Opinion Chris Scott's coaching - PART III

[David the Cat]

Don't get me wrong, he plays well on Riewoldt
I thought he did a great job on Friday night, I just suspect personally Taylor could've also done it

Fair enough....Taylor didn't do much at the other end.

 

[calder_daddy]

Fair enough....Taylor didn't do much at the other end.

That he did not

 

[Sticksman]

Would have been going off this article judging our team in finals from 2012-17 with some sort of ranking points. Not sure what the points represent but it's pretty damning and somewhat accurate when most of the team measure up far better in the H&A than they do in the finals. Selwood and Tuohy and the only two players whose ratings improve come finals, and two of Tuohy's three finals were played as a Blue.

Wouldn't the difference in points be expected seeing as the average quality of opponents in finals is higher that during the H&A when all of the easy beats are included? I'm thinking that all finalists would see such a disparity between finals and the regular season. I'm not trying to gloss over anything here. It just looks very unscientific unless the point was to highlight that in finals you meet tougher opponents though I'm sure that wasn't where they (the journalist) was coming from. Looks like just another concocted BS story. If I'm missing something then I'm happy to have it pointed out to me.

 

[krisholio14]

are you saying the FB rumour has legs and aint so much rumour in reality of the night on the turps?

Go Catters

Yes, I believe there is substance to the rumour.

 

[kickazz]

Would have been going off this article judging our team in finals from 2012-17 with some sort of ranking points. Not sure what the points represent but it's pretty damning and somewhat accurate when most of the team measure up far better in the H&A than they do in the finals. Selwood and Tuohy and the only two players whose ratings improve come finals, and two of Tuohy's three finals were played as a Blue.

Meh when you are 2 wins 7 losses those numbers don't really raise any eyebrows.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

Scotty has his faults, no doubt, but he's not the problem with the team, it's the list. It's a group of players who consistently go missing in the games that count. That's what's letting the side down. These players need to be moved on to other clubs while they still have some value. It's time to rebuild the list. It might just require some savvy trading to get some of these players out of the club, I'm not talking about a full blown rebuild here. But this list, as it stands now, will never win a flag. Not even Clarko could do any better with this list.

Oh what a load of crap. He's been the coach for 7 years now. It's his job to train the list up and pick a 22 that can perform come finals time. This is on him. Simple as that.

 

[volcboy]

Whatever "tricksy" gimmicks or unnatural structures are going on at the club Simon Lloyd has had nothing to do with it. He has been at the club one year and has no role within the playing group.

He's the director of coaching who worked with Chris Scott at Fremantle and then Ross Lyon for many years? And has nothing to do with any tactical aspects of the team, or selection? Ok then...

 

[mcwilrob]

I don't know how anyone can seriously compare our list now with our list 2007-11.

We have two brilliant midfielders and one excellent one. A few others run hot and cold.

We have one key forward who still lacks confidence after all these years and an exciting mid-size forward who they chose not to play because he lacks defensive abilities.

Our defence is generally fine but has ageing champions and young players still learning the game.

Doesn't excuse Scott from his mistakes, but gee, it's not as if we have a team of superstars.

Not really the point - this team finished second from H & A and then proceeds to seriously underperform when it really counts (finals).

 

[cats251]

Oh what a load of crap. He's been the coach for 7 years now. It's his job to train the list up and pick a 22 that can perform come finals time. This is on him. Simple as that.

Yep, can't imagine Alaister Clarkson at the helm for the Cats putting out that crap on a consistent basis.

 

[Stan The Caddy]

He's the director of coaching who worked with Chris Scott at Fremantle and then Ross Lyon for many years? And has nothing to do with any tactical aspects of the team, or selection? Ok then...

Yeah, of course he does.

 

[Vdubs]

Not really the point - this team finished second from H & A and then proceeds to seriously underperform when it really counts (finals).

Wrong- we performed as expected with the overachieving list we have.
I did not see a team go out there and not try.
They played to their capacity as they were allowed.
Tigers choked any confidence out of us and their manic pressure was just too much.

 

[TEDDY24INC]

Yes, I believe there is substance to the rumour.

And why is that?

 

[BUSTER29]

Wrong- we performed as expected with the overachieving list we have.
I did not see a team go out there and not try.
They played to their capacity as they were allowed.
Tigers choked any confidence out of us and their manic pressure was just too much.

You're kidding right?
Tigers are a 51 point better side than Geelong?
I guess you would have cleaned up on the Tigers by +39 points then.
Maybe share the tips next time

 

[Spazz Cat]

Would have been going off this article judging our team in finals from 2012-17 with some sort of ranking points. Not sure what the points represent but it's pretty damning and somewhat accurate when most of the team measure up far better in the H&A than they do in the finals. Selwood and Tuohy and the only two players whose ratings improve come finals, and two of Tuohy's three finals were played as a Blue.

Some of this rings true.
Has got me absolutely ****ed how we keep picking Mackie for finals. He's actually been far worse than even these stats show.
How he escaped scrutiny after last years prelim or was even allowed to play for us again is beyond me.
He put in a couple of efforts against Collingwood a few weeks ago that were worse than anything that Motlop has ever done and yet we keep playing him!!!
No wonder we've got problems.
I remember a final that Selwood played against the Hawks in 14.
Literally kept us in it on his own for a half.
Was a one man team and probably the best individual performance for a half I've ever seen.

