 2× Norm Smith Medal: 2008, 2014
- 3× All-Australian: 2005, 2008, 2010 (C)
- 2× Peter Crimmins Medal (Hawthorn F.C. B&F): 2005, 2010
- 3× Australian Representative Honours in International Rules Football: 2005, 2014, 2015
- AFL Rising Star Nominee: 2002
- Hawthorn F.C. Captain: 2011–2016
- Hawthorn best clubman: 2013
- AFLPA Best Captain Award: 2014
- Jim Stynes medallist: 2014