 

[Vdubs]

I am going to be blunt. Chris Scott and Matthew Knights have failed to educate the Geelong playing list the right playing method (winning the 1 on 1 contests and making good decisions on the field) that wins games in September. Our finals record since the 2011 Grand Final is disgusting because we have finished in the top 4 (2012, 2013, 2014, 2016 and 2017) without making the Grand Final and winning the big one whilst the window is open. If you don't educate and teach the playing list the right process that stands up in the September cauldron, you will finish 2nd to 5th every year when the side on paper has the ability and talent to wind the Grand Final.

Disagree with the final comment.
We have a commendable ability to make top 4/top 8, but we do no not have the ability/talent to make or win a GF.
It takes 22 players and we have a very good core of about 5 players, namely, Danger, J Selwood, Taylor, Hawkins, Duncan;
the next tier includes recent imports Tuohy, SS, Hendo, Smith and Mackie/Lonergan;
then Blicavs
then some improvers in Bews, Stewart.
then our kids and strugglers
Many outsiders looked at our team during the National Anthem and said how did this mob finish second?

 

[Vdubs]

You're kidding right?
Tigers are a 51 point better side than Geelong?
I guess you would have cleaned up on the Tigers by +39 points then.
Maybe share the tips next time

The last quarter blow out was un Geelong like, but the loss was totally predictable

 

[Spazz Cat]

Disagree with the final comment.
We have a commendable ability to make top 4/top 8, but we do no not have the ability/talent to make or win a GF.
It takes 22 players and we have a very good core of about 5 players, namely, Danger, J Selwood, Taylor, Hawkins, Duncan;
the next tier includes recent imports Tuohy, SS, Hendo, Smith and Mackie/Lonergan;
then Blicavs
then some improvers in Bews, Stewart.
then our kids and strugglers
Many outsiders looked at our team during the National Anthem and said how did this mob finish second?

I think we are at least equal with Richmond on paper but they are up and about and really ferocious.
Sydney are like us a lot of top end talent and a lot of rookies and low picks. Their rookies have really come on though. Even depth recruits like Sinclair are firing.
All those injuries at the start of the year actually ended up improving their team.
I think we are worse on paper than Adelaide and definitely worse than GWS.

 

[krisholio14]

And why is that?

I put the feelers out when I heard, got the nod from someone who's always on the money with this stuff.

Aside from that, it makes the initial omission, and Scott's cumbersome attempt to justify it after the match, a little easier to understand.

 

[fpm84]

I put the feelers out when I heard, got the nod from someone who's always on the money with this stuff.

Aside from that, it makes the initial omission, and Scott's cumbersome attempt to justify it after the match, a little easier to understand.

I really hope the Menzel rumour is true because, as you say, it would make everything easier to understand.

But it doesn't wash - the club has faced considerable criticism for 'omitting' him.

Surely if he was dropped for something disciplinary, and the club didn't want to go public with it, they'd at least cover things up with him missing through 'soreness.'

 

[krisholio14]

I really hope the Menzel rumour is true because, as you say, it would make everything easier to understand.

But it doesn't wash - the club has faced considerable criticism for 'omitting' him.

Surely if he was dropped for something disciplinary, and the club didn't want to go public with it, they'd at least cover things up with him missing through 'soreness.'

I would say there's a good chance we don't want to scare off offers from other clubs.

 

[feelinfeline]

Sydney are like us a lot of top end talent and a lot of rookies and low picks. Their rookies have really come on though. Even depth recruits like Sinclair are firing.
All those injuries at the start of the year actually ended up improving their team.
I think we are worse on paper than Adelaide and definitely worse than GWS.

Sydney has had the benefit of two players from their academy who would have been top 10 picks, if not top 5: Heeney and Mills.

Their midfield is miles deeper than ours: Kennedy, Hannebery, Parker, Jack. Throw in Heeney and Jones, who can go through there. I'm sure there are others. And let's not forget Buddy.

Yes, they have some rookies, who they've developed really well, but they've got a better balanced list than us.

 

[Vdubs]

I think we are at least equal with Richmond on paper but they are up and about and really ferocious.
Sydney are like us a lot of top end talent and a lot of rookies and low picks. Their rookies have really come on though. Even depth recruits like Sinclair are firing.
All those injuries at the start of the year actually ended up improving their team.
I think we are worse on paper than Adelaide and definitely worse than GWS.

I think Pies/Bombers lists are better than ours.
Our list is better than Hawks, Freo, and NM.
What does it matter- we have what we have, and have a second chance.
I wonder if our MC is as convinced as our supporters that we are gone- I mean, I wonder what they seriously and inwardly feel and believe

 

[Vdubs]

Yep, can't imagine Alaister Clarkson at the helm for the Cats putting out that crap on a consistent basis.

so why has he struggled to beat us 4x these past 2 years at the G every time?

 

[David the Cat]

I think Pies/Bombers lists are better than ours.
Our list is better than Hawks, Freo, and NM.
What does it matter- we have what we have, and have a second chance.
I wonder if our MC is as convinced as our supporters that we are gone- I mean, I wonder what they seriously and inwardly feel and believe

They will expect a response...and believe they can win...the players will be counseled accordingly...

I expect a spirited performance from Geelong.

 

[And_ROOS]

I think Pies/Bombers lists are better than ours.
Our list is better than Hawks, Freo, and NM.
What does it matter- we have what we have, and have a second chance.
I wonder if our MC is as convinced as our supporters that we are gone- I mean, I wonder what they seriously and inwardly feel and believe

If thats the case throw the magnets around and tell everyone to play man on man and none of this zonal garbage. What do we have to lose?